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enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!
I hit a pretty game breaking bug tonight. I save pretty often, but I have a tendency to let autosave do the work when I'm just hunting and sharpshooting and stuff. After about an hour of those types of things, I notice that the game will not let me set up camp. Then flower locations start to flicker in and out of sight, just appear, disappear, repeat for infinity. And this is all flower. Then I notice all Store and housing locations are no longer showing up on the map and I cannot use the beds to save in my houses. I quit and reload, since the game said it had been auto saving and I had just finished a challenge not five minutes earlier. Turns out the game wasn't autosaving...at all...for the past hour and a half.

Anyway, is it normal to have like six bears cluster around each other pretty much all the time? Almost every time I see one bear, I see at least three more. I used my camp once, saved, and the resumed only to have EIGHT loving BEARS RIGHT ON TOP OF ME. Oh yeah, and there were three cougars in that mix too. Guess what, I killed every last one of those fuckers and even knifed the last bear to death to get the challenge and the achievement. It felt pretty bad rear end.

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Brightman
Feb 24, 2005

I've seen fun you people wouldn't believe.
Tiki torches on fire off the summit of Kilauea.
I watched disco balls glitter in the dark near the Brandenburg Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like crowds in rain.

Time to sleep.
Okay, how do you get on top of the roof of the general store in Armadillo? I keep getting shot by guys up there in gang matches, and I can't figure out how to get any higher than the second story balcony.

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4
Quick list of random event missions and bugs I had last night:

Has anyone had the random event where (only spoilered if you REALLY want to experience everything for yourself) there's a dude that's set up camp with a scraggy dog and he sees you and says "come any closer and I'll blow this bastard's brains out! I swear!". You don't seem to get any reward for saving the dog, and then the little fucker just comes after you until you kill it.

Also, in Mexico, I keep coming across a guy who is trying to get his mule to move more quickly. He has it on a lead of sorts and is walking by it and keeps telling it to VAMOS and ANDELE and so on. It looks like a sort of random event but I don't know what to do with it. The reason it seems more like something you can interact with properly is because the subtitles actually pop up when the guy talks, which only happens with people of significance that you can interact with.

I also saw the flying man bug for the first time. Love it. Shot him out of the sky aswell, but didn't survive for long enough to see if I could collect his man-feathers.

enigmahfc posted:

EIGHT loving BEARS

Yeah, they seem to knock about in threes or fours for some reason.

Oh yeah, which reminds me. In tall trees I came across a horse with no mount and a guy tied up on the back, just at random. I untied the dude and he ran off, only to be mauled by a bear.

Seriously, if you fast travel in this game a lot, just try scooting around for a bit. Do the survivalist challenges. poo poo happens out there in the wilderness, sometimes more poo poo than in the towns and on the roads.

Influenza posted:

I loved the game, and was just dumbstruck ENDGAME when John went home to his family...and the game continued. I had fun doing those little family missions, but each new mission filled me with increasing dread, as even without reading spoilers, I knew bad things HAD to be coming for Mr. Marston. When he died, and then the game STILL wasn't over, Rockstar won my love and respect forever. What a great way to handle the endgame.

Funnily, I played the main game pretty straight to the way it's written, with John trying his best to be a good guy, racking up fame and honor. But I'm playing the postgame+ like a sociopath. I think the story actually supports this, and it's remarkably satisfying.

Just had to quote this to say I agree with everything in this post and I also played through exactly as you did, including postgame+. It really does fit so nicely with the story / themes of the game.


EDIT: Sorry, I have a MILLION things to say about this game. I also saw a pack of wolves attacking a bear. After a good couple of minutes fighting, The bear took two down and the wolves ran away. Then they all came after me. Big mistake.

Gazmachine fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jun 15, 2010

El Seano
Dec 30, 2008
Yesterday when I was playing I was roaming about Mexico making the long journey back to De Santa after that train mission. Anyway I'd lost my mount and suddenly in a clearing there was a dead body on the floor by a horse and a man apparently looting his body. I strolled up expecting him to stop and he didn't. So seeing nobody was around I levelled my shotgun at his face and he drew and pointed at me but didn't fire. About ten seconds pass and I fire and kill him, loot both bodies, take his horse and leave. No honor lost, no bounty.

