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Bruinator
Jul 6, 2005

Nerobro posted:

Well I was close ;-) I don't think of most bikes as really having emissions systems. But I'm stuck in the 80's with motorcycles.

I'd say you nailed it, it was an air leak from a hose where there should have been a plug.

The best thing is that this forced me to work on the idle mixture, which cleared up the eye-watering rich smell and should help my around-town gas mileage. One day I'll port the heads, get FCR's, and put a spaghetti exhaust on......or maybe just pick up a 916.

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Sound Mr. Brown
Feb 21, 2005

The love of learning, the sequestered nooks,
And all the sweet serenity of books.

Nerobro posted:

Mr Brown, tell us exactly how you have it hooked up. :-) Where did you splice into the harness? How old is your battery?

If it works with the bike off, i'm willing to bet it's electrical noise from the alternator that's confusing it. A charged battery helps that, and if it's really necessary you can wire in a capacitor.

It may also be an indicator of a failing stator, or failing rectifier. Both of those can cause some well and truly evil electrical noise.

The vest comes with a cable that is a Y on one end to hook directly to the positive and negative terminals of the battery. The other end hooks into the vest, and there is a fuse inline with the positive terminal connection.

Bike is a 2001 Bandit 600 with about 22k miles, battery could be original or could have been replaced... previous owners were less than diligent about recording services or anything else. Wouldn't be surprised if it was a failing something or other. Are there any simple tests I can do to isolate parts?


Interesting! Thank you, I will pursue those ideas.
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Sound Mr. Brown fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jan 4, 2009

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
You've got a bike with an actual alternator. That makes things a little more difficult to diagnose. I don't know enough about the physical layout of your alternator to tell you exactly what to do. I know that there is a bandit forum, I'd ask there about how to check your alternator.

I don't know what a new regulator would cost for your alternator, but that would be my second step. I'm betting it's in the $30-50 range. What I "think" is wrong, is that one, or more of the diodes in it's rectifier is shot. Which makes the output of your alternator look like morse code, instead of a slightly bumpy wave.

VikingPenguin
Nov 6, 2005
I found an ad for a 1976 Kawasaki KH100 for sale in my area, but I can't find anything about them on the internet aside from a Dennis Kirk page which doesn't seem to relate. The seller claims it is a 100cc two stroke, and I'm interested, but I'd like to find someone's opinion on it somewhere, or even a mention that it exists. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

This could be dumb, and I'll probably go check it out anyway, with someone who's opinion I would trust, but background information is always nice.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




The KH100 is a two stroke streetbike.

Pretty cool looking little cafe runabout. This youtube video seems to imply that its good to about 65 or 70 mph.

http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_KH100
http://www.bikepics.com/kawasaki/kh100/

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
wow, the KH100 is nice. 65-70mph is completely believable. Disk valve, which is neat :-) Like my TC90. Disk brake is nice too. I'd buy it.

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




So I've got the worries.

I put my bike away back in late October, and I made sure to run a tank with some seafoam first. I then topped the tank off, tossed some more seafoam and some stabil in the tank, ran the carbs dry, and turned the petcock again to let them fill with stabil/seafoamed gas.

Given that gas in MA all has at least 10% ethanol, was this a retarded maneuver that has promised me a spring of carb rebuilding? The bike's at my girlfriend's mom's house, about an hour West, so I can't just empty the carbs.

I plan on getting the bike out of storage as early as possible; this is probably gonna be mid-late April.

(And I know there was some internal logic to why I did this, but I can't for the life of me think of what it is).

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep
drat, the KH100 looks perfect for my fiance. I'm desperately looking for a lightweight small displacement bike to get her into riding with. Its really hard to find anything under 250cc that isn't a dirtbike.

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!

FluffGrenade posted:

So I've got the worries.
I wouldn't worry about it. You should be just fine. The alcohol will evaporate. The stabil will prevent varnish. What I would worry about is the seafoam. That stuff is designed to eat crap. The sort of crap that builds up and keeps old seals working well. ;-) You'll likely be ok.

