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Nannypea
Feb 20, 2006

Faster, you naughty little monkey!
Woo Hoo! I saw the neurologist yesterday and she didn't have a problem with me taking Adderall with my seizure meds. She said the latest studies didn't show a correlation between seizures and the drugs. Woo Hoo!

I'm currently taking 15mg in the AM and 20mg about 4.5 hrs later. This seems to be working well.

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YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
I don't know how prescription poo poo works in the ol' US of A but a Concerta generic became available here in Canada just in the past few months. Legally it counts as 'interchangeable' but there's been reports bubbling up that it's not real good at the 'time release' or 'long lasting' part.

Jannsen Ortho is currently running a 'co-pay assist program' to pay the difference in price for people who stick with Concerta.

Is this normal for prescription drugs? I've only been on Concerta for about a month now, I don't really know how the pharmaceutical industry works yet.

hello internet
Sep 13, 2004

Are there people here that have taken adderall and didn't like it but have no problem taking ritalin/concerta? I had horrible side affects from both ritalin and concerta but absolutely not a single side affect from adderall.

zacfinchum
Sep 10, 2003
ASK ME ABOUT SPEWING STUPID BULLSHIT IN THE MILITARY SUBFORUM EVERY FORUM

hello internet posted:

Are there people here that have taken adderall and didn't like it but have no problem taking ritalin/concerta? I had horrible side affects from both ritalin and concerta but absolutely not a single side affect from adderall.

Kinda funny, I've taken adderall and it felt like the medicine was FORCING me to get stuff done. There was no option to be lazy or tired, it was impossible, and the crash was always rear end.

Ritalin on the other hand, is a wonder drug for me. The ONLY problem I have with it is a (tolerable) tolerance, it doesn't work as well as it did from the beginning, but it still definitely 100% works. I have 0 side effects, I can sleep if I want to, I still get hungry and eat, but have increased confidence, less social anxiety, and more motivation to do the things that I need to do. I regret not being on it years ago.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

hello internet posted:

Are there people here that have taken adderall and didn't like it but have no problem taking ritalin/concerta? I had horrible side affects from both ritalin and concerta but absolutely not a single side affect from adderall.

Generic, short acting ritalin made me constantly gasp for air. It hard to describe - it wasn't an asthma flare up, but it did make me feel 'air hungry' all the time. So I was constantly yawning just to get anything in. A very uncomfortable feeling.

Concerta didn't have that, but for a while, I was on Wellbutrin. Wellbutrin + any stimulant made my spasticity way, way worse, to the point where I could barely move without excruciating pain, even on my anti-spasmodic drug. Same thing happened with Adderall and Strattera.

When I got off the Wellbutrin, Adderall was the first drug we tried again, and as long as I stick at my baby dose of 5mg a day, I get enough of the drug to function without the horrible depression. However, we may revisit the other drugs if I need more or a different treatment. And my depression went away for the most part, thank God.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

zacfinchum posted:


Ritalin on the other hand, is a wonder drug for me. The ONLY problem I have with it is a (tolerable) tolerance, it doesn't work as well as it did from the beginning, but it still definitely 100% works. I have 0 side effects, I can sleep if I want to, I still get hungry and eat, but have increased confidence, less social anxiety, and more motivation to do the things that I need to do. I regret not being on it years ago.

I am 22 and got the diagnosis a year ago.
I started Ritalin a few weeks ago on very small doses and it works like this except: I don't get hungry, its harder to sleep, the first few times I got a very light headache afterwards and if I didn't eat a lot after taking it I would get a worse than normal stomach ache.

Oh I love this thread.

Christian Mingle
Sep 11, 2005
I was recently diagnosed with ADD, and started taking 15mg of Adderall XR generic last Thursday. I'm... not sure how I'm supposed to feel. I can certainly concentrate and focus a bit better and feel calmer and I like how my brain finally "shuts up" but I'm still find myself zoning out at inappropriate times and taking naps during the day. How do I know if I need to increase my dose? Should I consider switching to the name brand? Does that matter?

SmokaDustbowl
Feb 12, 2001

by vyelkin
Fun Shoe
Adderal pretty much kicks rear end.

SmokaDustbowl fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Jun 22, 2010

fatnerd
Sep 15, 2005
clownpenis dot fart
I don't know if anything's been said about this yet. But masturbation, jerking off.

