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Gnomad
Aug 12, 2008

TheCosmicMuffet posted:

Several questions in no particular order:
Taxes came and went, and I still have some money, so it's time to burn it and dance around like a lunatic...

with that in mind

I had a conversation with a guy at the gym who seems dead set on keeping me from finishing my legs workout. He waxed poetic about how great Moto Guzzis are, saying their engines are easy to maintain and incredibly reliable. I was under the impression that everything italian was tempermental, esoteric, and expensive to repair. So according to this guy, moto guzzi makes incredible cruisers. I started looking here http://www.motoguzzicalifornia.com/2009/12/oil-change/ and I'm 50/50. There's stuff in there about a recall on some hydraulics and comments like 'quirky'. Anybody have some experience?



Yes, Gooses can be quirky but not that tempermental. The older ones were stone simple. Most of the maintenence items are easy to access and you can get an external oil filter kit to avoid the internal filter goofieness. The sound they make at redline is 110% delightful, it's sort of a small block chevy war cry.

They did go through a rough period in the early 2000's. Numerous electrical and finish problems. Those bikes are best avoided unless you are willing to dig deep and make the mods (mostly updating the relays).

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Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

orthod0ks posted:

Yesterday it was a dirt hill in my backyard. It wasn't spinning. It was stalling. Last season, I would start it up and let it warm up for 5-10 minutes. I'd leave and it would seem fine, but shortly after I head out, there's an incline that's not very steep, that I have to stop on waiting to turn left. When I'd make the left, it would stall once or twice. It would eventually get me there, but it sucks stalling on a busy road with a line of traffic behind you.

Today I took it out again. I gave it 10-15 minutes to warm up, and it ran fine with the choke closed. It was fine slowly pulling into the road, but when I got there and gave it some gas, it sputtered out on me and stalled. I started it right back up and opened the choke some, and it ran fine. After another 5 min or so, I closed the choke, and everything ran fine. I don't know if it just needs more time to warm up or what, but 10-15 minutes seems excessive to me.

Do you have fresh gas in there?

If it's stalling, give it more gas and slip the clutch more.

FuzzyWuzzyBear
Sep 8, 2003

To the F2 guys (Z3n, infraboy?), what hoses should be connected to the gas tank? I just realized when I took my tank off earlier, that all I had to remove was the fuel line from the petcock. Shouldn't there be a vacuum line on there? What should I have, and where does it go? I'm hoping this is a factor in my bike being hard to start.

Edit: According to service manual, I should have a vent tube, drain tube, fuel line, and a vacuum tube, but it's not really clear where everything goes, or what size hose to get if I'm completely missing it.

Edi2: Guy on another forum says the PO may have disconnected the vacuum line on purpose if the petcock failed and started letting gas flow at all times.

FuzzyWuzzyBear fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Mar 12, 2010

Handiklap
Aug 14, 2004

Mmmm no.

As he gets to his knees and looks around a bit, all I could hear was "There's...wait...wasn't I just on a bike?"

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




The "crash sounds" people make are the worst. You dont really notice them when you go down yourself, but hearing them happen on video is just horrible.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

FuzzyWuzzyBear posted:

To the F2 guys (Z3n, infraboy?), what hoses should be connected to the gas tank? I just realized when I took my tank off earlier, that all I had to remove was the fuel line from the petcock. Shouldn't there be a vacuum line on there? What should I have, and where does it go? I'm hoping this is a factor in my bike being hard to start.

Edit: According to service manual, I should have a vent tube, drain tube, fuel line, and a vacuum tube, but it's not really clear where everything goes, or what size hose to get if I'm completely missing it.

Edi2: Guy on another forum says the PO may have disconnected the vacuum line on purpose if the petcock failed and started letting gas flow at all times.

You're gonna have the fuel line going from petcock to carbs, the drain tube will just vent straight off the back. The vacuum tube will go from engine to petcock, and the drain tube typically goes straight to the carbon canister. If you think the vent issue is causing hard starting, pop open the gas tank and try starting it then. If it works, your vent setup is probably clogged.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Phat_Albert posted:

The "crash sounds" people make are the worst. You dont really notice them when you go down yourself, but hearing them happen on video is just horrible.

I'm 30 in a month. I make those sounds sitting down and getting up from chairs.

