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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:ah yes, sorcerer kings maintain all these armies and so on because they are afraid they'll forget to cast protection from normal weapons some day, compelling protection from normal weapons doesn't help when your enemies army has primarily +1 bone axes, not does it help when they include a bunch of monsterous humanoids of 4 hit dice or more. They do need armies to protect their cities, and most of them need their cities to advance in any way, shape, or form. They also need something to protect them, because in 2nd ed. a small group of dedicated individuals, even way under level vs the wizard can gently caress a solo wizard up. All it takes is a +1 magic bonus to hurt the bastard, and your templars/elemental clerics/defilers could all cast magic weapon to give even a lovely sharpened piece of bone a magic bonus for a while. Most of Darksun in 2e had wild talents as well, meaning that just about anyone off the street might have a power cabable of doing some damage. You put 2-3 thousand people off the street together and you have a threat. The wastes themselves are teeming with deranged monsters and intelligent monstrous humanoids that don't need a magic bonus on their natural weapons to get past your simple spell, and they move in very large pacts. I'll give you that 2e's balance was absolute garbage, I don't think anyone is at all about to argue that, but the whole "20th level wizards didn't need to worry about armies of mooks because wizard" isn't anywhere near valid given the source.
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Kobold posted:Your title is very appropriate. I can't tell, when looking at that with no context, whether it means "the classes that are divine right now are going to get changed" or "the classes that are divine right now don't exist in any form." Power sources really aren't anything other than a flavor thing, so it wouldn't affect much.
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Laex posted:Templar is a theme too my first reaction was it looked a bit weird having PCs being underlings of the big bad guys in the setting, but then I remembered warlocks making pacts with demons or alien beings from the void between worlds. I had forgotten about this. I'm glad they did this because old Dark Sun pretty much ignored the idea of secular templar so the best you could hope for was a dual or multiclass templar. Now it's a lot smoother because being a templar means you are just one of the sorcerer king's enforcers and not necessarily completely tied to his or her well being for your powers. ManMythLegend fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jul 19, 2010 |
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Jul 19, 2010 00:12
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ManMythLegend posted:I had forgotten about this. I'm glad they did this because old Dark Sun pretty much ignored the idea of secular templar so the best you could hope for was a dual or multiclass templar. No it's a lot smoother because being a templar means you are just one of the sorcerer king's enforcers and not necessarily completely tied to his or her well being for your powers. It really didn't mesh well with the fluff, either. There was a ton of crap about templars who were really defilers or psionicists or something else entirely. In Gulg, most of the "templars" were really rangers.
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They are called Shamans. They appear in PHB2. From reports, they are awesome.
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Well I think in theory anyone can be an Elemental Priest, since it's a theme but Shamans are like the most appropriate. I guess other Primal classes could work as a more militant form of it.
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Jul 19, 2010 00:26
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Oh cool! I wasn't aware that was one of the themes. One of my players is going to be stoked.
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Jul 19, 2010 00:36
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Known themes, unless I'm forgetting any:
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Jul 19, 2010 00:57
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also Ex-Slave or Escaped Slave.
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Jul 19, 2010 01:23
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Ah, yeah. Though, I recall that one to be published through DDI instead of in the Dark Sun Campaign Setting.
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Jul 19, 2010 01:27
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Attilla posted:Well I think in theory anyone can be an Elemental Priest, since it's a theme but Shamans are like the most appropriate. I guess other Primal classes could work as a more militant form of it.
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I hope themes get more support. It would be nice to see more of them via DDI and future PHBs and DMGs. I think they're a much more satisfying way of adding a little flavor to a character without burning a feat slot to multiclass or trying to bother with the, more or less, pointless background system.
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I thought I heard themes were a Dark Sun only thing. I hope what I really heard was these themes are Dark Sun only. I really like the theme idea.
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PeterWeller posted:I thought I heard themes were a Dark Sun only thing. 
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Someone light the Rodney signal. I'm sure he can clear the future of themes up. Though, I'm also pretty sure that after the last few pages he's never coming back in this thread again.
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Jul 19, 2010 03:17
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Yes, he must have until then been completely unfamiliar with--and now disgusted by--the ways of nerds.
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Jul 19, 2010 03:24
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Yes, a dude who writes D&D stuff for a living hasn't ever experienced nerdery.
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Jul 19, 2010 03:51
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No srsly you guys made the thread unreadable gj
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Thanks for putting it into perspective, happyelf.
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happyelf posted:No srsly you guys made the thread unreadable gj This is more or less what I was getting at.