Do you beat off excessively? I don't know if I have ADD, but I have lots of anxiety and feel manic all the time. Like I'll be trying to clean the bathroom and cook dinner and feed the dog and play with the cat and clean my room and do laundry and check craigslist on the computer and email on my phone and look for something I know I lost, but don't remember what it is and it feels like my brain is going to explode. The only thing that brings me back from just totally losing myself in racing thoughts and multi-tasked-to-death activities is sitting down and jerking it. It lets me focus on something for longer than 2 minutes. Although I switch between different porn constantly, never watch more than a minute or two of any video at a time. I usually masturbate at least twice a day. I get very antsy if I don't. Even if I have a girlfriend and getting laid I still need to do this.

Also I used to smoke a TON of weed to help slow down my thoughts. I'm trying to quit now though because it really just makes me more paranoid and anxious and insecure. I've taken Adderal illegally and it was great, made me feel focused and motivated, but sound judgment still intact. On a similar note, I love stimulants even though I tend to do reckless and self-destructive poo poo without thinking of the consequences when I'm on them. To me Adderal feels like MDMA/extasy minus the total eupohoria or a lot like meth/speed which I guess it pretty much is the medical equivalent. Feels much cleaner, no teeth grinding, or chain smoking. I also have to drink a shitload of energy drinks to focus at all at work.

I'm seeing a shrink right now, he seems to think all my problems are due to alcohol/drugs, but I've told him they're solutions to other problems. Mostly depression, social awkwardness, insomnia, self-destructive behavior, etc. My last shrink thought I might be bipolar. Can you be bipolar and ADD? How do you seperate racing thoughts of bipolar from the mile a minute but going nowhere ADD thought process?

Maybe I'm just another whiny internet self-diagnoser, but sometimes I can't sleep at night because I forgot a word and I can think of 100 things similar to it, but not that word, which I don't even know why I need to know this word or why I'm thinking about it all. Last night it was "terracotta." Why should I be thinking about terracotta when I'm just trying to get some sweet merciful sleep? When I go into work the next day dead tired and hating humanity I can't tell my boss it was because I was up all night stressing about goddamn terracotta

Anyway just seeing a thread full of posts that look like they were taken from my own mind is comforting in a way that surprised me.

fatnerd fucked around with this message at 13:54 on Jun 19, 2010

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

fatnerd posted:

I don't know if anything's been said about this yet. But masturbation, jerking off.

Do you beat off excessively? I don't know if I have ADD, but I have lots of anxiety and feel manic all the time. Like I'll be trying to clean the bathroom and cook dinner and feed the dog and play with the cat and clean my room and do laundry and check craigslist on the computer and email on my phone and look for something I know I lost, but don't remember what it is and it feels like my brain is going to explode. The only thing that brings me back from just totally losing myself in racing thoughts and multi-tasked-to-death activities is sitting down and jerking it. It lets me focus on something for longer than 2 minutes. Although I switch between different porn constantly, never watch more than a minute or two of any video at a time. I usually masturbate at least twice a day. I get very antsy if I don't. Even if I have a girlfriend and getting laid I still need to do this.

Also I used to smoke a TON of weed to help slow down my thoughts. I'm trying to quit now though because it really just makes me more paranoid and anxious and insecure. I've taken Adderal illegally and it was great, made me feel focused and motivated, but sound judgment still intact. On a similar note, I love stimulants even though I tend to do reckless and self-destructive poo poo without thinking of the consequences when I'm on them. To me Adderal feels like MDMA/extasy minus the total eupohoria or a lot like meth/speed which I guess it pretty much is the medical equivalent. Feels much cleaner, no teeth grinding, or chain smoking. I also have to drink a shitload of energy drinks to focus at all at work.

I'm seeing a shrink right now, he seems to think all my problems are due to alcohol/drugs, but I've told him they're solutions to other problems. Mostly depression, social awkwardness, insomnia, self-destructive behavior, etc. My last shrink thought I might be bipolar. Can you be bipolar and ADD? How do you seperate racing thoughts of bipolar from the mile a minute but going nowhere ADD thought process?

Maybe I'm just another whiny internet self-diagnoser, but sometimes I can't sleep at night because I forgot a word and I can think of 100 things similar to it, but not that word, which I don't even know why I need to know this word or why I'm thinking about it all. Last night it was "terracotta." Why should I be thinking about terracotta when I'm just trying to get some sweet merciful sleep? When I go into work the next day dead tired and hating humanity I can't tell my boss it was because I was up all night stressing about goddamn terracotta

Anyway just seeing a thread full of posts that look like they were taken from my own mind is comforting in a way that surprised me.