So the question, what the gently caress happened before I arrived and who was the guy?

Influenza
Nov 28, 2000

It's angry at the room. It wants the room to suffer.

El Seano posted:

Yesterday when I was playing I was roaming about Mexico making the long journey back to De Santa after that train mission. Anyway I'd lost my mount and suddenly in a clearing there was a dead body on the floor by a horse and a man apparently looting his body. I strolled up expecting him to stop and he didn't. So seeing nobody was around I levelled my shotgun at his face and he drew and pointed at me but didn't fire. About ten seconds pass and I fire and kill him, loot both bodies, take his horse and leave. No honor lost, no bounty.

So the question, what the gently caress happened before I arrived and who was the guy?

He was my father, you bastard.

It's just one of the oddball random events you stumble across in the game. Those events truly are genius, as they encourage you to avoid fast travel as much as possible and actually experience the game world. I feel bad for people who say that zipped through the game in 8 minutes or whatever; they completely missed out on the immersion this world offers if you let it.

EDIT: I whistled for my horse yesterday, and it launched off a cliff like an old west Evel Knievel and died at my feet.

(I propose that every post end with a weird ingame event. I bet everyone who's played it for more than a few hours has at least a dozen of them.)

Influenza fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jun 15, 2010

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



One of the oddest random events I saw was a guy sitting by a bloodied corpse crying and drinking heavily. The guy eventually stops crying, cradles up and dies. It was so surreal!

Shirkelton
Apr 6, 2009

I'm not loyal to anything, General... except the dream.
My favourite is the guy who invites you to come and sit down with him at his camp.


And if you walk closer he pulls out his gun and shoots you right in the loving face. Usually flat out killing you. Otherwise, you'll kill him and find that there's a shitload of bones and blood around and someone tied up next to him that you can free.

Influenza
Nov 28, 2000

It's angry at the room. It wants the room to suffer.

Dan Didio posted:

My favourite is the guy who invites you to come and sit down with him at his camp.


And if you walk closer he pulls out his gun and shoots you right in the loving face. Usually flat out killing you. Otherwise, you'll kill him and find that there's a shitload of bones and blood around and someone tied up next to him that you can free.

The events are cool in that almost all of the "hostile" events have a corresponding "nice" event. There are plenty of camps that don't shoot you, but just want to tell you stories. And some of the women by stage coaches are bait for an ambush, but others actually launch an escort mission, or need to be rescued from bandits. You eventually learn to tell the difference, but at first it does actually make you pause and wonder which one you're facing.

EDIT: Now that I'm in the postgame+ trying for 100%, every time Ira Shelton snidely asks me if I'm any good with shootin iron and claims to be the best shot in the west, I prove him wrong by riding a fair distance away and then turning and shooting him in the face. Then I loot his body.

ShineDog
May 21, 2007
It is inevitable!
My weirdest moment so far was catching the carriage for the first time, the one at the train station in the middle of nowhere near where seth has you take him to his buddy near the beginning.

So I dismount my horse, and tell the driver to take me to armadillo, and he gets his horses moving, pulling across the train tracks into the path of the train arriving at the station. The train slowly grinds into the the carriage and pushes it along and over. Most of the horses die, bolt, or fall into the earth. I am ejected from the carriage and scuttle away from the train

The carriage is forced into a space it doesnt fit in, between the platform and possibly a rock and it and the driver are fired about 5000 miles into the air. The train is now waiting at the station.

I decide to take the train.

The train pulls away, and I notice something at the front. Some debris from the carriage? A dead horse?

I get up from my seat and wander to the front of the train, discovering my own horse, who I had left at the station, standing atop the coal wagon, chilling out as the train weaved through the hills.

I giddyuped that mother fucker off the side of the train, action style, but it died when it hit the ground.

Oh well!