FuzzyWuzzyBear
Sep 8, 2003

Z3n posted:

You're gonna have the fuel line going from petcock to carbs, the drain tube will just vent straight off the back. The vacuum tube will go from engine to petcock, and the drain tube typically goes straight to the carbon canister. If you think the vent issue is causing hard starting, pop open the gas tank and try starting it then. If it works, your vent setup is probably clogged.

This motorcycle forum is awesome. I didn't even think of trying that. Now I get to experiment when I get home with :science:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




NitroSpazzz posted:

I'm going to talk to the warehouse guys and see if we could stand to get rid of a few. They were used for shipping old hardware. They are air/water tight, have lockable latches, and come with a ton of foam inside. I've stripped a few out for various projects before.

Will see if I can buy/grab one off the shelf and give it a try. If it turns out we have spares and people are interested they would pry be pretty cheap and indestructible.

Did this ever come through?

NitroSpazzz
Dec 9, 2006

You don't need style when you've got strength!


Phat_Albert posted:

Did this ever come through?

I have three coming in next week to check out and test. Sadly a total of seven is all that are available right now. If they get here before Wednesday next week I will get pictures and specs up otherwise it will have to wait a week. I'm currently trying to locate a spare rear seat for the SV to sacrifice for a mount.

CSi-NA-EJ7
Feb 21, 2007
Since the KTM doesnt need a key to start up I figured it may be a good ivestment to look into some anti-theft measures. What do you guys use if any? $20 master lock ones look good and come with the reminder cord.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

CSi-NA-EJ7 posted:

Since the KTM doesnt need a key to start up I figured it may be a good ivestment to look into some anti-theft measures. What do you guys use if any? $20 master lock ones look good and come with the reminder cord.

Jet it so it's impossible to start without a careful starting ritual.

Serious answer though, I'd rig up a little hidden switch tucked away somewhere.

MrZig
Aug 13, 2005
I exist onl because of Parias'
LEGENDARY GENEROSITY.
When doing a valve adjustment with screw/nut type adjusters, how tight should one tighten the lock nuts? My manuals don't have a torque rating.

I don't want to gently caress the threads up, but I don't want the constant motion & vibration to make them come loose. Something like 20 ft/lbs? Or "Just past snug" ?

This is on the 89 GSXR 750.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

The manual for my GSX750ES says 9-11 Nm, which is 6.6 to 8.1 ft lbs. I don't have a torque wrench small and accurate enough for that, so I just use a regular wrench and tighten it with one finger until my sphincter starts to pucker.

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?
I'd imagine not a ton, the 250's torque specs around 13ft/lbs

MrZig
Aug 13, 2005
I exist onl because of Parias'
LEGENDARY GENEROSITY.
OK so just snug, good. Itd be a disaster if it broke/stripped.

shipwrek
Dec 11, 2009

Drunk octopus wants
to fight you

CSi-NA-EJ7 posted:

Since the KTM doesnt need a key to start up I figured it may be a good ivestment to look into some anti-theft measures. What do you guys use if any? $20 master lock ones look good and come with the reminder cord.

I use a brake lock and like it; some guys don't think they're really all that effective because someone could still just haul the bike away. I knew a guy who wired 6 tiny toggle switches into his ignition line that had to be set in a certain order to let the bike start. Hassle if you ask me and there is still the 'getting hauled off' argument. As for home you can always drop a concrete anchor eye bolt into your driveway or garage and just throw a chain through it and your frame. I did this when I only had street level parking. Not sure the city would approve of what I installed in the side of their curb but what they dunno doesn't hurt me.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
Welp, I picked up those case protectors from Cycle Sector. I guess I'll see how it goes :ohdear:

orthod0ks
Mar 2, 2004
anger is a gift

Z3n posted:

Do you have fresh gas in there?

If it's stalling, give it more gas and slip the clutch more.

No, but I threw staybil in before I put it away for the winter. A buddy said he had a similar problem with his car, and fixed it by switching to ethanol free gas.