Ask the doc if you can try Ritalin it is like cheat codes for life.

zacfinchum
Sep 10, 2003
ASK ME ABOUT SPEWING STUPID BULLSHIT IN THE MILITARY SUBFORUM EVERY FORUM

Slaapaav posted:

Ask the doc if you can try Ritalin it is like cheat codes for life.

This made me laugh, I'm stealing this, my friend.

Effexxor
May 26, 2008

fatnerd posted:


I'm seeing a shrink right now, he seems to think all my problems are due to alcohol/drugs, but I've told him they're solutions to other problems. Mostly depression, social awkwardness, insomnia, self-destructive behavior, etc. My last shrink thought I might be bipolar. Can you be bipolar and ADD? How do you seperate racing thoughts of bipolar from the mile a minute but going nowhere ADD thought process?


I too faced the issue of whether or not I was bipolar. The simple answer is that my swings were waaay too fast and, while they're intense, they're a matter of minutes and hours, not days or weeks, and they can be switched on and off way too easily. Apparently it's a pretty common misdiagnosis. Yeah, a lot of people with ADHD share some symptoms with being manic, but they just don't last long enough.

As for the substance use, I'm a pretty avid weed smoker myself. Granted, it does a hell of a lot more for my depression than my ADHD, but it does keep me from thinking too much when all I want to do is sleep. I had a breakdown after I got kicked out of college, and was pretty honest with the psychologists there that I smoked, and had smoked before I admitted myself because it was the only way I could calm myself down long enough to get to a safe place. Sure enough, I got lectures on substance abuse almost constantly. I got the same thing about how weed was causing ALL of my issues, despite the fact that I've struggled with ADHD and depression long before I started smoking. It's a pain in the rear end, but find a psychologist/psychiatrist who'll actually start addressing why you're self medicating. My current psychiatrist literally instructed me to try and only smoke when I'd done everything I needed to for the day, as a reward, and has never judged me, only worked with me.

But yeah, masturbation is pretty darn soothing.

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

Effexxor posted:

I too faced the issue of whether or not I was bipolar. The simple answer is that my swings were waaay too fast and, while they're intense, they're a matter of minutes and hours, not days or weeks, and they can be switched on and off way too easily. Apparently it's a pretty common misdiagnosis. Yeah, a lot of people with ADHD share some symptoms with being manic, but they just don't last long enough.


Weed is pretty bad if you are depressed, but I did a lot to help my ADD brain stick to one track at the time. On the other hand Weed + lack of impulse control/ mad mood swings can give some loving terrifying bad trips

Ritalin completely eliminates these insane mood swings for me and makes me feel like a different person.

Effexxor
May 26, 2008

Slaapaav posted:

Weed is pretty bad if you are depressed, but I did a lot to help my ADD brain stick to one track at the time. On the other hand Weed + lack of impulse control/ mad mood swings can give some loving terrifying bad trips

Ritalin completely eliminates these insane mood swings for me and makes me feel like a different person.

It all depends on how it affects you, definitely. I get spacier on weed, much happier and calmer, but definitely spacier. If I'm going to work, there's no way I can smoke for at least 2 hours before, because otherwise I'm completely out of it. For me, it helps, because I know how it affects me and how to work with it.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


I was diagnosed with ADHD on Monday. I was previously diagnosed when I was much younger--second grade? It was long enough ago that it was still widely believed that ADHD disappeared around puberty, and that there was no treatment needed beyond taking Ritalin. I quit taking the medicine right before high school, and things have not been good at any time since.

Reading through this thread, I've been impressed by the number of posts that I could have written. I've spent a long time thinking that I was lazy, or weak, or somehow morally deficient. Now I see that it's a neurological issue, and I'm in the process of shifting my self image. I guess that's a good thing when it's over, but it's not pleasant. I'm definitely thankful that I have a good therapist for this.

I have an appointment to be prescribed some medicine, but it's not for another four weeks. I have some books to read, and I'm trying to get caught up in the other stuff I have going on, but it's going to be a long wait. Are there any things I should be doing in the meantime?

zacfinchum
Sep 10, 2003
ASK ME ABOUT SPEWING STUPID BULLSHIT IN THE MILITARY SUBFORUM EVERY FORUM
I don't really know why people suggest weed for ADD/ADHD because weed lasts all of 45 minutes to one hour. Then after that I don't know a soul that can stay focused after coming down from a weed high, you just feel hungry tired and definitely not charged with energy and focus.