Gazmachine
May 22, 2005

Happy Happy Breakdance Challenge 4

El Seano posted:

Yesterday when I was playing I was roaming about Mexico making the long journey back to De Santa after that train mission. Anyway I'd lost my mount and suddenly in a clearing there was a dead body on the floor by a horse and a man apparently looting his body. I strolled up expecting him to stop and he didn't. So seeing nobody was around I levelled my shotgun at his face and he drew and pointed at me but didn't fire. About ten seconds pass and I fire and kill him, loot both bodies, take his horse and leave. No honor lost, no bounty.

So the question, what the gently caress happened before I arrived and who was the guy?


We will never know. Dead men tell no tales.

shadok
Dec 12, 2004

You tried to destroy it once before, Commodore.
The result was a wrecked ship and a dead crew.
Fun Shoe

Cao Ni Ma posted:

One of the oddest random events I saw was a guy sitting by a bloodied corpse crying and drinking heavily. The guy eventually stops crying, cradles up and dies. It was so surreal!

There are a few variations of this. The one I encountered not far from the McFarlane ranch was a man weeping over a woman's corpse. As I approached to see what was going on, he pulled out his pistol and shot himself. I'm told there's another version where the woman shoots herself over her man's body.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

El Seano posted:

Yesterday when I was playing I was roaming about Mexico making the long journey back to De Santa after that train mission. Anyway I'd lost my mount and suddenly in a clearing there was a dead body on the floor by a horse and a man apparently looting his body. I strolled up expecting him to stop and he didn't. So seeing nobody was around I levelled my shotgun at his face and he drew and pointed at me but didn't fire. About ten seconds pass and I fire and kill him, loot both bodies, take his horse and leave. No honor lost, no bounty.
Just to be clear, I think nothing happened beforehand, the event spawns with the man dad. When I got the event, I shot the graverobber with Marston shouting, "You disgust me!" Then looting both bodies.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Influenza posted:

The events are cool in that almost all of the "hostile" events have a corresponding "nice" event. You eventually learn to tell the difference, but at first it does actually make you pause and wonder which one you're facing.

Wait, there are "nice" versions of the stagecoach lady and the horse thieves asking for rides? I've never encountered either of those, I guess the closest is encountering actual stagecoach robberies in progress (rather than the aftermath with the bandits waiting in the brush). Every single time someone yells after me for a ride it ends with them stealing it and me shooting them in the face. Or it starts with me shooting them in the face and ends with me shooting them in the face again.

About the guy looting another guy in Mexico, I'm betting it was a Federale that killed an innocent man and was robbing him. It seems like the game actually takes misdeeds of NPC's into account when deciding if killing them is dishonorable. They don't have to be a "Bad Guy" in order to be a bad person, and if you kill someone who's in the act of doing something despicable the game doesn't take honor away. Or something like that. It's like when you kill the guys who're trying to stab a whore, before or after the deed.

Edit: Or it was a graverobber, that too...

Brightman
Feb 24, 2005

I've seen fun you people wouldn't believe.
Tiki torches on fire off the summit of Kilauea.
I watched disco balls glitter in the dark near the Brandenburg Gate.
All those moments will be lost in time, like crowds in rain.

Time to sleep.
I had someone ask me for a ride and steal my horse...in front of the saloon in Armadillo after I had already hitched it.

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

Tewratomeh posted:

Wait, there are "nice" versions of the stagecoach lady and the horse thieves asking for rides?
Yes, there are actual people who will ask for rides and you can escort them to the nearest town while robbers swarm and shoot at you. It's a little strange that it's so much rarer than the criminal variants.

KungfooMF
Feb 21, 2002


It is true that fast traveling causes you to miss so much of the game. But by the end, after you've saved the 30th woman from bandits, or you've returned 30 stolen wagons and horses, or you've heard 50 different stories by campfires, or you've shot 100 birds out of the air for $18... using fast travel can be forgiven.

Although I do like that camping/fast traveling is a hassle. I almost never did that.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

Timeless Appeal posted:

Yes, there are actual people who will ask for rides and you can escort them to the nearest town while robbers swarm and shoot at you. It's a little strange that it's so much rarer than the criminal variants.

