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This might be the wrong thread to ask, but how come WWE doesn't make more use of Japanese talent? They seem to put a lot of stock in wrestlers who have experience in Japan, but not Japanese stars themselves. And that picture of Morishima and Vince shaking hands is going into the same folder as Vince shaking Bret's hand from a couple of years back. Surreal.
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Because they won't get over to the American audience and they aren't many that are "larger than life."
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Aug 19, 2008 06:46
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I guess that makes sense, even a monster like Morishima is only roughly average height for WWE.
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Aug 19, 2008 06:49
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Jerusalem posted:I guess that makes sense, even a monster like Morishima is only roughly average height for WWE. Looking at that one photo where he's shaking hands with Cena, and unless Cena is percieved to be tiny, I can't really see Morishima being average. On a side note, who was that other Japanese dude standing next to Harley Race in this picture? http://www.noah-usa.cc/8%2018%2008%20wwe91news.JPG
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Aug 19, 2008 17:39
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The other guy is some nameless NOAH stooge, probably there as an interpreter. I'm fairly sure it isn't their Hawaii office guy who had helped out on other NOAH-in-the-US events.
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Aug 19, 2008 18:05
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The site says it's Ryu Nakada
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Aug 19, 2008 18:08
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He's the top non-wrestler NOAH guy, and word has it he's the main reason why Kawada won't be let back into NOAH so 
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Aug 19, 2008 19:27
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I'm going to be in Japan (Tokyo area) from 9/9 to 9/18. How can I find out what shows are going on in the area at that time, and which shows should I try to see? I don't speak or read the language, by the way.
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Aug 21, 2008 03:57
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HHHH posted:I'm going to be in Japan (Tokyo area) from 9/9 to 9/18. How can I find out what shows are going on in the area at that time, and which shows should I try to see? I don't speak or read the language, by the way. ...no go. Hey, google has one of thems! And it works! I can guide you to any of the locations. Dragon Gate at Korakuen, 9/11, 6:30PM Apache (indy hardcore guys) at Korakuen, 9/12, 7PM TEN BILLION SHOWS on 9/13. ROH, All Japan, DDT, DG. DDT's start time makes no sense (there is no 25th hour!). ROH is in Differ Ariake, DG is at somewhere I have no idea how to locate, AJ is in Korakuen. All start at 6 or 6:30. TEN BILLION SHOWS on 9/14 also. ROH in Differ, Big Japan in Korakuen, K-Dojo (Taka's fed) in Korakuen (noon show). WAVE (women's fed) on 9/15 at Shin Kiba 1st Ring, afternoon and evening shows. HUSTLE at Korakuen on 9/17. Any other questions let me know. edit: New column wherein I discuss Morishima and the G-1 Climax: http://pulsewrestling.com/2008/08/21/puroresu-pulse-issue-132-g-1-climax-and-morishima Ditch fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Aug 22, 2008 |
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Aug 21, 2008 14:52
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Ditch posted:Any other questions let me know. Sweet list! Exactly what I needed. I've heard of ROH and Hustle, and I'll probably see one or both of those shows. But what about the others? Any of those other groups worth going out of my way to see? Who are the big stars/best wrestlers I should check out?
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Aug 22, 2008 03:16
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Dragon Gate is 'lucharesu', fast-paced highflying and such. Top stars at the moment are Shingo Takagi and BB Hulk. Here's a match from March where they face KENTA and Ishimori (who is a 'Dragon System' wrestler): http://www.megaupload.com/?d=QPG12UZX ROH's 9/13 show will be co-promoted with Dragon Gate. ROH's 9/14 show will co-promote with NOAH. Either of those would be worthwhile, but I'd suggest 9/13 because of what's on 9/14. Big Japan is a hardcore/deathmatch fed that also has good non-hardcore wrestling. The big-time puro followers like myself have enjoyed them quite a lot in recent years. They have great crowds at Korakuen. Here is a deathmatch from June: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3O270TKI And a straight tag from May: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RBV4EGKQ Both of those took place at Korakuen. DDT, which might be a midnight show or 1AM the next day (very confusing!), is a hodgepodge of energetic wrestling and weird comedy angles/gimmicks. Here's one of their wrestling matches: http://lenny.theditch.biz/20071127-DDT_HARASHIMA-vs-MIKAMI.wmv Here's a match with lots of gimmickness: http://theditch.us/4-1-07Ladder.avi You can skip Apache and All Japan easily, and WAVE and K-Dojo too. Better ways to spend time in Tokyo, especially if you're already taking in a couple wrestling shows.
