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Squizzle posted:Undead war beetle: best war machine ever imagined, or best war machine possible to imagine? I forgot about all the awesome Battle System poo poo from that book.
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PeterWeller posted:I forgot about all the awesome Battle System poo poo from that book. And how much of it was made in whole or part from animals, living and dead. Athas: where your building materials are arthopods and necromancy.
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Feb 11, 2010 22:29
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Dragon Kings was one of my favorites from when I was younger. I wound up buying it off e-bay last summer. Now if only I could find a copy of Psionic Artifacts of Athens and read all the weird crap in there again. E: Wagons with hollow 30' wide stone wheels may help you cross the sea of silt. If you get sick of feeding the slaves hamster balling away inside the wheels, just turn them into skeletons!
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Feb 11, 2010 22:30
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Gotta love a siege weapon literally built onto and impossible to remove from a mekillot.
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Feb 11, 2010 22:30
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I need to hunt down a copy of Dune Trader. My players are interested in a campaign based around forming a trading house (after escaping from slavery, of course).
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Feb 11, 2010 22:32
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that would be awesome. gently caress trying to have an impact on the setting and topple the sorcerer kings, just live in the framework of the world and try to scrape out a niche for yourself
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Feb 11, 2010 22:37
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Dragon Kings: Metal as gently caress...ManMythLegend posted:
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Feb 11, 2010 22:45
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"Hey man, what's up?"
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Honestly, "Topple the Sorcerer Kings," is the lamest theme possible for a Dark Sun campaign. It's more of the same poo poo you do in every other D&D setting, which is entirely against the point of Dark Sun in the first place. Not to mention that knocking off the Sorcerer Kings without any sort of follow up plan would turn Balic into Baghdad. Also, Baxa art does suck in general, but it doesn't help that his poo poo would appear on the opposite page from a Brom piece.
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Feb 11, 2010 22:50
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I like games where there are some dudes you can't beat because they would just crush you like a grape. no stat blocks, none of that poo poo, they just tear you in half if you piss them off this is basically how I think all dragons should be portrayed. Maybe three guys in all of recorded history should have killed dragons, and two of them were demigods. and the third is a real god
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Feb 11, 2010 22:56
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PeterWeller posted:Not to mention that knocking off the Sorcerer Kings without any sort of follow up plan would turn Balic into Baghdad. This would make a good campaign, being regular guys dealing with the fallout some jackass "heroes"/assassins caused by creating a power vacuum. liesmith posted:I like games where there are some dudes you can't beat because they would just crush you like a grape. no stat blocks, none of that poo poo, they just tear you in half if you piss them off We ran into a dragon in low-level 4th D&D. Getting the gently caress away was a skill challenge. Bluff check: "Caravan Guard #3, scamper up that tree! Dragons can't look up!" And with a wet crunch, I'm afforded a little more time.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:04
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Pharmaskittle posted:This would make a good campaign, being regular guys dealing with the fallout some jackass "heroes"/assassins caused by creating a power vacuum. Totally doing this if I ever get the chance to run Dark Sun. The party will be out adventuring and then come back to town- BAM everything is upside down.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:07
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Drox posted:Totally doing this if I ever get the chance to run Dark Sun. The party will be out adventuring and then come back to town- BAM everything is upside down. They'll have to take a minute, just sit right there, and become the Sorcerer-Princes of Balic?
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Feb 11, 2010 23:17
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Liesmith posted:I like games where there are some dudes you can't beat because they would just crush you like a grape. no stat blocks, none of that poo poo, they just tear you in half if you piss them off Beowulf wasn't a demigod, he was just a badass.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:19
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Pharmaskittle posted:This would make a good campaign, being regular guys dealing with the fallout some jackass "heroes"/assassins caused by creating a power vacuum. This is kind of the theme of Freedom and The Road to Urik. The former ends up with the players trying to keep panicked civilians and slaves alive while Rikus, Sadira, and the rest kill Kalak. The latter places the burden of holding the army of Tyr together and outmaneuvering the army of Urik firmly on the players' shoulders because Rikus is not a good general. Marauders of the Dune Sea, the 4E adventure, sounds like it has a similar theme. We can knock on the Prism Pentad all we want, but those books did do "killing a Sorcerer King" right. Killing Kalak ended up being the easy part. All the crazy fallout from his death became the real challenge.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:22
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Android Blues posted:Beowulf wasn't a demigod, he was just a badass. What Epic Destiny would you suggest he had then?
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Feb 11, 2010 23:23
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I will not tolerate any more of this Baxa trash talk! Baxa is Dark Sun! Show me one piece of Brom work that is more Dark Sun than this little fella.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:27
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I hate muls because of that illustration.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:30
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Attilla posted:What Epic Destiny would you suggest he had then? You laugh, but Beowulf is the exact image of an epic-tier Martial character. He's not magical, he's not superpowered, he's just so incredibly buff he can swim across seas and grapple unarmed with steel-skinned monsters. So, to answer your question, a grappler fighter with the Adamantine Soldier destiny.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:31
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I like that he's spitting. Also, Baxa's color art is even worse than his b&w.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:32
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jigokuman posted:Show me one piece of Brom work that is more Dark Sun than this little fella.  Onward, beetle wagon.