Well then, to the poor horseless bastards who asked a stranger for a ride, only to be met with buckshot between the eyes...


...sorry?

Hamburlgar
Dec 31, 2007

WANTED
What are the current (non-full) Meta tags on XBL?

I would love to play some extreme freeroam with some goons :)

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

KungfooMF posted:

It is true that fast traveling causes you to miss so much of the game. But by the end, after you've saved the 30th woman from bandits, or you've returned 30 stolen wagons and horses, or you've heard 50 different stories by campfires, or you've shot 100 birds out of the air for $18... using fast travel can be forgiven.
Even then, there are some random events I didn't get like the helpless victim looking for a ride, or the wagon full of dynamite that needs to be brought to the nearest weaponry while bandits and bumpy roads threaten to blow the whole thing up till the third act/endgame.

V It's happened to me twice compared to the couple of dozen times I've been scammed by the wagon lady, or the handful of times I've had my horse stolen. V

Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Jun 15, 2010

Fudgement Day
Mar 30, 2007
Keep On Walkin In The Free World

Timeless Appeal posted:

Yes, there are actual people who will ask for rides and you can escort them to the nearest town while robbers swarm and shoot at you. It's a little strange that it's so much rarer than the criminal variants.

I've never seen that, and I always stop. Then again I only got the stagecoach heist thing once and that was after I finished the story.

danifestmestny
Jun 11, 2003

Lincecum, Cain, and pray for rain

Fudgement Day posted:

I've never seen that, and I always stop. Then again I only got the stagecoach heist thing once and that was after I finished the story.

Same here re: stagecoaches but I've had a handful of escort missions.

One thing is bothering me: I'm in the postgame and trying to 100% everything. To get one of the outfits (Reyes' Rebeldes?) it says I have to finish the stranger mission "Love is the Opiate." Unfortunately this mission has never been available to me. Is it just a matter of time and maybe hanging out where it begins more often or am I screwed?


edit: Hanging out in El Matadero (where the mission starts) is all it took. Phew.

danifestmestny fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 15, 2010

Stare-Out
Mar 11, 2010

I had issues finding that too because I thought it would show up on the map no matter where I was, but eventually I was hanging out in El Matadero and had the question mark pop up on my map. I suggest looking there.

Robot Hobo
May 18, 2002

robothobo.com

danifestmestny posted:

One thing is bothering me: I'm in the postgame and trying to 100% everything. To get one of the outfits (Reyes' Rebeldes?) it says I have to finish the stranger mission "Love is the Opiate." Unfortunately this mission has never been available to me.
It's not just you. I've finished the game and played for a few hours after, and I still haven't gotten any of the West Elizabeth stranger missions to even appear. (aside from "I Know You.") I was wondering if it's because I fast travel too much, but I've done a lot of just wandering about since the ending, and nothing. The only stranger mission I have available anywhere is "Daedalus and Son," and that's only because I haven't gotten around to finding the last two beaver pelts I need.

Or more to the point I did find the pelts I needed, and was immediately raped by wildlife that I didn't see coming. Twice. Nothing worse than kneeling down to skin a kill, only to look over Marston's shoulder and see two or three cougars running up from behind during the skinning animation, and you can't do anything but wait for inevitable mauling.

Robot Hobo fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jun 15, 2010

BerkerkLurk
Jul 22, 2001

I could never sleep my way to the top 'cause my alarm clock always wakes me right up
Huh, I guess roping and hogtieing everyone in the saloon is considered an agressive act. Kind of obvious in retrospect.

Remmiz
May 3, 2009

GRUUUUUUMMBLES!

ShineDog posted:

The train pulls away, and I notice something at the front. Some debris from the carriage? A dead horse?

I get up from my seat and wander to the front of the train, discovering my own horse, who I had left at the station, standing atop the coal wagon, chilling out as the train weaved through the hills.

