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Hog Obituary: Jun 11, 2006; start the day right

A.o.D. posted:

That's a far cry from the quoted 305hp. How the hell do they get away with that?

Wheel horsepower versus crank horsepower

# ? Aug 27, 2010 06:08

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2ndclasscitizen: Jan 2, 2009; by Y Kant Ozma Post

A.o.D. posted:

That's a far cry from the quoted 305hp. How the hell do they get away with that?

That's a 20% loss through the drivetrain, sounds about right for a RWD car to me.

# ? Aug 27, 2010 06:22

mod sassinator: Dec 13, 2006; I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
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Taaaaaaarb! posted:

Hey again, guys.

I heard the silliest thing the other day: that the engine bay of 5th gens are roomy enough to easily accommodate the girth of 427 (and larger) Ford big blocks. Any truth to this? I can't seem to find much beyond the Roush 427R and indecipherable, poorly-written message board posts on other forums

Isn't the 427R named because it makes 427 horsepower from a blown modular V8 (guessing 4.6 liter), not because it's a 427 big block?

# ? Aug 27, 2010 08:46

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mod sassinator posted:

Isn't the 427R named because it makes 427 horsepower from a blown modular V8 (guessing 4.6 liter), not because it's a 427 big block?

That's pretty much it - http://www.roushperformance.com/performance_vehicles/ford/mustang/2010/427r.shtml

You can read the page if you want, but basically they took the stock 4.6L and modified it to have 430HP and 400lb-ft of torque, where they got 427 out of that :iiam:

# ? Aug 27, 2010 12:42

kronix: Jul 1, 2004

2ndclasscitizen posted:

That's a 20% loss through the drivetrain, sounds about right for a RWD car to me.

It's still crazy that a V6 Mustang with 305 horsepower costs as much as a well optioned civic and gets comparable gas millage. There's absolutely no compromises with that car, well... except for the useless back seat.

Honestly, the way Ford has been rolling these last 2 or 3 years, I don't understand how they're not doing better. Let's hope the quality issues are gone and these motors hold up. For the first time in many years I don't feel like I'm lying to myself when I think that Americans might finally be making good cars again.

# ? Aug 27, 2010 12:55

Taaaaaaarb!: Nov 17, 2008; Electric Space Famicon

mod sassinator posted:

Isn't the 427R named because it makes 427 horsepower from a blown modular V8 (guessing 4.6 liter), not because it's a 427 big block?

Yes, I know the 427R is just a boosted 4.6L; it was just one of the more common things to turn up in a search along with terrible posts on tuning forums. I still had heard that a 427 swap was very easily doable (not that I was planning on anything), and that it just fit right in there. Again any truth to this?

# ? Aug 27, 2010 16:11

frozenphil: Mar 13, 2003; YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

Hey again, guys.

I heard the silliest thing the other day: that the engine bay of 5th gens are roomy enough to easily accommodate the girth of 427 (and larger) Ford big blocks. Any truth to this? I can't seem to find much beyond the Roush 427R and indecipherable, poorly-written message board posts on other forums

Jon Kaase proved that pretty definitively.

# ? Aug 28, 2010 01:50

Radiohead71: Sep 15, 2007

kronix posted:

It's still crazy that a V6 Mustang with 305 horsepower costs as much as a well optioned civic and gets comparable gas millage. There's absolutely no compromises with that car, well... except for the useless back seat.

Honestly, the way Ford has been rolling these last 2 or 3 years, I don't understand how they're not doing better. Let's hope the quality issues are gone and these motors hold up. For the first time in many years I don't feel like I'm lying to myself when I think that Americans might finally be making good cars again.

You have to take the mileage advertised from Ford with a ton of salt. For example, my 11 GT is averaging 16.8 mpg, not the 26 they advertise. It probably gets 26 mpg on they hwy at 45 mph behind a large semi truck. As long as you don't excect these mileage figures IRL you will be happy with the car.

Also, the initial quality of the car is very impressive. This is the first American vehicle that I have purchased in 10 years, and it rivals the Toyotas and Hondas of my past. Ford has their crap together and it is showing in their vehicles. Consider me converted.

# ? Aug 28, 2010 14:11

Charlie: Aug 25, 2004; It passed through unharmed!

Radiohead71 posted:

You have to take the mileage advertised from Ford with a ton of salt. For example, my 11 GT is averaging 16.8 mpg, not the 26 they advertise. It probably gets 26 mpg on they hwy at 45 mph behind a large semi truck. As long as you don't excect these mileage figures IRL you will be happy with the car.

Also, the initial quality of the car is very impressive. This is the first American vehicle that I have purchased in 10 years, and it rivals the Toyotas and Hondas of my past. Ford has their crap together and it is showing in their vehicles. Consider me converted.

Mileage is largely dependent on the way you drive the car. My 07 pony averages about 2 mpg more than advertised (18/27 compared to advertised 16/24) if I'm not trying to have fun.

That said, if I had an 11 GT, I would probably not be driving with fuel economy in mind.