8ender posted:

Little Bikes
You should have asked. There's a LOT of bikes out there that'll suit that sort of rider. Most are enduro-ish, but that's ok. All the bikes of that era were anyway.

Off the top of my head: Suzuki TS and TC 90, 100 and 125. Suzuki GT 100, 125, 185. The Yamaha DT100, LT2, CT3, DT125, AR80, RD60/80.

Phat albert can fill in the Kawasakis.

Nerobro fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 4, 2009

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Nerobro posted:

I wouldn't worry about it. You should be just fine. The alachaol will evaporate. The stabil will prevent varnish. What I would worry about is the seafoam. That stuff is designed to eat crap. The sort of crap that builds up and keeps old seals working well. ;-) You'll likely be ok.

...Luckily, the carbs are otherwise freshly rebuilt. :D Thanks for the reassurance.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Nerobro posted:

Phat albert can fill in the Kawasakis.

Lets not forget the small Hondas. There were of course CB/CL 125's.

Sadly I dont know much about early small Kawis other than the F11-250 that I own. Which is definitely as enduro as it gets.

A little research turns up some sweet small bikes from Kawi, however.

http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_AR50
http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_AR80
http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_G7
http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_KZ200A
http://www.cyclechaos.com/wiki/Kawasaki_KZ250D

Gnaghi
Jan 25, 2008

Is this a good first bike?

Nerobro posted:

Method for dealing with carburetor boot leaks on a VFR honda:
  • Cry. Loudly. Preferably far enough away that the bike can't hear you.
  • Attempt repair on ones own.
  • Sign up for local VFR support group.
  • Reach step seven of 12 step VFR recovery process.
  • Take out loan, on advice of said support group.
  • Take bike to shop.
  • Faint at sight of bill from bike shop.
  • Take out second mortgage and pay for bike repair.


Is this repair common on VFRs? I'm actually thinking of getting a slightly used one in the near future but I might not if regular repairs are going to turn into a huge headache.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

I went out to a parking lot (actually, the one where the ending car scene of "Superbad" was filmed) and horsed around with the bike (DR650) a bit today, and have a few questions.

1) What's the right way to get up (and down, though I think I have that mostly covered) a curb? I went up and down a few just to get some practice in - all "standard" size (read: not very big, 6-7" probably) - and basically just rolled up slow (<5mph) and goosed the throttle as the front wheel rolled up. It seemed to work well enough, but that's rarely a sign of it being the right way, right?

2) How slow should I be going for standard curbs? Can I do it faster?

3) How about bigger curbs?

Finally, basically unrelated: What's the right way to clean a visor? I've been just using warm water, it seems to work pretty well, but always looking for pointers.

Edit for fun stuff: The driveway the car comes down at the very beginning, I was going up the curb just to the right of that - and up the little hill after. Edit 2: Debating trying to go all the way up the hill @ 0:20 too.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jan 5, 2009

Nerobro
Nov 4, 2005

Rider now with 100% more titanium!
Going up sharp edged bumps.. .like curbs, is best done slowly. If you can wheelie it a little, make sure you get the tire high enough to get over the curb.

I take curbs on my "normal" bikes all the time. I just slip the clutch and get it up the curb gently. going down, I go quickly :-) Faster is better.

I clean my visor with hot water only. Cleaners can strip coatings off hte lenses. If I have to makea choice, and tell you what cleaner to use, it would be plexus spray. It's a cleaner developed for aircraft (polycarbonate... the same as your visor) windows.

I have no idea about VFR repair, other than it being a utter pain in the rear end. It's a honda, so long as you ride the bike with any kind of frequency, it will keep running. Don't worry about it ;-)

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Nerobro posted:

Going up sharp edged bumps.. .like curbs, is best done slowly. If you can wheelie it a little, make sure you get the tire high enough to get over the curb.