Rushputin
Jul 19, 2007
Intense, but quick to finish

zacfinchum posted:

I don't really know why people suggest weed for ADD/ADHD because weed lasts all of 45 minutes to one hour. Then after that I don't know a soul that can stay focused after coming down from a weed high, you just feel hungry tired and definitely not charged with energy and focus.

I guess weed is like meds in that it effects different people in different ways. I've also heard at least one friend who was diagnosed with ADHD say that it helps him study, but for me that's true for a few special cases at best. Certain kinds of lectures that deal with abstract issues did feel easier to follow for me when I tried it, but the memory problems probably balance that out.

However, you should look for better weed if an hour is the maximum for you, a tightly rolled joint makes me useless but definitely keeps me stoned for at least two hours.

Also, while I wouldn't recommend it for ADHD (and "recommending" weed is just as questionable as recommending specific medication), it can be a huge relief during depression. If you're so down in the dumps that you're unable to enjoy anything and do anything contructive anyway, the ability to at least have some fun with a good movie or game again for an evening can go a long way to make you less miserable.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

ultrafilter posted:

I have an appointment to be prescribed some medicine, but it's not for another four weeks. I have some books to read, and I'm trying to get caught up in the other stuff I have going on, but it's going to be a long wait. Are there any things I should be doing in the meantime?

I take it that you're in school? I'd talk to your counselor or your Disabled Student Services department about improving Time Management and Study skills. Medicine will help, but these may help you get through the next few weeks, and can also help once you find a medication that works.

I did the exact same thing (at least with time management) a few months ago, and it does help, even with the Adderall.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Qu Appelle posted:

I take it that you're in school? I'd talk to your counselor or your Disabled Student Services department about improving Time Management and Study skills. Medicine will help, but these may help you get through the next few weeks, and can also help once you find a medication that works.

I did the exact same thing (at least with time management) a few months ago, and it does help, even with the Adderall.

That's a good idea. Thanks.

Effexxor
May 26, 2008

You may only be actively stoned for 45 minutes (though I agree that with good stuff it's more like two hours) but its still in your system. I've recently had a dry spell and for the first time in a while, I haven't been able to smoke every other day or so. And yeah, there's a big difference. I've written a new phone script at work, planned an hour long briefing on the progessive stance on illegal immigration and have been so freaking hyper on the phone that I've worried people. I'm super productive but I can't 'check out' and it's been hard. The Adderall keeps me focused and whatnot, but I still can't get my mind to just stop and breathe. I've been exercising, doing yoga, trying to meditate etc. trying to get my mind to stop and while they help, it's not the same. I have to say, I didn't know that I was self medicating this much and that it was having such an effect on me.

It's almost scary that it makes me feel so much better. It's not physically addictive, but I've seen how people self medicating with weed can become psychologically addicted to it. I guess I'm just going to have to monitor how much and when I'm using it, and to be careful to give myself more breaks off of it.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

ultrafilter posted:

That's a good idea. Thanks.

No problem!

If anything, now that you have an official diagnosis, you can also qualify for various accommodations that can help, such as longer test taking time, taking it in a quiet room, getting an extension on a class, etc. I've gotten extensions on a few classes in college, and it saved my butt.

Effexxor
May 26, 2008

Qu Appelle posted:

I've gotten extensions on a few classes in college, and it saved my butt.

Do this. Seriously. I wish that I had just sucked up my pride and done that, I may have actually had a chance.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


It's a little bit more complicated for me because I'm in grad school and classes aren't really the issue, but I definitely need better time management skills.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

ultrafilter posted:

It's a little bit more complicated for me because I'm in grad school and classes aren't really the issue, but I definitely need better time management skills.

Disability Services may have other things that can help, one of which is probably time management issues. But you are right - Grad School is a completely different beast than Undergrad, and you are different than me. You may need help that I didn't and vice versa.

TheGopher
Sep 7, 2009
Sorry, wall of text in an ADHD topic, the irony...

As somebody already mentioned, this topic was like reading pages and pages of my own posts.