# ? Aug 28, 2010 16:53

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

Radiohead71 posted:

You have to take the mileage advertised from Ford with a ton of salt. For example, my 11 GT is averaging 16.8 mpg, not the 26 they advertise. It probably gets 26 mpg on they hwy at 45 mph behind a large semi truck. As long as you don't excect these mileage figures IRL you will be happy with the car.

My heavily modified '89 5.0 still gets around 22mpg on the highway (better than my 940 turbo) which is what it's supposed to get. Every sports car is going to get wild mileage figures since they can be driven so differently depending on your mood.

# ? Aug 28, 2010 20:54

Taaaaaaarb!: Nov 17, 2008; Electric Space Famicon

frozenphil posted:

Jon Kaase proved that pretty definitively.

gently caress, I guess I'm a Ford guy. Thanks again, Phil!

# ? Aug 28, 2010 21:05

Muffinpox: Sep 7, 2004

Sir Tonk posted:

My heavily modified '89 5.0 still gets around 22mpg on the highway (better than my 940 turbo) which is what it's supposed to get. Every sports car is going to get wild mileage figures since they can be driven so differently depending on your mood.

I was discussing how an exhaust usually leads to a decrease in MPG, especially when it sounds good in the upper RPM ranges under full throttle.

# ? Aug 28, 2010 21:20

shy boy from chess club: Jun 11, 2008; It wasnt that bad, after you left I got to help put out the fire!

Muffinpox posted:

I was discussing how an exhaust usually leads to a decrease in MPG, especially when it sounds good in the upper RPM ranges under full throttle.

This happened to my 85 GT when I upgraded to true duals that flowed a lot more air. I think the correlation is bigger tubes=less mpg.

# ? Aug 29, 2010 06:17

Coredump: Dec 1, 2002

edit: need to read the thread first.

# ? Aug 29, 2010 06:49

Hog Obituary: Jun 11, 2006; start the day right

Pipkin posted:

This happened to my 85 GT when I upgraded to true duals that flowed a lot more air. I think the correlation is bigger tubes=less mpg.

I think Muffinpox was actually saying that if your exhaust sounds good you're going to be gunning it everywhere just to listen to the exhaust... hence less mpg

# ? Aug 29, 2010 06:51

turnerburna: Jan 11, 2005; Cobra Commander

Radiohead71 posted:

You have to take the mileage advertised from Ford with a ton of salt. For example, my 11 GT is averaging 16.8 mpg, not the 26 they advertise. It probably gets 26 mpg on they hwy at 45 mph behind a large semi truck. As long as you don't excect these mileage figures IRL you will be happy with the car.

in my 4.6l 3v manual I get anywhere from 25-27mpg on the freeway and 15-21mpg in the city depending on how I'm driving the car.

# ? Aug 29, 2010 15:41

shy boy from chess club: Jun 11, 2008; It wasnt that bad, after you left I got to help put out the fire!

Hog Obituary posted:

I think Muffinpox was actually saying that if your exhaust sounds good you're going to be gunning it everywhere just to listen to the exhaust... hence less mpg

Yea dude, I got that part. I may be a terrible poster but I'm not that dense.

# ? Aug 29, 2010 19:58

Henchman 21: Apr 3, 2005; HENCH 4 LIFE

Question for anyone with a New Edge, I'm sure phil will chime in fastest tho. I need to change the plugs on my New Edge GT. I should use motorcraft plugs correct? Theres no FI at the moment or anything that I think would require a colder plug.

# ? Aug 29, 2010 22:30

frozenphil: Mar 13, 2003; YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!

KickStand posted:

Question for anyone with a New Edge, I'm sure phil will chime in fastest tho. I need to change the plugs on my New Edge GT. I should use motorcraft plugs correct? Theres no FI at the moment or anything that I think would require a colder plug.

This is what Nick McKinney of Modular Head Shop recommends:

MHS posted:

I get asked this all the time and after seeing so many heads with plugs in them arrive at the shop and knowing what the combo was here are my recommendations:

If you drive a taxi cab or are idling in traffic for hours and hours and hours then the stock plugs are perfect.

Since 99% of you reading this don't do the above I use one heat range colder in a stock engine even, and that is the Autolite 103, NGK TR6, or the Autolite AR93 which is the racing version of the 103 (cut back larger ground electrode). These plugs will work for stock to street/strip NA motors and mild blower motors. Under boost you may need to lower the gap down, but otherwise I would leave the gap as is. Most people damage the plugs playing with the gap so much and unless you are getting spark blow out under boost I have never seen a different gap make more power on these motors.

Radical NA, heavy nitrous (150 shot or larger) I would run the next colder plug which is an Autolite AR92. This is different from the NGK BR7EF in that it is colder but also keeps the electrode protruding into the chamber. If you overheat the AR92 then at that point I would go to the NGK BR7EF plug.

You want to run the coldest plug possible that does not foul, and with the high energy ignition capability of the stock system combined with the closed loop fueling it will take quite a bit to foul colder plugs. Start colder, and then go hotter if you have a radical combo.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 02:25

Henchman 21: Apr 3, 2005; HENCH 4 LIFE

frozenphil posted:

This is what Nick McKinney of Modular Head Shop recommends:

Thanks Phil!