I take curbs on my "normal" bikes all the time. I just slip the clutch and get it up the curb gently. going down, I go quickly :-) Faster is better.
This seems consistent with what I was thinking. I'm staying as far away from wheelies as I can for the time being, so I'll take that part under advisement for a later date :)

shaitan
Mar 8, 2004
g.d.m.f.s.o.b.
Are there any recommended Battery Tenders? Or are they all pretty much the same?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Krakkles posted:

This seems consistent with what I was thinking. I'm staying as far away from wheelies as I can for the time being, so I'll take that part under advisement for a later date :)

You've got loads of clearence and travel on the big thumper, so you don't have to worry about things that you'd typically be concerned about (scraping plastics, bottoming out forks hard). Make sure to hit them head on, wear your gear, and have fun.

When I get the SV rebuilt, I'll come out there and play on some curbs too :3:

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

shaitan posted:

Are there any recommended Battery Tenders? Or are they all pretty much the same?

I use this guy with no complaints.

8ender
Sep 24, 2003

clown is watching you sleep

Nerobro posted:

You should have asked.

Thanks, thats an excellent list to start with. I keep forgetting that AI isn't like the usual bike crowd around here that scoffs at anything without a Harley badge and less than 1000ccs of displacement.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Z3n posted:

You've got loads of clearence and travel on the big thumper, so you don't have to worry about things that you'd typically be concerned about (scraping plastics, bottoming out forks hard). Make sure to hit them head on, wear your gear, and have fun.

When I get the SV rebuilt, I'll come out there and play on some curbs too :3:
Still sticking to ATGATT :)

Sounds great, I'd love to have someone around to tell me when I screw up - or watch do things right :) Confession: This post is why I started thinking about curbs :)

shaitan
Mar 8, 2004
g.d.m.f.s.o.b.

Uthor posted:

I use this guy with no complaints.

Does the Amperage matter? I see on Amazon it's $24 for the .75A model and $40 for the 1.25A

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Krakkles posted:

Still sticking to ATGATT :)

Sounds great, I'd love to have someone around to tell me when I screw up - or watch do things right :) Confession: This post is why I started thinking about curbs :)

All anarchy/riding like an rear end in a top hat aside, sometimes it's a better to hop a curb then get, say...rear ended. I don't anticipate ever having to do it, but if I do, I'd rather have had a few shots at it before I get out there and do it for real.

Plus it's fun. :xd:

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Z3n posted:

All anarchy/riding like an rear end in a top hat aside, sometimes it's a better to hop a curb then get, say...rear ended. I don't anticipate ever having to do it, but if I do, I'd rather have had a few shots at it before I get out there and do it for real.

Plus it's fun. :xd:
Agreed 100%. The only reason I want to learn the few squidly things I do is so that I can use them should the need arise.

Which means I can justify wheelies but stoppies I haven't come up with a reason for yet :D

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Krakkles posted:

Agreed 100%. The only reason I want to learn the few squidly things I do is so that I can use them should the need arise.

Which means I can justify wheelies but stoppies I haven't come up with a reason for yet :D

Stoppies obviously occur when you're practicing braking. That's how I started doing them...

And honestly, if you're not comfortable with the back end coming a little bit off the ground, you're going to have problems getting to max braking comfortably. You don't need to be lofting it like, 3 feet in the air or anything, but it's good to know what it feels like and how to modulate it.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Z3n posted:

Stoppies obviously occur when you're practicing braking. That's how I started doing them...

And honestly, if you're not comfortable with the back end coming a little bit off the ground, you're going to have problems getting to max braking comfortably. You don't need to be lofting it like, 3 feet in the air or anything, but it's good to know what it feels like and how to modulate it.

