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Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


ChibiSoma posted:

Ohhh my god I've never been so bored by a game in my life.

I dunno if it's the old west setting, the clunky controls, or the fact that the game starts off as slow as any game ever possibly could. But good god drat. How long does this fuckin' thing take to get moving at a reasonable pace? I've mostly been dicking around since god only knows where missions are. Done all the stuff I can do in Armadillo for now, so the only thing is Bonnie's poo poo, and herding may be the most tedious, awful thing in any game ever. I thought the regular, small herd was bad. Then we hit the big group of cows and my desire to play completely fell out. It doesn't matter that it's easy, it's loving boring.

I really do want to like the game. The voice acting's great, the story seems like it has legs, and I enjoy the combat. But anything that doesn't involve one of those things can just suck a dick.

Am I stuck doing bland-rear end farm work until more story stuff opens in Armadillo? Should I just ride around messing with the yahoos in the country? Become an outlaw? Anything to spice things up. I rented the game, and that was a good move on my part, because this definitely isn't my type of thing. There's a good game under all this junk, I guess it's just pushing through all that junk to reach it's the problem. What kind timeframe here, goons? At what point do things really pick up the pace and get moving?

Edit: Add 'gently caress hostage missions' to this. Seriously, what the hell. Yeah, this is a great mechanic. One hostage dies, you start over. I guess I save my bullet time for the one holding a gun to the lady's head. But given you lower your gun when you open the door, that gives you a very short time frame to raise, click, aim, and shoot.

You're what, two missions into the game? Goddamn, give it some time

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fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Vile posted:

Hi I'm on live now and would like to free roam / coop / anything. Gamertag : j0hn mccaln

I'll send you a friend request John. I've played MW2 with you a bunch, I'll hit you up for some RDR too.

Ainsley McTree posted:

You're what, two missions into the game? Goddamn, give it some time

But I want it loving NOW. I still don't get why people go into this game expecting GTA: SA though, especially after GTAIV went all "realistic."

fennesz fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jun 27, 2010

Bloodcider
Jun 19, 2009
I'll take the ranch work over the endless "Fight waves of Mexicans" that takes up the entire second part of the game. At least it's something different.

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Bloodcider posted:

I'll take the ranch work over the endless "Fight waves of Mexicans" that takes up the entire second part of the game. At least it's something different.

I loved the whole "slow start" and Mexico was my favorite area of the game. :colbert:

I still don't get all of the hate over it, it easily has the best setting of anywhere in the game and you get to (mexico spoilers)kill a lot of corrupt mother fuckers, run with an old legend and help the people fight for freedom. Not to mention Reyes and Ricketts are the two truest bros in the game. I was a little disappointed that there was no more interaction with Ricketts or Marshall Johnson at the end though.

Bloodcider
Jun 19, 2009
I didn't really have anything against it, per se. It was just a whole lot more desert and a whole lot more shooting people. Every line of missions was a wild goose chase just like "Hey, Imma find that guy for you. Do me a favor first?"
"No"
"Come on"
"Okay"
[mission done]
"So, found him yet?"
"Nah"

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Bloodcider posted:

I didn't really have anything against it, per se. It was just a whole lot more desert and a whole lot more shooting people. Every line of missions was a wild goose chase just like "Hey, Imma find that guy for you. Do me a favor first?"
"No"
"Come on"
"Okay"
[mission done]
"So, found him yet?"
"Nah"

Yeah, I enjoyed the Mexico missions but you're right, they're barely related to the plot of the game. It kind of feels like John shoehorns reminders of the plot into his conversations but it doesn't really work. It's like:

"Let me remind you friend, I don't work for you, I'm just here for Williamson and Escuella"
"sure, sure, now go defend that train from the rebels"
"YOU ARE ALL MUERTO"

monoptic
Apr 8, 2004

MAGNICIFENT!

ChibiSoma posted:

Ohhh my god I've never been so bored by a game in my life.