I had this same thing happen to me. I was chilling on the train and kept hearing a horse neigh. Except it wouldn't stop the train was out in the middle of the desert. I go up to the front and lo-and-behold is my horse just standing with the train conductor.

However when I tried to mount him I felt into the train and was stuck there. I could dismount though and since the horse was still stuck in the train my only option was to put him down. :( Then I slaughtered the conductor with a shotgun and killed everyone else on board with my knife.

Pees With Boner
Jun 7, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post
I like accepting those "Howdy pard'ner! Think you can outshoot me/race me to collect poo poo? Let's make it a contest! :) " challenges and then waiting for the guy to turn around and immediately shooting him in the head

I've also been having fun launching dynamite missiles at birds. Infinite dead-eye/ammo and dead-eye level 2 cheats help with that.

As for the stranger missions everyone is talking about, there are some where you need to do certain strangers before you can do others. This is a pretty sweet guide I found for it all, don't know if it's been posted but it's what I used since SA threads tend to move way too fast and the OPs don't tend to get updated. All the stranger missions have spoilers in them but I just really couldn't bring myself to care about the little cutscenes or whatever. I never did "I Know You," I guess I could still do it with my pre-ending save but :effort:

TheCrimsonCricket
Feb 3, 2006
gently caress snakes.

I got 100%, and the game says I've killed 25 bears and 18 cougars (I don't know if that counts the level 10 challenge ones). I haven't died to either one of them yet. For some reason though, snakes loooove to spawn right in front of me at the worst times. I seriously lost count how many times I got killed because I ran over a snake in the middle of a bounty, or my horse got killed.

Oddly enough, I haven't even run into any glitches, other than that Eva lady getting duped. But loving snakes are EVERYWHERE in my game.

The funniest bit was the little snake that spawned in the middle of El Matadero. NPC's kept walking over, shrugging at the bodies, and stepping on it. I stayed there for almost ten minutes as it killed again and again. I was going to kill it, but after it had killed 10 people I just walked away. Respect.

Palleon
Aug 11, 2003

I've got a hot deal on a bridge to the Pegasus Galaxy!
Grimey Drawer
I've asked this before, but I'm still having a lot of trouble with it, so going to ask again: How do you actually knock someone out? I know it involves punching them, then being able to tackle them to the ground and hitting them, however, I can't ever get that to happen. In about 20 bar fights I've started, I've only gotten the prompt to take them down once.

The last time I asked, someone said just to hit them 3 times, however, I've done that a lot, and nothing happens. I've even hit them all 3 times 3 consecutive times, and they drop down to the ground for a few seconds, but just get back up, I cannot for the life of me get the prompt to tackle them to show up. Is there some trick to it, do you have to be a certain distance away, do you need to be away from walls, there has to be some consistent way to make it happen that I just can't figure out.


Edit: For the person who said that "Love is the Opiate" isn't showing up, while this may not be an issue for you, you have to finish "Poppycock" first.

Palleon fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jun 15, 2010

Naked Chainsaw
Jul 14, 2004

Walkin' on sunshine
I think my favorite random encounter is the one with the guys in a camp with TNT barrels all around. I was scouring the area in Diez Coronas looking for plants and come across the TNT camp. One guy asks for a light (at least from what I could tell with my 8th grade Spanish class skills) and then boom, both guys go ragdolling fifty feet into the air. One of the funniest moments in the game.

Remmiz
May 3, 2009

GRUUUUUUMMBLES!
One of the best moments I had was one of those horse robbing people were running at me so I pulled out my shotgun but before I could aim she just fell to the ground and died. Very confused I walked over to her corpse to find a rattlesnake at her feet. Karma is a bitch :smug:

RedneckwithGuns
Mar 28, 2007

Up Next:
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Naked Chainsaw posted:

I think my favorite random encounter is the one with the guys in a camp with TNT barrels all around. I was scouring the area in Diez Coronas looking for plants and come across the TNT camp. One guy asks for a light (at least from what I could tell with my 8th grade Spanish class skills) and then boom, both guys go ragdolling fifty feet into the air. One of the funniest moments in the game.