I haven't gotten the rear far up, but I have had a couple of quick stops that resulted in either just that little bit of satisfying tire scuffing (which I love) or a bit of rear-end squirreliness. I guess next time I'm in that parking lot I'll try to get the rear up. Worst case I go over the handlebars, right? :D

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Krakkles posted:

I haven't gotten the rear far up, but I have had a couple of quick stops that resulted in either just that little bit of satisfying tire scuffing (which I love) or a bit of rear-end squirreliness. I guess next time I'm in that parking lot I'll try to get the rear up. Worst case I go over the handlebars, right? :D

Rear end squirreliness is you unweighting the back end and the engine braking dragging the tail end around due to the lack of traction. It actually took a bit of work to get the rear tire off the ground on your bike...probably due to the dual sport tires not giving the most confidence under braking.

What are you refering to when you say you're getting "tire scuffing"?

Sound Mr. Brown
Feb 21, 2005

The love of learning, the sequestered nooks,
And all the sweet serenity of books.

Krakkles posted:

Worst case I go over the handlebars, right? :D

Or you dump the front tire and go down awkwardly...

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Z3n posted:

What are you refering to when you say you're getting "tire scuffing"?
Limit braking. At least, that's what I'd call it in a car. I was coming up to a driveway a bit hotter than I realistically should have, braked hard, front dives WAY down, back tire makes noise like it's right on the edge of grip - nothing, scuff, nothing, scuff, really fast.

Sound Mr. Brown posted:

Or you dump the front tire and go down awkwardly...
I doubt it would be more awkward than an endo :)

Gnomad
Aug 12, 2008

Gnaghi posted:

Is this repair common on VFRs? I'm actually thinking of getting a slightly used one in the near future but I might not if regular repairs are going to turn into a huge headache.

How slightly used?
I'm thinking that 2001 ish they went to the V-tech motor which raises the level of mechanical complexity by a factor of "frak me sideways".

Handiklap
Aug 14, 2004

Mmmm no.
So I just did my valves on my 08 Rebel (3,200 mi) as recommended at 4k miles. Everything runs fine, I haven't lost any low or top end, and it starts just fine. I am noticing that after riding to work (~12mi), the engine smells "hot," which if it did before, I wasn't noticing it as much; I can smell it easily at stop lights. It's definitely coming from the cylinder heat sinks. I've also noticed that the rpms don't drop as quickly when I let off the throttle.

My manual recommends .004-.006" on the valves, and I've got them set somewhere around .0045", both cylinders, exhaust and intake all the same. Does it sound like I've got them too tight? I'm guessing that's what's affecting my throttle response, as it's increased the cylinder pressure on exhaust, but is it what's causing the heat (smell)?

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

Handiklap posted:

So I just did my valves on my 08 Rebel (3,200 mi) as recommended at 4k miles. Everything runs fine, I haven't lost any low or top end, and it starts just fine. I am noticing that after riding to work (~12mi), the engine smells "hot," which if it did before, I wasn't noticing it as much; I can smell it easily at stop lights. It's definitely coming from the cylinder heat sinks. I've also noticed that the rpms don't drop as quickly when I let off the throttle.

My manual recommends .004-.006" on the valves, and I've got them set somewhere around .0045", both cylinders, exhaust and intake all the same. Does it sound like I've got them too tight? I'm guessing that's what's affecting my throttle response, as it's increased the cylinder pressure on exhaust, but is it what's causing the heat (smell)?

Well, first of all, you always want to adjust to the loose side of the spec. Valves tighten over time, so the loose end of the spec is where you want to be.

I'd adjust them to the loose side of the spec and wash the bike and see if the smell sticks around.

rope kid
Feb 3, 2001

Warte nur! Balde
Ruhest du auch.

Anyone have any online sites for vintage motorcycle plates? I'd like to find a 1969 Wisconsin plate for my CL350. I've found lots of general "old plate" sites, but they usually have few, if any, motorcycle plates.