I dunno if it's the old west setting, the clunky controls, or the fact that the game starts off as slow as any game ever possibly could. But good god drat. How long does this fuckin' thing take to get moving at a reasonable pace? I've mostly been dicking around since god only knows where missions are. Done all the stuff I can do in Armadillo for now, so the only thing is Bonnie's poo poo, and herding may be the most tedious, awful thing in any game ever. I thought the regular, small herd was bad. Then we hit the big group of cows and my desire to play completely fell out. It doesn't matter that it's easy, it's loving boring.

I really do want to like the game. The voice acting's great, the story seems like it has legs, and I enjoy the combat. But anything that doesn't involve one of those things can just suck a dick.

Am I stuck doing bland-rear end farm work until more story stuff opens in Armadillo? Should I just ride around messing with the yahoos in the country? Become an outlaw? Anything to spice things up. I rented the game, and that was a good move on my part, because this definitely isn't my type of thing. There's a good game under all this junk, I guess it's just pushing through all that junk to reach it's the problem. What kind timeframe here, goons? At what point do things really pick up the pace and get moving?

Edit: Add 'gently caress hostage missions' to this. Seriously, what the hell. Yeah, this is a great mechanic. One hostage dies, you start over. I guess I save my bullet time for the one holding a gun to the lady's head. But given you lower your gun when you open the door, that gives you a very short time frame to raise, click, aim, and shoot.

You herd things all of four times in this game for a grand total of less than 20 minutes, and you're barely an hour in to a 40-50 hour game. Herding isn't difficult or tedious in any way unless you're poo poo at riding. And I don't even know where the hell you are getting hostage missions. Most of them occur in a duel, and for hideouts all you need to do is take cover next to a door and you'll have a prompt to open it -- after which you can immediately pop out in to dead eye and headshot the target. It takes less than a second to do, hell, you can open the door while in dead eye.

As for all the talk about Mexico, Reyes is no bro of mine. :colbert:

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
If Red Dead Redemption was just a farm work and hunting simulator, it would still be an awesome game.

You know Yahtzee's review had the big complaint that all the gameplay seems to be for its own sake, but honestly I don't think that's a problem when any minigame or game mechanic is fun on its own. For me, dueling was the only thing close to disappointing, but I think it's still better than alternatives like making the thing a QTE.

Pussy Snorkel
Sep 12, 2008

With the Pussy Snorkel, any man can be a dive master.

Sco Dylan posted:

Just give it up, it's not your thing. I would wager a guess you don't like western movies or The Godfather type movies either.

Hell, I don't like western movies or the Godfather but I do like RDR.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!

dexplosivo posted:

As for all the talk about Mexico, Reyes is no bro of mine. :colbert:

Yeah, Reyes is a piece of poo poo. In many ways, he's even worse than De Santa and just as bad as the Colonel. We even find out later, to no surprise, that the New Boss is the same as the Old Boss (which made me feel pretty good about breaking into El Presidio later to slaughter a few of Reyes' soldiers in gruesome ways).

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

What a Judas posted:

Hell, I don't like western movies or the Godfather but I do like RDR.

You haven't been watching the right western movies.

Pussy Snorkel
Sep 12, 2008

With the Pussy Snorkel, any man can be a dive master.

ruddiger posted:

You haven't been watching the right western movies.

Nah, I just don't really like the theme. Usually.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


Tewratomeh posted:

Yeah, Reyes is a piece of poo poo. In many ways, he's even worse than De Santa and just as bad as the Colonel. We even find out later, to no surprise, that the New Boss is the same as the Old Boss (which made me feel pretty good about breaking into El Presidio later to slaughter a few of Reyes' soldiers in gruesome ways).