If you come across one of these camps and are an rear end in a top hat like me that usually blows them up, doing it from a hundred or more yards away or thereabout using a rifle will blow them up but not cost you honor because you're too far away apparently. :)

El Seano
Dec 30, 2008
Ohhhhhhhhh De Santa you double crossing bastard you are sooooooooo dead.

This storyline is throwing me all sorts of awesome curveballs I loving love it. Also I got off my horse to skin a wolf pack I'd slaughtered earlier and BAM fuckin' cougar to the face outta nowhere.

THIS.

GAME.

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

Getting 100% never felt so gooooood. :c00l:

Now I just gotta get on those MP achievements and this game is in the bag.

e: also, I'm playing a black hat now that ENDGAME SPOILERS I'm playing as Jack and I've taken to killing lawmen who chase criminals through the desert, and you get new dialogue. Usually I would blow away/hogtie the criminal and the marshals would thank me and either spit on the criminals corpse/execute him, but now Marston says "you were probably innocent, right?" to the criminal after you help him out. Awesome.

ruddiger fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Jun 15, 2010

Fudgement Day
Mar 30, 2007
Keep On Walkin In The Free World

Naked Chainsaw posted:

I think my favorite random encounter is the one with the guys in a camp with TNT barrels all around. I was scouring the area in Diez Coronas looking for plants and come across the TNT camp. One guy asks for a light (at least from what I could tell with my 8th grade Spanish class skills) and then boom, both guys go ragdolling fifty feet into the air. One of the funniest moments in the game.

I got this up in Tall Trees, since they weren't pointing guns at me I just went on my way, a few seconds later I heard the boom and went back to investigate. I wish I'd caught all the action, but this way was funny too.

Fudgement Day fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jun 15, 2010

The Viper
Oct 4, 2009
One really fun little thing is, if your horse gets robbed by one of those people who ask for help, you can whistle and the horse will rear and throw the person off.

Never gets old.

Mylan
Jun 19, 2002



I thought the social club 100% bug was supposed to be fixed with the last patch? My page still says 77% done with a bunch of retarded poo poo like I've only seen 4 locations, 0 strangers, stuff like that. Doesn't really matter I guess, just kinda annoying.

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Hell yeah, just knifed a bear without using any bullshit tactics like shooting it in the legs first.

sirbeefalot
Aug 24, 2004
Fast Learner.
Fun Shoe

The Viper posted:

One really fun little thing is, if your horse gets robbed by one of those people who ask for help, you can whistle and the horse will rear and throw the person off.

Never gets old.

This is one of the first games that has met just about every instance of "They should let me do X in the game world" with me actually being able to do it. That's been one of the most enjoyable parts for me.

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.
Trying to rack up the $5000 bounty without resorting to cheap tactics (i.e. keeping on the move, no hiding on roofs) proves to be a highly entertaining timewaster. Just now I tried in the Blackwater, and ended up in the bank, surrounded by tons of lawmen. Tried to make my way out and went down in a blaze of glory. I'm gonna rack up 10 hours of gametime with that alone, I just know it.

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Sco Dylan
Feb 27, 2003

Help me help you

Palleon posted:

I've asked this before, but I'm still having a lot of trouble with it, so going to ask again: How do you actually knock someone out? I know it involves punching them, then being able to tackle them to the ground and hitting them, however, I can't ever get that to happen. In about 20 bar fights I've started, I've only gotten the prompt to take them down once.

The last time I asked, someone said just to hit them 3 times, however, I've done that a lot, and nothing happens. I've even hit them all 3 times 3 consecutive times, and they drop down to the ground for a few seconds, but just get back up, I cannot for the life of me get the prompt to tackle them to show up. Is there some trick to it, do you have to be a certain distance away, do you need to be away from walls, there has to be some consistent way to make it happen that I just can't figure out.


Edit: For the person who said that "Love is the Opiate" isn't showing up, while this may not be an issue for you, you have to finish "Poppycock" first.

Knocking them down counts as a knockout. It really should be called a knockdown to avoid confusion. There is no way to actually knock them out so they stay down.

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