I just went and finally saw a psychiatrist again about my ADHD, after years and years of feeling like I didn't have it because I didn't respond well to ritalin for a few years and the extended release concerta. I'm not sure why I didn't respond to these medications, maybe because I didn't really want to focus on anything in school because in middle school I was way more focused on computers and becoming socially accepted (thank you elementary school for getting teased into trauma, no really) than I was on doing my homework. For me, my ADHD kinda has gotten more and more brutal over the years, as I was a great student in elementary school, only missed a few homework assignments here and there. Meh in middle school, but I had a lot of help from different teachers and tutors to get me through 7th and 8th grade. In high school I didn't even get C's my freshman year, even with some medication, so you can kinda figure how the next couple of years went. My senior year my counselor almost let me drop out so I could take the GED later, but luckily some parental intervention and an amazing counselor bumped me to the top of a waiting list for a continuation high school. I showed up 8am-1pm everyday, with no homework, only to go home and have my life consumed by World of Warcraft. The WoW addiction went on for a couple of years, but that's out of my life and I'm still working on getting rid of the bad habits it developed.

I've tried several times to go [back] to college, without finishing a single semester, though I did get a month away from finishing a really interesting english class. The teacher was amazing and totally understanding because she was more focused on teaching people than having people reaffirm her interest in her subject area by turning in homework with lots of assignments put in. For all of you other people in here, how the hell did you guys get through college, and some of you post-grad with ADHD? I did grow up as the ADHD poster child though, so maybe I just have a bad case.

My biggest problems have been staying focused on ANYTHING for more than a week at a time. New job? Bored in week, fired in a month (no really, ask me about all the jobs I've gotten fired from, including the ones where I told them I had ADHD and they didn't even care and thought I was just a drama queen). New hobby? Bored in a week with hundreds of wasted dollars. I have literally struggled through everything I've done, the entire time ridden with guilt because everybody just pinned me as lazy, and I accepted that for a long time.

I think the best example I have of ADHD affecting me was a week-long assignment I had in 6th grade. I actually sat down and tried working on it a couple of times iirc, only to be frustrated and not understand the question. The due-date came, and I decided I really wanted to be a good student in middle school so I told my teacher I'd use one of my late passes to turn it in. I worked really hard on it over the weekend, despite not really understanding what the questions were asking me. I mean, intellectually I knew what they were asking, but when I went to write an answer it never came out right, and I got flustered but persevered through the entire thing. I turned it in the next day and got an F on it, despite spending so much time on it. Queue the next few years of hundreds of assignments going similarly or not at all, because half the time I wouldn't do my homework because avoiding it was easier. There were only a handful of times where I'd turn in an assignment, get it back and have done a good job on it and get that feeling of satisfaction. Even then the feeling was so foreign I didn't respond well to it, and even with things like people praising me for a job well done for things like playing piano I shunned because I wasn't used to positive attention.

Anyway, long gay rant, I don't usually talk about my ADHD (thanks to years of denial and missed opportunities for mentors to intervene, but meh) but when I was reading through this topic last night I felt relieved, overjoyed, and the same kinda feeling you get when you want to cry about something happy. Just the feeling of knowing all these problems I've had over the years isn't just me being a complete lazy failure and gently caress-up, is just overwhelming. It's at perfect moment too because I'm almost out of money and have been so hesitant looking for another job because I know it'd just end with me getting fired for not working hard enough. Finally just have an opportunity to piece my life back together and not give up 20 minutes in because it feels hopeless. I could literally write pages on my frustrations with this stupid disease over the years, but I wont bore you guys. If you have questions I'm pretty open to answering almost anything.

On a final note, I've been having a couple of side-effects with the Adderall, namely jaw clenching. I know the dry mouth tends to stick around, which just started today with the 15mg dose, but will the jaw-clenching? My jaw's starting to get sore. I've only been on Adderall for like 5 days, so maybe I just need to get adjusted to it?

Flillia
Mar 21, 2006

TheGopher posted:

On a final note, I've been having a couple of side-effects with the Adderall, namely jaw clenching. I know the dry mouth tends to stick around, which just started today with the 15mg dose, but will the jaw-clenching? My jaw's starting to get sore. I've only been on Adderall for like 5 days, so maybe I just need to get adjusted to it?

The jaw-clenching went away for me but it doesn't for everyone. If your problem is clenching, it might help to keep a piece of gum or a lollipop in your mouth. Chewing gum for too long can lead to sore jaws too but it might help to break you of the habit

zacfinchum
Sep 10, 2003
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TheGopher posted:

On a final note, I've been having a couple of side-effects with the Adderall, namely jaw clenching. I know the dry mouth tends to stick around, which just started today with the 15mg dose, but will the jaw-clenching? My jaw's starting to get sore. I've only been on Adderall for like 5 days, so maybe I just need to get adjusted to it?