I think it all comes together at the end of the last (I think) Mexico mission, where after you kill Allende and Williamson (or Reyes does, whatever), Reyes says "Yes! Mexico is mine!" before slipping back into his "for the people" BS

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

dexplosivo posted:

You herd things all of four times in this game for a grand total of less than 20 minutes, and you're barely an hour in to a 40-50 hour game. Herding isn't difficult or tedious in any way unless you're poo poo at riding. And I don't even know where the hell you are getting hostage missions. Most of them occur in a duel, and for hideouts all you need to do is take cover next to a door and you'll have a prompt to open it -- after which you can immediately pop out in to dead eye and headshot the target. It takes less than a second to do, hell, you can open the door while in dead eye.

As for all the talk about Mexico, Reyes is no bro of mine. :colbert:

How is this lasting people 40 hours? I just killed Dutch and did 10 of the Stranger missions (the others haven't popped up yet) and I'm not even 15 hours in. Though, I am ignoring the challenges because those are more hassle than they're worth. I mean, it's a great game and all but I can't imagine how people are stretching it out that long.

Sco Dylan
Feb 27, 2003

Help me help you

What a Judas posted:

Hell, I don't like western movies or the Godfather but I do like RDR.

Yeah I was just being a dick. Although I do think one would enjoy this game more if they had a deeper appreciation for drama and such.

You can't go in expecting a flashing lights game like most others.

jvempire
May 10, 2009

RBA Starblade posted:

How is this lasting people 40 hours? I just killed Dutch and did 10 of the Stranger missions (the others haven't popped up yet) and I'm not even 15 hours in. Though, I am ignoring the challenges because those are more hassle than they're worth. I mean, it's a great game and all but I can't imagine how people are stretching it out that long.
Messing around on freeroam multiplayer.

Dr Geek
Jan 28, 2007

RBA Starblade posted:

How is this lasting people 40 hours? I just killed Dutch and did 10 of the Stranger missions (the others haven't popped up yet) and I'm not even 15 hours in. Though, I am ignoring the challenges because those are more hassle than they're worth. I mean, it's a great game and all but I can't imagine how people are stretching it out that long.

I spent days just doing the challenges and ignoring all the missions, so there's your answer.

Solly
Mar 21, 2005

That's a side effect of the marijuana poisoning.
While hunting the elusive cougars I came across a couple of guys unloading crates of dynamite, to celebrate a job well done they light up cigars, then the inevitable happens and they are blown to kingdom come taking out the cougar that was about to kill them anyway.

I love how this game keeps throwing random stuff at me even when I thought I'd finished it weeks ago. Anyone know what happens when you help transport dynamite, I was about to start the mission when I was cut down by a cougar with a mysterious limp.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Dr Geek posted:

I spent days just doing the challenges and ignoring all the missions, so there's your answer.

Ah. Just finished the story missions, but how do you get Remember My Family to show up? Play for a few days and wait?

e: Nevermind it popped up right as I typed this. Just finished it at 76% complete, about 18 hours total. Pretty good, the music and atmosphere was very fitting. Mexico seemed to drag on a bit too long, though, and the final mission wasn't as satisfying as I wanted it to be.

RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jun 28, 2010

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

To the nice person who sent me a message regarding multiplayer, I decided to duck out today because we got slammed again weatherwise. Two more tornadoes combined for five confirmed touchdowns in the last few weeks. One hell of a storm season so far.

Incendiary Pig
Nov 3, 2006

Totally out of control
Just finished. This is my favorite game.

ARMBAR A COP
Nov 24, 2007


Reading the newspapers after the game is finished really has some insight on what happened to some of the minor characters:


Reyes: Became a Tyrant himself and is screwing over the people

Seth: Found a ton of loving Gold and is doing alright :unsmith:

Irish: It says "Irish male came to his death by accidental discharge of a gun outside Thieve's Landing :smith:

Philip J Fry
Apr 25, 2007

go outside and have a blast
Jeb: married his horse :what:

ARMBAR A COP
Nov 24, 2007


Philip J Fry posted:

Jeb: married his horse :what:

:lol: I didn't catch that

ChibiSoma
Apr 13, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah, I think I'm done with this. Seriously, gently caress mounted combat. And escort missions. And anything combining the two.