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Change of subject. Its cool they gave the queen of Gulg's stats, she was always the sexiest NPC I mean drat look at  Its probably just an illusion though, I wonder what she really...  Oh. Nevermind.
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Jul 19, 2010 04:29
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If I can treat people according to the gender they present, I can treat them according to the hotness they present. 
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Just sent off my Dark Sun article pitch. 
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Squizzle posted:Just sent off my Dark Sun article pitch. That's pretty cool man. Do you mind giving us a hint on what's about? Also, good luck. I hope it gets picked up.
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I think most the Sorcerer Kings/Queens hide their warped true forms aside from Dregoth who gives no gently caress. Most of them aside from Dregoth are somewhere along the big chart of half dragon half human so they don't really look human anymore.
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ManMythLegend posted:That's pretty cool man. Do you mind giving us a hint on what's about? I'm going to keep it under my hat for now, because they're not interested in ideas that you publish elsewhere. And thanks. You and me both hope.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I think most the Sorcerer Kings/Queens hide their warped true forms aside from Dregoth who gives no gently caress. Most of them aside from Dregoth are somewhere along the big chart of half dragon half human so they don't really look human anymore. I think Nibenay is the only other one who doesn't hide his creepiness, but he doesn't go out in public much either. And Hamanu goes into lion mode when he needs to impress the plebes. But I think even in their disguised forms, they're still supposed to look a little off, like one's proportions might be stretched, and another might have too big of a mouth or hosed up eyes. I think they all deliberately choose to look a bit alien to remind people what is what. Also, good luck Squizzle.
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ManMythLegend posted:Someone light the Rodney signal. I'm sure he can clear the future of themes up. For now, themes are a Dark Sun thing, but that doesn't mean you'll never see them again. Just like anything else, we'll use the tools that work best for the material we're dealing with. Also, the Design & Development article on themes is live, and lists all the themes in the book: http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/drdd/20100719
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Dune Trader Thought that was one of them, good stuff. A full 10 themes, good variety and it hits a lot of the original Dark Sun concepts. edit: also, "Attack: Primary ability vs. Will " Primary ability ritorix fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 19, 2010 |
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RodneyThompson posted:For now, themes are a Dark Sun thing, but that doesn't mean you'll never see them again. Just like anything else, we'll use the tools that work best for the material we're dealing with. Thanks for this. I really appreciate it, though I am a little sad that they won't see general release. A boy can dream though. 
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man I hope the rest of the chapter previews aren't as barren as the races of Athas article. I wanted to know what was up with Tieflings, Dragonborn, and Eladrin. I just got a Goliath paragon path.
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angrylinuxgeek posted:I just got a pretty loving sweet Goliath paragon path.
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angrylinuxgeek posted:man I hope the rest of the chapter previews aren't as barren as the races of Athas article. I wanted to know what was up with Tieflings, Dragonborn, and Eladrin. I just got a Goliath paragon path. We don't know much about the place of tieflings on Athas, but: Rich Baker posted:The dragonborn (or dray) are a race of sorcerous merchants, hired spellcasters, pragmatic mercenaries, and maybe even slavers. They're not especially numerous, so you don't see a lot of them around. Their clans are like small, insular merchant houses, and they might serve as deal-brokers and moneylenders: disliked in many places, but regarded as very useful to have around. Heck, maybe some clans bribe the sorcerer-kings and templars for dispensation to practice magic or sell their services as assassins. Rich Baker posted:Where do eladrin come from in Athas? We decided that the answer was still the Feywild—but the Feywild isn’t what you might expect... In Athas, that means “magical desert.” … The Feywild of Athas is dying, … a few scattered pockets that don’t connect to each other… I keep thinking of the Feywild like that house that existed as a cross-section of the future in Book of the New Sun.
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Squizzle posted:
Rich Baker posted:The templar theme leans toward leader (with a hint of controller) 
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I like Eladrin as genie type creatures, rather than just elves that teleport. I guess with the arabian myth angle they could swing tieflings as having a more elemental origin, like being efreet or something. It would fit with their fire resist etc. I'm definately interested to see how they have done it though.
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That eladrin article sets up some good hooks. I like the idea of a Sorcerer King destroying the last vestiges of the Feywild to return a hidden temple or artifact oe whatever to Athas, so he can use it for something evil.
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Looks like this week's Dark Sun article is going to be a location-centric piece about one of the venues for sacrificial offering to the Dragon, descriptively called "the Dragon's Altar".
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Hehe. Well there's already what, a Dragon's Crown, a Dragon's Bowl, a Dragon's Sweet Bong?
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