You never mentioned how well the adderall is working for you I don't think, unless I missed it. I started taking Concerta about a month ago, and while it was amazing at first, I seem to have built up a tolerance or some poo poo. I can literally rail 40mg of ritalin and go to bed, what the gently caress?

TheGopher
Sep 7, 2009

zacfinchum posted:

You never mentioned how well the adderall is working for you I don't think, unless I missed it. I started taking Concerta about a month ago, and while it was amazing at first, I seem to have built up a tolerance or some poo poo. I can literally rail 40mg of ritalin and go to bed, what the gently caress?

I did forget to mention it, it's been working wonders. I had my A+ test on Friday, and on thursday for the first time since I started studying for it, I was able to pay attention to the material for more than a maximum of an hour at a time, realistically 15-20 minutes. I actually went 2.5 hours of study in the morning, short lunch, and then another three hours with only a couple of breaks for snacks/water. Ramped up from 5mg twice a day to 15mg twice a day. Going back to the doc in a couple of weeks and I'll be better able to say then what my effective dose will be.

Flillia posted:

The jaw-clenching went away for me but it doesn't for everyone. If your problem is clenching, it might help to keep a piece of gum or a lollipop in your mouth. Chewing gum for too long can lead to sore jaws too but it might help to break you of the habit

I'll try both suggestions, as the clenching is only happening when I'm not paying attention. If I consciously relax my jaw for a little bit, all's gravy until 20 minutes later when I got a death lock going on.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


TheGopher posted:

For all of you other people in here, how the hell did you guys get through college, and some of you post-grad with ADHD? I did grow up as the ADHD poster child though, so maybe I just have a bad case.

I got through my undergraduate degrees (both of them) pretty much because I could always understand complex concepts and interrelationships between things really well, but usually got burned out and hosed over by the details, or by some stupid little error on the exam (skipping a multiple choice question on a scantron and not realizing it, etc). I also would tend to do really, really well on the first exam or two in a course (like curve-breakingly well) and progressively lose interest as the semester went on but was carried by my earlier grades - sometimes a final push or generous curve would let me get an A in the class anyway, but I got a lot of B's and C's in courses in which I had the top score on the first exam. It also helped that the exams were multiple choice - essay exams were and continue to be the bane of my existence. I just don't do well with timed formal writing like that.

Seriously, in classes where the professors would discuss exam results and class statistics, my scores invariably went down on each exam while the class averages went up each time. This was no matter how much I tried to "study" or how much effort I put into it. Only after I was diagnosed and began treatment was I able to sustain even a remote level of interest in a class from beginning to end.

TheGopher
Sep 7, 2009

Sekhmet posted:

I got through my undergraduate degrees (both of them) pretty much because I could always understand complex concepts and interrelationships between things really well, but usually got burned out and hosed over by the details, or by some stupid little error on the exam (skipping a multiple choice question on a scantron and not realizing it, etc). I also would tend to do really, really well on the first exam or two in a course (like curve-breakingly well) and progressively lose interest as the semester went on but was carried by my earlier grades - sometimes a final push or generous curve would let me get an A in the class anyway, but I got a lot of B's and C's in courses in which I had the top score on the first exam. It also helped that the exams were multiple choice - essay exams were and continue to be the bane of my existence. I just don't do well with timed formal writing like that.

Seriously, in classes where the professors would discuss exam results and class statistics, my scores invariably went down on each exam while the class averages went up each time. This was no matter how much I tried to "study" or how much effort I put into it. Only after I was diagnosed and began treatment was I able to sustain even a remote level of interest in a class from beginning to end.

How did you get your homework done, or were you lucky enough to go to a school where it was only mid-terms + finals that counted for your grades? Inevitably I always fall behind on the homework, and despite almost always doing really well on tests (well for classes that don't require a ton of outside studying, like math) I'd always get hosed and would just lose interest and stop showing up.

It's strange you say you don't do well with essay tests, because writing, while sometimes laborious, is pretty easy once you get the hyperfocus going. Granted, I write a lot better on the computer when I can bounce all over the page and add in details exactly where they need to go, but even on paper it was never that hard. Maybe I didn't get far enough in college to notice this, however.

Sekhmet
Nov 16, 2001


TheGopher posted:

How did you get your homework done, or were you lucky enough to go to a school where it was only mid-terms + finals that counted for your grades? Inevitably I always fall behind on the homework, and despite almost always doing really well on tests (well for classes that don't require a ton of outside studying, like math) I'd always get hosed and would just lose interest and stop showing up.