So I'm at the part where you have to drive Seth to somewhere and he's routing through bodies in the back, looking for his damned map. Welp, not much to loving do against four guys flying all over the place. Bullet time's good against, oh, one of them. If they didn't respawn, it'd be one thing. But they do. In greater numbers. Failed the mission a couple times now and I don't think I really ought be driving that crazed fucker anywhere anymore. Sometimes, they loving spawn right at the start and just rock your poo poo before you get a chance to get anywhere!

Is there something I'm missing to this poo poo? I know there's a fairly hefty auto-aim, and I know it's on. But it don't mean squat if the enemies are behind you or moving so fast on either side of you that you can't hit a god drat thing and keep moving at speed/on the road and keep alive. If you slow down, you just get shot the hell up. You can't outrun them, since they'll just ride up alongside and shoot your rear end dead anyway. So what the gently caress am I supposed to do here? Shoot and pray? Keep on the road and just ignore them unless they are right on side of me?

I want to get through as much of the game as I can, since I want to see where it goes. I'm thinking I may just have to admit I suck too drat much for this and just watch a walkthrough to see the other stuff, though.

Ainsley McTree
Feb 19, 2004


ChibiSoma posted:

Yeah, I think I'm done with this. Seriously, gently caress mounted combat. And escort missions. And anything combining the two.

So I'm at the part where you have to drive Seth to somewhere and he's routing through bodies in the back, looking for his damned map. Welp, not much to loving do against four guys flying all over the place. Bullet time's good against, oh, one of them. If they didn't respawn, it'd be one thing. But they do. In greater numbers. Failed the mission a couple times now and I don't think I really ought be driving that crazed fucker anywhere anymore. Sometimes, they loving spawn right at the start and just rock your poo poo before you get a chance to get anywhere!

Is there something I'm missing to this poo poo? I know there's a fairly hefty auto-aim, and I know it's on. But it don't mean squat if the enemies are behind you or moving so fast on either side of you that you can't hit a god drat thing and keep moving at speed/on the road and keep alive. If you slow down, you just get shot the hell up. You can't outrun them, since they'll just ride up alongside and shoot your rear end dead anyway. So what the gently caress am I supposed to do here? Shoot and pray? Keep on the road and just ignore them unless they are right on side of me?

I want to get through as much of the game as I can, since I want to see where it goes. I'm thinking I may just have to admit I suck too drat much for this and just watch a walkthrough to see the other stuff, though.

You're either trolling or terrible at this game because I don't think I've ever heard of anyone ever having these problems. Mounted combat isn't too hard, the auto aim is pretty generous. Aim up slightly for a head shot or just plug them two or three times in the chest to knock them off their horse. If groups are giving you trouble, use deadeye. I'm not sure what your problem is there exactly, it isn't too tough to kill more than one guy in a deadeye session, that's kind of why it's there, actually.

Don't forget you have medicine for those occasions where you're going to die before your health regenerates. It's not too expensive, so make sure you stock up when you get the chance.

Sco Dylan
Feb 27, 2003

Help me help you

ChibiSoma posted:

Yeah, I think I'm done with this. Seriously, gently caress mounted combat. And escort missions. And anything combining the two.

So I'm at the part where you have to drive Seth to somewhere and he's routing through bodies in the back, looking for his damned map. Welp, not much to loving do against four guys flying all over the place. Bullet time's good against, oh, one of them. If they didn't respawn, it'd be one thing. But they do. In greater numbers. Failed the mission a couple times now and I don't think I really ought be driving that crazed fucker anywhere anymore. Sometimes, they loving spawn right at the start and just rock your poo poo before you get a chance to get anywhere!