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Handiklap posted:

So I just did my valves on my 08 Rebel (3,200 mi) as recommended at 4k miles. Everything runs fine, I haven't lost any low or top end, and it starts just fine. I am noticing that after riding to work (~12mi), the engine smells "hot," which if it did before, I wasn't noticing it as much; I can smell it easily at stop lights. It's definitely coming from the cylinder heat sinks. I've also noticed that the rpms don't drop as quickly when I let off the throttle.

My manual recommends .004-.006" on the valves, and I've got them set somewhere around .0045", both cylinders, exhaust and intake all the same. Does it sound like I've got them too tight? I'm guessing that's what's affecting my throttle response, as it's increased the cylinder pressure on exhaust, but is it what's causing the heat (smell)?

As Z3n noted, the loose side is what you want. Even if you're talking the choice between .004 and .007 (if you use shims; if it's a locknut engine, don't mind me), I'd choose .007, especially if we're talking exhaust valves. Rather a rattling drivetrain than a burnt valve.

Gnomad
Aug 12, 2008
I'm thinking that maybe the hot smell is from a small oil leak. Take a good look at the valve cover, see if there is any sign of wetness, if so, you'll want to correct this. You may need a new valve cover gasket but it's also easy to let the gasket slip out of position.

George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




Gnomad posted:

I'm thinking that maybe the hot smell is from a small oil leak. Take a good look at the valve cover, see if there is any sign of wetness, if so, you'll want to correct this. You may need a new valve cover gasket but it's also easy to let the gasket slip out of position.

In this vein, check for a bit of smoke coming out of the tach drive. My bike leaked just a bit there and it smoked pretty nastily after 15 minutes of riding. The seal is usually like $5, though in my case, getting to it involves removing the valve cover and taking one of the cam holders off. It's not hard, it's just annoying.

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Ok, I did a stoppie last night, and one tonight :)

Last night I stalled because I forgot to pull the clutch in - it was super low speed, so no problem, but something to keep in mind. Tonight, I fixed that, but I hadn't clicked down to first, so I stalled when I tried to take off. Both were probably roughly a foot up - felt good!

All on a semi-closed road, of course. As in, one in, one out, straight, no possibility of anyone coming on it without tons of lead time and me knowing.

Krakkles fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Jan 8, 2009

Prince
Jul 12, 2006
I HOPE YOU LEAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR MY FIST BECAUSE IM GOING TO RAM IT INTO YOUR STOMACH AND BREAK YOUR GOD DAMN SPINE
Hello everyone I have a question.

I am buying my first bike probably this weekend. I do not have a helmet yet. I have been told that White helmets are far more visible so I am trying to find one, but all my local bike shops (and indeed every bike shop I can find on the web) so not have any plain white helmets. In order to get a plain white helmet I will have to pay twice as much to get a Shoei.

So the question is, should I pay $300 for a black Nolan, or $560 for a white Shoei?

Is the extra worth the safety advantages?

My bike is likely to be black and I will also likely get a black leather jacket so I don't want to be invisible...

edit: this is Australia so ignore the high prices and poor availability

Prince fucked around with this message at 12:56 on Jan 8, 2009

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

Prince posted:

So the question is, should I pay $300 for a black Nolan, or $560 for a white Shoei?

Is the extra worth the safety advantages?
Pay $150 for a G-Max, and $5 for a can of white spray paint and some tape.

If not, no, it's probably not worth it. Being visible is good, but 99% of safety on a bike comes down to what YOU do, not being what other people do.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Prince posted:

I have been told that White helmets are far more visible

They're not. Sure, in certain situations they would be, but generally the urban environment is a light gray color and white doesn't really stick out that much. Not to mention doing nothing in low light situations.

If you want a safe color, look for a bright yellow or orange. Otherwise, I'd just get the black one.

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`Nemesis
Dec 30, 2000

railroad graffiti
Wear a bright colored reflective traffic vest over your riding jacket if you're worried about visibility.... I bet it would be more effective than what color your helmet is.

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