Yeah, no real "homework" in upper division science courses, which were the only courses I did better than mediocre in. Anatomy lab was the only real trainwreck - the lab practicals were basically the bane of my existence. Sooooo much memorizing without being to go into the lab after hours and actually physically handle specimens. Here's hoping being medicated and having after-hours access can help me through them in vet school. :gonk:

I had issues with homework too when in compulsory education - I was the only kid in gifted class who repeatedly got comments from the gifted teacher that I consistently failed to turn in assignments.

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It's strange you say you don't do well with essay tests, because writing, while sometimes laborious, is pretty easy once you get the hyperfocus going. Granted, I write a lot better on the computer when I can bounce all over the page and add in details exactly where they need to go, but even on paper it was never that hard. Maybe I didn't get far enough in college to notice this, however.

I can't hyperfocus at will. I'm currently in the midst of writing my thesis, and it's basically done in huge chunks of inspiration where I'll churn out 8-9 pages at a time and then not look at it again for a week and a half. Once I actually finish a part, it's really quite good.
My problem with timed essays is that I can't manage the time well. In my first graduate course here, I was doing really well in the class, had a pretty solid A going into the final, but as it was a department-run core class, the grading was department-mandated and the timed essay final exam was worth 40% of the grade. It was such that we went into a computer room and were given a set of 4 essay questions and 6 short answer questions. We were then told to select 2 essay questions and spend 30 minutes each on them and 4 short answer questions to spend 15 minutes each on. At the two hour mark, when everyone else was long finished, I had completed 2 essays and 2 short answer questions and was incoherently in the "jump around the page and write down ideas" phase of the third short answer question. The professor felt bad for me and let me at least write SOMETHING for the 4th short answer question so that he didn't have to take off a full 12.5% for not doing it. Obviously I scored rather poorly on the two that I hadn't "finished" but was given extra credit for my very thorough answer on one of the essays, pretty much so that I could stay at an A- in the class at least. Also, I scored very well on the quant/verbal portions of the GRE, twice...but both times got an analytical writing score in the 41st percentile. Timed writing. :sigh:

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


Oh man, didn't notice this thread until now. I can relate with just about 9/10th that's written here. Until my diagnosis I thought I just really had a messed up brain and that my best bet was to just find a way to tolerate it and find workarounds.

I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, the kind that's not so hyperactive on the outside*. Everything is taking its sweet time. I live in Holland, and there is a massive waiting list. I signed up last september, and now I'm on the verge of getting a medical exam that supposedly should really kick off the treatment. However, this won't be until, dun dun dunnn, this september!

Yerp, a year has blown by....

I've told my councelor that this is really taking its toll on my patience, and she agrees but can't do anything about it. At least oficially. Unoficially, she suggested that I could try to let my GP give medication in the meantime -IF- he is comfortable with this AND has experience.


Which brings up the next part: the meds in Holland are so limited, its infuriating. The main choices are:

-ritalin
-Concerta
-Dexedrine

That's it. no XR/XL versions of the first and latter either! This kinda makes concerta my only shot, as I really really cannot do what is required to time the doses perfectly with that grey matter of mine that passes for a mind, and my job really does not permit me to sit out the rebounds in case I misstime.

So... should I try going to the GP or just wait it out? And when I do finally get my medication(one way or the other), what are my options if Concerta doesn't do its thing?

It's especially the latter that is really worrying me. :(


*Mostly, its just my mind is always doing... stuff. Daydreaming, conversations(past, potential future ones) etc. But sometimes, when really deep in thought(brainstorming or whatever) I start moving around. Oddly enough I seem to have enough self control to keep this in check when not in private.

does anyone else have these sort of sporadic "classic" ADHD symptom flare-ups while normally falling in one of the other catagories?


fake edit: look at all that blabla, jesus. I had to proofread it twice just to oh hey, a kitty.

flavaaDAAAAAVE
Jun 2, 2008
I've just gotten diagnosed and prescribed Adderall. 15 mg XR with 5 mg IR when needed. I forgot to ask the doc, is there anything to worry about with mixing this and coffee? I love my specialty blends and faggy iced mochas so I hope it's not a big deal.

edit - I asked the pharmacist about this and he said "it might make it less effective. it might make it more effective." and shrugged. Thanks.

flavaaDAAAAAVE fucked around with this message at 16:17 on Jun 30, 2010

Kneel Before Zog
Jan 16, 2009

by Y Kant Ozma Post
So whats that one side effect you hate the most from taking ADHD meds?