Is there something I'm missing to this poo poo? I know there's a fairly hefty auto-aim, and I know it's on. But it don't mean squat if the enemies are behind you or moving so fast on either side of you that you can't hit a god drat thing and keep moving at speed/on the road and keep alive. If you slow down, you just get shot the hell up. You can't outrun them, since they'll just ride up alongside and shoot your rear end dead anyway. So what the gently caress am I supposed to do here? Shoot and pray? Keep on the road and just ignore them unless they are right on side of me?

I want to get through as much of the game as I can, since I want to see where it goes. I'm thinking I may just have to admit I suck too drat much for this and just watch a walkthrough to see the other stuff, though.

I mean this in the least rear end in a top hat-ish way possible, but just get better at the game. It's really not that difficult, the auto-aim on normal will put you in the right direction, and it's pretty easy from there.

Also if you are aiming, the horses will drive the cart along the pathway for you.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I suggest using your revolver (or volcanic pistol if you have it) for faster firing.

I don't know which system you're on, but on PS3 an easy way to get rid of groups of enemies:
Pull L2, immediately pull R2, immediately release L2, goto start.
Repeat until you're shooting at air

Every time you pull L2 (going into aim mode) it snaps your aim to the nearest enemy. So don't stay in aim mode, activate it just long enough to fire a single shot then activate it again, seperately, for the next shot. This way you'll hardly ever miss.

Kly
Aug 8, 2003

ChibiSoma posted:

I want to get through as much of the game as I can, since I want to see where it goes. I'm thinking I may just have to admit I suck too drat much for this and just watch a walkthrough to see the other stuff, though.

Good idea. I think this is the first I've heard anyone complain about the difficulty in this game. You can try going to the options and turning the aiming mode to "Casual" and see if that helps you. If there's an enemy anywhere within 5 miles of you and you press the aim button, you'll lock on. While aiming in a stagecoach your horses will maintain they're current speed and stay on the trail as best they can.

I think this game is just going to keep frustrating you though.

Populon
Mar 1, 2008

What's the matter,scared?

Also if you're having trouble hitting the people try putting a couple rounds into their horse. I think it also waits for the on foot dudes to despawn before new guys spawn.

monoptic
Apr 8, 2004

MAGNICIFENT!

The Lone Badger posted:

I suggest using your revolver (or volcanic pistol if you have it) for faster firing.

I don't know which system you're on, but on PS3 an easy way to get rid of groups of enemies:
Pull L2, immediately pull R2, immediately release L2, goto start.
Repeat until you're shooting at air

Every time you pull L2 (going into aim mode) it snaps your aim to the nearest enemy. So don't stay in aim mode, activate it just long enough to fire a single shot then activate it again, seperately, for the next shot. This way you'll hardly ever miss.

This, and for god's sake don't leave your dead eye running for so long. It shouldn't take you that long to line up a shot, and you should be abusing the auto-aim like for headshots like others have mentioned. I got through the game with 80% accuracy using this method (gatling guns excluded, obviously). Also consider turning the aiming all the way down to casual.

Real content: gently caress Friends in High Places with full fame. I should've planned this out better and now it's going to take twice as long.

monoptic fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Jun 28, 2010

Carbohydrates
Nov 22, 2006

Listen, Mr. Kansas Law Dog.
Law don't go around here.
Savvy?
I just rolled into Chuparosa and everyone there was having a big ol' gunfight (this is single player). Seriously, every random person in town was shooting each other. It looked like they formed two 'teams' and it finally ended when one side eliminated the other, leaving corpses scattered all around town. I was just standing in the middle watching. Only one guy shot me when I got too close, but he was quickly gunned down by a bunch of NPCs, so I was just a casual observer. :)

a cyborg mug
Mar 8, 2010



RBA Starblade posted:

How is this lasting people 40 hours? I just killed Dutch and did 10 of the Stranger missions (the others haven't popped up yet) and I'm not even 15 hours in. Though, I am ignoring the challenges because those are more hassle than they're worth. I mean, it's a great game and all but I can't imagine how people are stretching it out that long.