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Aug 22, 2008 04:22
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Apache is pretty cool if you want to see a lunatic in a firecracker vest. Maybe I'm getting that confused with another japanese indy promotion. They seem to come and go at roughly a rate of 10 per month.
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coconono posted:Apache is pretty cool if you want to see a lunatic in a firecracker vest. Maybe I'm getting that confused with another japanese indy promotion. They seem to come and go at roughly a rate of 10 per month. How dare you confuse one scuzzy indy fed with another.
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Aug 22, 2008 04:47
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quote:--Takeshi Morishima returned to Japan yesterday and made no comment about his WWE tryout matches, and was only promoting that he had learned new techniques from Ricky Steamboat that he would use to beat Kensuke Sasaki in their GHC title match at Budokan Hall. oh geez.
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HulkaMatt posted:oh geez. Morishima's gonna skin the cat!
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quote:Takeshi Morishima returned to Japan yesterday and made no comment about his WWE tryout matches, and was only promoting that he had learned new techniques from Paul London that he would use to beat Kensuke Sasaki in their GHC title match at Budokan Hall.
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Aug 24, 2008 02:04
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Meltzer reported on WOL that the WWE's interest in Morishima is pretty low at this point. Apparently they thought he was out of shape.
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MassRayPer posted:Meltzer reported on WOL that the WWE's interest in Morishima is pretty low at this point. did he ever go longer than 20 minutes in ROH? just sayin.
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MassRayPer posted:Meltzer reported on WOL that the WWE's interest in Morishima is pretty low at this point. I wonder if all the info they got was "Oh he's real big!" and they insinuated that meant 6'7, 270 pounds of muscle.
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Aug 25, 2008 00:50
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coconono posted:did he ever go longer than 20 minutes in ROH? At one point do you really need to go over 20 in WWE? He just went a half hour in NOAH. Just because you're big doesn't mean you can't go. And good, the WWE would just give him an evil foreigner gimmick.
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Aug 25, 2008 00:50
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coconono posted:did he ever go longer than 20 minutes in ROH? He had a 30 minute tag draw at GBH VI N1, he went more than 20 with Danielson at MMII, a little over 20 at Live in Tokyo with Nigel, the United We Stand tag (which ruled) went well over 20, and I assume the Reborn Again and This Means War II main event tags went 20. But the point of his run was to change things up after Danielson, do shorter main events after a year and a half of really long title matches, Gabe wanted to do shorter more intense brawls with Morishima. He's sure capable of longer matches, he just had a 30 minute singles draw in NOAH, and his tag against KENTA and Marufuji in 2006 that went 30 was one of the best matches of the year.
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Aug 25, 2008 00:51
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MassRayPer posted:He's sure capable of longer matches, he just had a 30 minute singles draw in NOAH, and his tag against KENTA and Marufuji in 2006 that went 30 was one of the best matches of the year. Then I have no idea why WWE would say he's out of shape. He looks like a Nipponese Gordy.
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Aug 25, 2008 00:56
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Probably because he is out of shape.
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Captain Charisma posted:Probably because he is out of shape. He's not out of shape at all, he's just a biiiiiiiiiiggggggg guyyyyyyyyy! Seriously, just because he's not freakishly toned and ripped doesn't mean he's out of shape. Real people do not look like Batista and Triple H.
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Aug 25, 2008 04:00
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Well I do.
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Aug 25, 2008 05:06
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I wanted to ask Scott Norton a couple questions and we talked for 100 minutes. Great guy. He says he was Vicious.
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Ditch posted:I wanted to ask Scott Norton a couple questions and we talked for 100 minutes. Great guy. That was actually the last question you got to ask. "Yeah, I was Vicious, Buff was Delicious." "Well to me you were always Vicious AND Delicious!" "..." (Click) It's ok though, most of us would have gotten a bit homo erotic talking to Scott Norton.