Slaapaav
Mar 3, 2006

by Azathoth

Kneel Before Zog posted:

So whats that one side effect you hate the most from taking ADHD meds?

Never feeling hungry. If I don't think about eating I can go a whole day without eating while never feeling hungry.

Paramemetic
Sep 29, 2003

Area 51. You heard of it, right?





Fallen Rib

flavaaDAAAAAVE posted:

I've just gotten diagnosed and prescribed Adderall. 15 mg XR with 5 mg IR when needed. I forgot to ask the doc, is there anything to worry about with mixing this and coffee? I love my specialty blends and faggy iced mochas so I hope it's not a big deal.

edit - I asked the pharmacist about this and he said "it might make it less effective. it might make it more effective." and shrugged. Thanks.

The pharmacist is right on both counts. The acidity could gently caress with absorption (don't drink orange juice or grapefruit juice within an hour of taking it on either side) but it's a stimulant. I find it to boost the effect of the Adderall. Cigarettes, too. Fast and shallow, that's how I like my pulse. Hehe

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

flavaaDAAAAAVE posted:

I've just gotten diagnosed and prescribed Adderall. 15 mg XR with 5 mg IR when needed. I forgot to ask the doc, is there anything to worry about with mixing this and coffee? I love my specialty blends and faggy iced mochas so I hope it's not a big deal.

edit - I asked the pharmacist about this and he said "it might make it less effective. it might make it more effective." and shrugged. Thanks.

I found that mixing Adderall with caffeinated drinks exacerbated the bad effects of the stimulant, without hindering the good effects. So I'd get really jumpy and jittery, and also get a racing pulse. But, I'd also still be able to think and be patient, wait in line, etc. It makes me feel like physically I'm going to explode or jump out of my skin or something, it's a very uncomfortable feeling. So, I try not to do it. However, I always have a weak black or green tea in the afternoon, because I take another drug, Baclofen, in the afternoon and that's a sedative.

One ironic thing? My caffeine tolerance has gone down through the floor. And caffeine? Really not an adequate substitute for the Adderall. I forgot to take it on Monday, so I tried to compensate with a double latte and a couple of iced teas throughout the day. Yeah, that didn't work out so well - I was hiiiiiiiigh. At least I didn't have to do anything at work.

One advantage to all the frou frou drinks is that there are decaf versions, though those may have a trace of caffeine in them. Better yet, just stop drinking them all the time, and have them once in a while for an awesome treat.

Qu Appelle
Nov 3, 2005

"If a COVID-19 pandemic occurs, public health officials may have additional instructions, such as avoiding close contact with others as much as possible, and staying home if someone in your household is sick." - Official insights from Public Health: Seattle & King County staff

Kneel Before Zog posted:

So whats that one side effect you hate the most from taking ADHD meds?

The rebound depression when the drug wears off. Oh hell that poo poo was bad.

TheGopher
Sep 7, 2009

flavaaDAAAAAVE posted:

I've just gotten diagnosed and prescribed Adderall. 15 mg XR with 5 mg IR when needed. I forgot to ask the doc, is there anything to worry about with mixing this and coffee? I love my specialty blends and faggy iced mochas so I hope it's not a big deal.

edit - I asked the pharmacist about this and he said "it might make it less effective. it might make it more effective." and shrugged. Thanks.

I was having some really intense jaw-clenching the first few days. I read that caffeine exacerbates the side effect so I had to stop drinking coffee. Nasty headaches for the first few days but I think I kicked the caffeine addiction nice and good. Still having some jaw clenching but it never is to a point where it's uncomfortable. I miss coffee, so delicious :x

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flavaaDAAAAAVE
Jun 2, 2008
I love coffee sooo much. I'm going to miss it a lot. Actually right now I'm still having a little coffee in the morning and I'm OK, but I'm also on a low dose so that might change in the future. Drinking a latte in the afternoon though? Out of the question.





Qu Appelle posted:

The rebound depression when the drug wears off. Oh hell that poo poo was bad.

Did this go away because you switched meds or does that go away on its own after a while?



fake edit- I want to apologize for using the word faggy in my other post. I thought about it later and actually felt bad... About a post.. On the internet...


Seriously though. I need to drop that from my vocab.

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