It took me over 30 hours to finish the game, but I did nearly all the challenges before ending it and I also spent at least a total combined time of five hours just being a dick and pushing people around and down stairs.

Also I didn't want to just blast through the game, I wanted to let it really soak in because it's loving awesome :3:

Judge Holden
Apr 18, 2007
He can neither read nor write and in him broods already a taste for mindless violence.
For those of you having trouble knife-killing bears and cougars, I have one word of advice: lasso. If a bear gets in panic mode and tries to run away from you, it'll probably be gone by the time you mount your horse, and you run exactly as fast as the bear does. But if you hit it with the lasso you've got 3-4 seconds of inactive bear just hanging out. It makes it very easy (until another bear and 2-3 boars come on the scene out of nowhere).

fennesz
Dec 29, 2008

Carbohydrates posted:

I just rolled into Chuparosa and everyone there was having a big ol' gunfight (this is single player). Seriously, every random person in town was shooting each other. It looked like they formed two 'teams' and it finally ended when one side eliminated the other, leaving corpses scattered all around town. I was just standing in the middle watching. Only one guy shot me when I got too close, but he was quickly gunned down by a bunch of NPCs, so I was just a casual observer. :)

I just rescued a guy getting dragged by a horse in Thieve's Landing, he got up dusted himself off and starting beating on the person closest to him. I got done with playing Liars Dice and there were a 8-12 people brawling in the street. I think the dealer at the blackjack table next to me got up and joined the fray for no reason.

Hey You Pifuckyou! posted:

It took me over 30 hours to finish the game, but I did nearly all the challenges before ending it and I also spent at least a total combined time of five hours just being a dick and pushing people around and down stairs.

Also I didn't want to just blast through the game, I wanted to let it really soak in because it's loving awesome :3:

It took me like 82 hours to 100% and 76 hours to beat it. I did a lot of horsin' (:v:) around, gambling and hunting. I've spent a good amount of time playing poker now and I'm absolutely convinced the people you play cheat. 80% of the time they flop a pair at the very least. They usually catch a knife in the back afterward anyhow.

fennesz fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jun 28, 2010

NonzeroCircle
Apr 12, 2010

El Camino
"You're an angry and feck ugly man, but not a bad one."


Just got to Mexico, will I ever see West, Irish or Seth again?

I miss 'em already.

Populon
Mar 1, 2008

What's the matter,scared?

BittyWings posted:

"You're an angry and feck ugly man, but not a bad one."


Just got to Mexico, will I ever see West, Irish or Seth again?

I miss 'em already.

West Dickens, one more time. Seth and Irish, no.

Catpants McStabby
Jul 10, 2001

seriously, :wtc:
finally got to the 3rd area tonight. I marathoned 1/4 of mexico in one sitting since I came home from work early. Thankfully I skipped most of the spoilers and was pretty surprised at several of the plot twists ... but jesus, everything looks settled going into blackwater. Makes me wonder what could be left, besides side quests.

FuriousGeorge
Jan 23, 2006

Ah, the simple joys of a monkey knife-fight.
Grimey Drawer
Minor postgame story question: Is there anything in the postgame that says anything about Bonnie's fate? There's nothing in the final newspaper, and I thought I read somewhere that you can overhear townspeople talk about her getting married or something. Haven't run across that though. I just kinda felt bad for her, poor girl really wanted to get laid.

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midge
Mar 15, 2004

World's finest snatch.
I'm down to the last few story quests at 92%. I'm dreading going back and doing the bounties I missing in Mexico because I just wanted to get the gently caress outta there.

I'm also not looking forward to winning Five Finger Fillet in Mexico for the uniform patch. How the hell do I do sharpshooter Rank 10?

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