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Aug 25, 2008 06:17
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Wow the OP to this thread is old. Anyway to get this off the third page, I was wondering whether somebody could answer some questions, sorry if they've already been answered: What is the rough order of companies (like how in 2000, it was WWE, WCW, then ECW in the US). Maybe some historical ones would be nice too (in 1995, 1998, 2000 post noah, 2002) How terrible are various federations getting? How much touring do companies generally do? What is the order of the women's wrestling companies, and what dregs are left now that big national companies are gone? Are the companies willing to let their main eventers work freely like they seem to (like how for tournaments, other companies aces shows up, and actually get really good showings, not just buried because they're outsiders), and how jumping back and forth doesn't seem to be treated as betrayal over there? How crazy are those 40+ stiff machines? (Sasaki, kobashi, misawa, kawada) Is kobashi's return as bad as it seems? As in, does he not move right, not put on the main event performances, only performs irregularly, and mainly in tags? How much do people use promos and gimmicks generally in japanese wrestling? It seems that interviewers treat them like athletes, not like the wwe interviewers who just ask them about their plotline, and that promos are only for comedy purposes. Otherwise, I've never heard of a plotline in NOAH, who just seem to be kicking rear end as a company. Wazzu fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Sep 6, 2008 |
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New GHC Champion. 10. GHC Heavyweight Title: Kensuke Sasaki beat Takeshi Morishima (22:02) with a Northern Light Bomb to become the 13th champion. http://noah.puroresufan.com/
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Well that was certainly unexpected.
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I don't think that's a shock at all. Morishima got a couple defenses and 6 months with the belt. Plus there's some speculation that Sasaki might bring the title to ROH...Wazzu posted:What is the rough order of companies (like how in 2000, it was WWE, WCW, then ECW in the US). Maybe some historical ones would be nice too (in 1995, 1998, 2000 post noah, 2002) quote:How terrible are various federations getting? quote:How much touring do companies generally do? quote:What is the order of the women's wrestling companies, and what dregs are left now that big national companies are gone? quote:Are the companies willing to let their main eventers work freely like they seem to (like how for tournaments, other companies aces shows up, and actually get really good showings, not just buried because they're outsiders), and how jumping back and forth doesn't seem to be treated as betrayal over there? quote:How crazy are those 40+ stiff machines? (Sasaki, kobashi, misawa, kawada) quote:Is kobashi's return as bad as it seems? As in, does he not move right, not put on the main event performances, only performs irregularly, and mainly in tags? quote:How much do people use promos and gimmicks generally in japanese wrestling? It seems that interviewers treat them like athletes, not like the wwe interviewers who just ask them about their plotline, and that promos are only for comedy purposes. Otherwise, I've never heard of a plotline in NOAH, who just seem to be kicking rear end as a company.
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Eh I don't think he'll defend it. Gabe would have made a big deal about it ("If Sasaki wins the GHC title this could be a title match!!!") plus the other two GHC defenses in ROH are with guys who had been in NOAH enough that fans in Japan would instantly be like "Oh, that guy," albeit in very different degrees of "Oh I know him." He'll probably bring the belt but I don't see him defending. Of course I could be wrong.
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Captain Charisma posted:Eh I don't think he'll defend it. Gabe would have made a big deal about it ("If Sasaki wins the GHC title this could be a title match!!!") plus the other two GHC defenses in ROH are with guys who had been in NOAH enough that fans in Japan would instantly be like "Oh, that guy," albeit in very different degrees of "Oh I know him." He'll probably bring the belt but I don't see him defending. Nigel vs Marufuji was set before Marufuji won the title, and there wasn't any mention of it possibly being a GHC title match.
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Sep 6, 2008 22:03
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The precedent wasn't there though with that match.
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Captain Charisma posted:The precedent wasn't there though with that match. It doesn't matter. It is a pretty giant spoiler to suggest he might defend the title if he wins it, because if he doesn't you've just hyped up your show based on something you know won't happen.
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MassRayPer posted:It doesn't matter. It is a pretty giant spoiler to suggest he might defend the title if he wins it, because if he doesn't you've just hyped up your show based on something you know won't happen. What's funny is how *NOAH* announced Misawa vs KENTA for the GHC in such a way that it spoiled Misawa vs Samoa Joe at Budokan Hall.
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Sep 7, 2008 01:37
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I hope this means the giant screaming baby is coming to WWE.
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Jerusalem posted:I hope this means the giant screaming baby is coming to WWE.
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Ditch posted:No, WWE was offended by the fact that he showed up for his trial with too much flab. I was hoping that this would just turn out to be incorrect or they'd get over it. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing him back in ROH, though I imagine he's in a fairly good place in Japan at the moment. How is he actually thought of? Do the Japanese like him/fear him?
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He's seen as credible, not a fearsome monster or anything, but he's just not a big draw. Doesn't have the kind of charisma to lead a company.
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