Can someone explain slipping the clutch? I've never driven a manual car, so maybe I just don't understand what you're saying.

orthod0ks fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Mar 13, 2010

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe
Ok, so you know your clutch handle, right? Squeeze it to the handlebar, the clutch is "in". Let it go, the clutch is all the way "out". Now, because of the way a clutch is designed, it's not quite binary. Imagine your bike's in first gear, and the clutch is all the way in. Now, slowly relax your grip on the clutch, so it moves farther and farther out. Eventually, you'll hit a point where the bike just barely wants to move forward a tad, but you can stop it with your feet and it won't stall out. You'll feel it want to move, though. This is the start of "slipping", I forget the actual name for this point. Anyway: it's still not binary! The clutch can slip for another few degrees of handle travel before it's entirely engaged. While it's between "not-engaged" and "engaged", you can rev the engine to provide more power, which will get you moving, and there's less chance of stalling it out due to the direct connection between wheel and engine as in "engaged".

If you have a rider training course available near you, they will definitely cover this, in an environment where it's safe(er) to experiment. Clutch control is one of the very basics of operating a manual transmission.

TiberiusM
Sep 10, 2006

Phy posted:

Eventually, you'll hit a point where the bike just barely wants to move forward a tad, but you can stop it with your feet and it won't stall out. You'll feel it want to move, though. This is the start of "slipping", I forget the actual name for this point. Anyway: it's still not binary! The clutch can slip for another few degrees of handle travel before it's entirely engaged. While it's between "not-engaged" and "engaged", you can rev the engine to provide more power, which will get you moving, and there's less chance of stalling it out due to the direct connection between wheel and engine as in "engaged".

If you have a rider training course available near you, they will definitely cover this, in an environment where it's safe(er) to experiment. Clutch control is one of the very basics of operating a manual transmission.

MSF calls it the Friction Zone, dunno if thats the actual term for it.

FuzzyWuzzyBear
Sep 8, 2003

TiberiusM posted:

MSF calls it the Friction Zone, dunno if thats the actual term for it.

That's a pretty standard term everybody uses referring to the range of travel in the clutch that causes it to engage with the transmission.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

orthod0ks posted:

No, but I threw staybil in before I put it away for the winter. A buddy said he had a similar problem with his car, and fixed it by switching to ethanol free gas.

Can someone explain slipping the clutch? I've never driven a manual car, so maybe I just don't understand what you're saying.

Stabil helps but you need to get fresh gas in there before you start diagnosing poo poo.

Blaster of Justice
Jan 6, 2007

by angerbot

unSavory posted:

I unfortunately can't help orthod0ks, but I do have a similar problem to his.

I just recently got my Honda Rebel ('09) back out on the road, after sitting for a while over the winter. It ran fantastic for the first two days, and then today it's started dying on me at random intervals. Once at a stoplight, three times on the highway, and once cruising at around 35mph.

I have no idea what the problem could be, because when I turn the bike back on, it idles great. No sputters or kicks, just a smooth perfect idle, then I apply some throttle, even the teeny tiniest bit, and the engine dies. After a minute of working the throttle back and forth and swearing and screaming in traffic, the bike will start and ride like usual, but only for a short time (I think the longest today was ten miles).

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

Fuel filter is cogged (located in your petcock) or your float valve hangs. It's also possibly that your tank ventilation is blocked. Do you have a vacuum in the gas tank if you remove the tank cap after it stalls?

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Time to fix my loving leak but need HALP


Ok, here is our problem area:



The o-ring around the gear selector shaft.




Now, I'm back to the same place I was before starting my Euro trip. Back then I had cut out all the rubber bits but the metal bit was not moving a micron. So I cut the rubber bits out of the new gasket, glued it on with gasket goo and rode 4000 miles with a mere 4.5 quarts leaking out. So the red bits are the remains of the gasket goo and the metal ring nearest to the shaft is the lip of the oil seal. The lip is tiny but the oil seal itself continues inwards as a cylinder for about half an inch.

How in the gently caress do I get it out? I'm going to have to pull the selector shaft right? :(

Blaster of Justice
Jan 6, 2007

by angerbot

Ola posted:

How in the gently caress do I get it out? I'm going to have to pull the selector shaft right? :(

You've got pretty much the same setup as my GT750s, although Suzuki apparently learned not to let the gear indicator stick out enough to let you bleed to death in a nanno second if you have a chain drop.

That aside, I've tried everything. That seal is easy to remove from the inside, and that means a tear down. I've done that regularly (3 times per decade per bike) and just routinely changed that seal amongst other.