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Feb 11, 2010 23:49
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Android Blues posted:Beowulf wasn't a demigod, he was just a badass. he also died. Anytime you introduce a dragon and the whole party doesn't say OH gently caress you're doing it wrong. When someone suggests standing and fighting the whole table should look at him like he's a retard
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Feb 12, 2010 00:03
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Liesmith posted:he also died. Yeah, but he killed the dragon, you know? Job done. The dragon didn't even best him in single combat - he was killed by its poisonous blood after finishing it off, which is pretty much the archetype of cowardly, undeserved victory. Of course, Beowulf was in 4e terms like at least in the mid-twenties in level, but he was fighting solo! If he'd only had a warlord around to shout him back to consciousness, like every dragon ever would have gone down like a punk.
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Feb 12, 2010 00:08
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he did that's what the spear guy who sticks around is. But Beowulf just dies on his rear end, his last thoughts of the sweet loot he just got
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That said I do agree, dragons should be badass and terrifying, but so should your heroes, unless you're running low fantasy 4e or something. I mean, yeah, the dragon as a literary figure is like if Satan was part crocodile and could breath fire, but your heroes in this game are like...well, like Beowulf the fighter, or St. George (who incidentally wasn't a demigod either and slew a dragon basically without much fuss) the paladin, or Medea the wizard/cleric. Unless you're talking low Heroic tier, 4e characters are Big drat Heroes and part of the appeal of that is that they will fight, even if they know they're outmatched, because that's the heroic thing to do.
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Feb 12, 2010 00:18
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haha this opinion is really inappropriate for the Dark Sun thread
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Somehow, this conversation strikes me as increasingly un-Sword and Sorcery.Android Blues posted:haha this opinion is really inappropriate for the Dark Sun thread yeah this
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jigokuman posted:I will not tolerate any more of this Baxa trash talk! Baxa is Dark Sun! This guy looks like an Asian as drawn by a man who still uses the term "Chinamen".
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Feb 12, 2010 00:28
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Squizzle posted:This guy looks like an Asian as drawn by a man who still uses the term "Chinamen". I think he looks like Piccolo from Dragon Ball and it horrifies me because I never watched those goddamn shows.
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Feb 12, 2010 00:30
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Liesmith posted:he also died. I ran a 3e game back in the day with the basic plot of: First adventure: Rumors of a dragon horde guarded by a young dragon abound. Players get together and kill young wyrmling with help of several npc's, take their share of horde home. Young Wyrmling's parent finds out, gets pissed, PC's spend 9 levels worth of adventures trying not get killed by an angry Great Wyrm. Nothing says OH gently caress like a giant white dragon trying to eat more than it waiting for you outside the tomb of some undead guy and his loot.
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Feb 12, 2010 00:47
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Android Blues posted:haha this opinion is really inappropriate for the Dark Sun thread Not really in light of the whole start at level 3 and your stats range from 5-20 instead of 3-18 thing from 2nd edition.
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jigokuman posted:I will not tolerate any more of this Baxa trash talk! Baxa is Dark Sun! that guy is going to suffer from SEVERE HEAT STROKE!!!
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Feb 12, 2010 04:16
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TiA Click here for the full 940x1226 image. THIS IS ATHAS
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Liesmith posted:I like games where there are some dudes you can't beat because they would just crush you like a grape. no stat blocks, none of that poo poo, they just tear you in half if you piss them off I think this is why I love the Lady of Pain. She's the one character in all of D&D who is explicitly not statted out, and the designers bent over backwards to make sure that she didn't fit intp any of the accepted categories for a powerful being. quote:this is basically how I think all dragons should be portrayed. Maybe three guys in all of recorded history should have killed dragons, and two of them were demigods. and the third is a real god I think they should be beatable, but it should be the highlight of the story. After all, slaying a dragon is a classic heroic deed, but its always the highlight of a career of heroism. Decide where the campaign is going to end, and that's when you fight the dragon. In 4th Ed terms, you never see less than an Ancient Red Dragon (which is nearly a god already), or lesser Ancient buffed with a template. Even then, design some gimmicks so it's not just a solo slog. In Dark Sun, on the other hand, dragons aren't really classical dragons. The Sorceror Kings are mostly a long way off from completing the transformation. If you fight one, it's probably because you are one as well, or are something equally world-shaking. It's kind of ironic that Dark Sun introduced epic levels to D&D, but at the same time seems the setting least suited for reaching epic levels in.
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ManMythLegend posted:TiA When gay pride parades turn deadly! Have there been any leaks for the 4e art?
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PeterWeller posted:Also, Baxa art does suck in general. I don't understand the hate:     Especially the last one, it's basically the Dark Sunniest
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Feb 12, 2010 10:20
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You'd have to look at his line art in the Dark Sun manuals. His paintings tend to be better.
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tendrilsfor20 posted:I don't understand the hate: those are all ugly, everything is weirdly knobbly and orange. The liquid from the dripping dead guy's face looks like it's made out of orange wood. The last one is the least offensive to the eyes but that elf doesn't look like he's alive at all and his mask is knobbly as hell for no reason
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Feb 12, 2010 14:51
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Also, those were made well after 1991. A man's work can improve with time.
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Feb 12, 2010 14:54
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the goblin warrior honestly looks like he was whittled
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Liesmith posted:those are all ugly, everything is weirdly knobbly and orange. The liquid from the dripping dead guy's face looks like it's made out of orange wood. The last one is the least offensive to the eyes but that elf doesn't look like he's alive at all and his mask is knobbly as hell for no reason All of this sounds Dark Sun as gently caress to me. Go play Forgotten Realms if you want to be fancy elves with giant swords. Dark Sun is for knobbly wooden trolls that spit and wield sharpened jawbones strapped to other bones. YOU ARE HOT AND THIRSTY.
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