Once I was really hardcore about not tearing down my gearbox for changing that godamn seal, I visited a pro. Lo and behold - a shift shaft seal removal tool does exist. I even saw it in action. I can't find it online anywhere though. Maybe a dealers-only-tool?

However, if you aim to keep the bike, a tear down might be in place. Consider the bleeding from the shift shaft seal an indicator. Several other parts in your engine is most likely crying just as bad.

Blaster of Justice fucked around with this message at 17:45 on Mar 13, 2010

ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003
So last night I was fixing the knocking in my clutch and everything went as according to plan except for when I put it all back together. Now when the bike is in gear, the rear wheel wont' move. Just sticks in place. It's the strangest thing. I couldn't have possibly seized my engine by spinning the wheel a couple times (rolling it out of the way of a car) with the bike in gear....could I have?

Edit - I have yet to put oil back into the bike and I definitely have not started it since I opened up the crankcase cover.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Ola posted:

How in the gently caress do I get it out? I'm going to have to pull the selector shaft right? :(

I changed the leaking shift shaft seal on my RD350 without splitting the cases. It was a matter of getting a pick set (much like these) and pulling it out.

I dont know that your bike is exactly the same, but its worth a shot I guess. Make drat sure the shift shaft is spotlessly clean before you pull the old seal out, or you'll be pushing a ton of gunk into your motor when you put the new one on.

Chairon
Aug 13, 2007
I once was a man. Well,I suppose I still am.

ari.gato posted:

So last night I was fixing the knocking in my clutch and everything went as according to plan except for when I put it all back together. Now when the bike is in gear, the rear wheel wont' move. Just sticks in place. It's the strangest thing. I couldn't have possibly seized my engine by spinning the wheel a couple times (rolling it out of the way of a car) with the bike in gear....could I have?

Edit - I have yet to put oil back into the bike and I definitely have not started it since I opened up the crankcase cover.

Can you turn the engine by hand? Or maybe when you were putting the bike back together the gears for the clutch basket, driven gear, etc aren't meshed properly and locking up on something. You could also have something blocking the gears from moving. I very much doubt the engine seized, that just sounds silly. Just look at it again, try to find where it's binding up.

ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003

Chairon posted:

Can you turn the engine by hand? Or maybe when you were putting the bike back together the gears for the clutch basket, driven gear, etc aren't meshed properly and locking up on something. You could also have something blocking the gears from moving. I very much doubt the engine seized, that just sounds silly. Just look at it again, try to find where it's binding up.

I can't turn the engine by hand either. I think when I put the cover back on over the friction / clutch plates, it locked up then. I'll look there first. I'm going to tear the clutch down again in an hour or so and see if starting over fixes the issue. God down heavily with the carbs two weeks ago, now going to be a clutch expert. Hooray.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

ari.gato posted:

So last night I was fixing the knocking in my clutch and everything went as according to plan except for when I put it all back together. Now when the bike is in gear, the rear wheel wont' move. Just sticks in place. It's the strangest thing. I couldn't have possibly seized my engine by spinning the wheel a couple times (rolling it out of the way of a car) with the bike in gear....could I have?

Edit - I have yet to put oil back into the bike and I definitely have not started it since I opened up the crankcase cover.

Did you offset the plates correctly? Usually one is rotated one set of teeth on the clutch basket, or one clutch plate is slightly different.

Gnomad
Aug 12, 2008

Ola posted:

Time to fix my loving leak but need HALP


Ok, here is our problem area:



The o-ring around the gear selector shaft.




How in the gently caress do I get it out? I'm going to have to pull the selector shaft right? :(

Northern winters are best used for tearing down bikes and other needed chores so you don't have to gently caress with it during riding season.

I don't know if it's getting any warmer in your neck of the woods, it sure doesn't seem to be here, but you should be able to get the engine out, cases split and back together before riding season. It reallly is that time. Time to swap that out. Or maybe the Snap-On truck has something that will work, if you have a Snap-On truck there.

ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003

Z3n posted:

Did you offset the plates correctly? Usually one is rotated one set of teeth on the clutch basket, or one clutch plate is slightly different.

Took the plates all out at the same time (not individually) and put them back the same way. I'll break out the clymers and see if I can put them back in order individually. Maybe that will do it.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Got the fucker out. Had to pull the clutch and it was such a treat of good design solutions. I even got to caress my crank and peer beneath my #4 piston. I'll make a thread for it as I've taken quite a few pics and have more fixes to come!

Shemp The Mighty
Sep 16, 2004

Semper Ubi, Sub Ubi
Can a windshield cause a bike to become unstable over 40 mph? I put a small spitfire windshield on, and I had to fight to keep the drat thing on the road. The day is a little windy, but it almost felt like I had a ton of air pushing me off the side of the road.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Shempt_The_Mighty posted:

Can a windshield cause a bike to become unstable over 40 mph? I put a small spitfire windshield on, and I had to fight to keep the drat thing on the road. The day is a little windy, but it almost felt like I had a ton of air pushing me off the side of the road.

If it clamps to your triple-t, then sure. Wind would put additional torque into your steering as if you were turning the handlebars.

2ndclasscitizen
Jan 2, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post

ari.gato posted:

So last night I was fixing the knocking in my clutch and everything went as according to plan except for when I put it all back together. Now when the bike is in gear, the rear wheel wont' move. Just sticks in place. It's the strangest thing. I couldn't have possibly seized my engine by spinning the wheel a couple times (rolling it out of the way of a car) with the bike in gear....could I have?

Edit - I have yet to put oil back into the bike and I definitely have not started it since I opened up the crankcase cover.

I've never been able to move the rear wheel of a bike that was in gear. The engine's compression stops it. Also, put oil in it before you try and turn anything. The engine oil lubricates the gearbox and you really shouldn't spin it un-lubricated.

ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003

Z3n posted:

Did you offset the plates correctly? Usually one is rotated one set of teeth on the clutch basket, or one clutch plate is slightly different.

So I tore down the clutch again and it seems like the clutch plates / friction plates were just sticking together. I had the bike sitting without oil for a week (crankcase cover in place of course) so maybe it dried out? :iiam:

Once I put it all back together, I noticed when the clutch/friction plates mashed together, it wouldn't move, but when they weren't really touching, or barely touching, the wheel would spin just fine. I put the whole thing back together (paying close attention to the Clymers to be ABSOLUTELY sure I did it correctly), covered it, and poured fresh oil back into the crankcase.

In Neutral, I can roll it fine, in 1st gear I can't roll it, but when I pull the clutch lever in fully, it slowly unsticks and rolls freely until I let the clutch lever out and then it sticks shut again. I'm going to go grab a bite for lunch and see if it fixes itself while I'm gone.

Z3n
Jul 21, 2007

I think the point is Z3n is a space cowboy on the edge of a frontier unknown to man, he's out there pushing the limits, trail braking into the abyss. Finding out where the edge of the razor is, turning to face the darkness and revving his 690 into it's vast gaze. You gotta live this to learn it bro.

ari.gato posted:

So I tore down the clutch again and it seems like the clutch plates / friction plates were just sticking together. I had the bike sitting without oil for a week (crankcase cover in place of course) so maybe it dried out? :iiam:

Once I put it all back together, I noticed when the clutch/friction plates mashed together, it wouldn't move, but when they weren't really touching, or barely touching, the wheel would spin just fine. I put the whole thing back together (paying close attention to the Clymers to be ABSOLUTELY sure I did it correctly), covered it, and poured fresh oil back into the crankcase.

In Neutral, I can roll it fine, in 1st gear I can't roll it, but when I pull the clutch lever in fully, it slowly unsticks and rolls freely until I let the clutch lever out and then it sticks shut again. I'm going to go grab a bite for lunch and see if it fixes itself while I'm gone.

That's pretty standard, clutch plates drag pretty bad when the bike is off. It should roll freely in neutral and be difficult to push around in gear with the clutch pulled in and impossible if it's in gear with the clutch out.

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ari.gato
Aug 13, 2003

Z3n posted:

That's pretty standard, clutch plates drag pretty bad when the bike is off. It should roll freely in neutral and be difficult to push around in gear with the clutch pulled in and impossible if it's in gear with the clutch out.

Sweet! I did it correctly then. I guess my clutch wasn't functioning properly before I tore it down. Another point for me. Awesome!

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