# ? Aug 30, 2010 03:49

Taaaaaaarb!: Nov 17, 2008; Electric Space Famicon

I've been doing some research about New Edge GT's and I've found out that they randomly stall-out for no apparent reason (according to carsurvey.org posters). Is this a non-issue for most NEGT owners? If it is an issue, is there actually a cause for it and how easy is it to correct?

# ? Aug 30, 2010 18:14

frozenphil: Mar 13, 2003; YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

I've been doing some research about New Edge GT's and I've found out that they randomly stall-out for no apparent reason (according to carsurvey.org posters). Is this a non-issue for most NEGT owners? If it is an issue, is there actually a cause for it and how easy is it to correct?

I've never heard of this before. What, exactly, are they talking about?

# ? Aug 30, 2010 19:44

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

Well, poo poo. I just put a deposit down on a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Performance Pack, Navigation, and the glass roof, in Sterling Silver with red skinny stripes. Now the waiting game before I go pick it up (hopefully next week).

# ? Aug 30, 2010 20:14

Taaaaaaarb!: Nov 17, 2008; Electric Space Famicon

frozenphil posted:

I've never heard of this before. What, exactly, are they talking about?

carsurvey.org poster posted:

It stalls out every once and a while for no apparent reason. Your just driving along and the motor turns off. It starts up again instantly. The dealer was never able to figure out what was wrong with it.

That. I've read a few posts on CS about this "problem," if it even is one.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 20:53

frozenphil: Mar 13, 2003; YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

That. I've read a few posts on CS about this "problem," if it even is one.

I've never heard of that before. The closest thing I can think of is the alternator issue that throws a code for the cam shaft position sensor. If you get a stumble while driving and an error code PO340 you should replace the alternator, not the sensor.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 21:53

washow: Dec 1, 2007; Here you go, op

Imperador do Brasil posted:

Well, poo poo. I just put a deposit down on a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Performance Pack, Navigation, and the glass roof, in Sterling Silver with red skinny stripes. Now the waiting game before I go pick it up (hopefully next week).

How much was that thing? Like 80k+?

# ? Aug 30, 2010 22:55

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

washow posted:

How much was that thing? Like 80k+?

Significantly less. I got it for $59k with tax, tags, and a Shelby car over.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 22:57

MonkeyNutZ: Dec 26, 2008; "A cave isn't gonna cut it, we're going to have to use Beebo"

You are my hero, godspeed.

We all demand videos by the way.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 23:15

shy boy from chess club: Jun 11, 2008; It wasnt that bad, after you left I got to help put out the fire!

Imperador do Brasil posted:

Well, poo poo. I just put a deposit down on a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Performance Pack, Navigation, and the glass roof, in Sterling Silver with red skinny stripes. Now the waiting game before I go pick it up (hopefully next week).

That's awesome. I can't wait to see the pictures

# ? Aug 30, 2010 23:29

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

Here's a picture of it in the showroom, with my son foaming at the mouth to get in. More and better pictures to arrive when I take delivery.

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 23:53

IOwnCalculus: Apr 2, 2003

You're raising that boy right.

# ? Aug 30, 2010 23:55

Taaaaaaarb!: Nov 17, 2008; Electric Space Famicon

frozenphil posted:

I've never heard of that before. The closest thing I can think of is the alternator issue that throws a code for the cam shaft position sensor. If you get a stumble while driving and an error code PO340 you should replace the alternator, not the sensor.

Awesome - thanks again, Phil!

MonkeyNutZ posted:

You are my hero, godspeed.

We all demand videos by the way.

Preferably burnouts and highway pulls :fap:

# ? Aug 30, 2010 23:56

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

IOwnCalculus posted:

You're raising that boy right.

That boy has such an obsession with motorized things...he has a go-kart, a dirt bike, and we have 4 cars which he obsesses over.

Taaaaaaarb! posted:

Preferably burnouts and highway pulls

Gotta wait till after 500 miles for anything silly.

# ? Aug 31, 2010 00:00

mcvey: Aug 31, 2006; go caps haha

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Adopt me? I'm already 23 so you don't have to raise me.

# ? Aug 31, 2010 00:06

Radiohead71: Sep 15, 2007

Imperador do Brasil posted:

Here's a picture of it in the showroom, with my son foaming at the mouth to get in. More and better pictures to arrive when I take delivery.

Click here for the full 1600x1200 image.

Snap, that is a nice car!

# ? Aug 31, 2010 01:20

coolskillrex remix: Jan 1, 2007; gorsh

Imperador do Brasil posted:

Well, poo poo. I just put a deposit down on a 2011 GT500 with the SVT Performance Pack, Navigation, and the glass roof, in Sterling Silver with red skinny stripes. Now the waiting game before I go pick it up (hopefully next week).

Agree with everything but not sure about the glass roof. What was the thought process exactly? "lets add weight and make the car brutally hot"

# ? Aug 31, 2010 01:45

Imperador do Brasil: Nov 18, 2005; Rotor-rific

Omegaslast posted:

Agree with everything but not sure about the glass roof. What was the thought process exactly? "lets add weight and make the car brutally hot"

Funny thing is, the glass roof actually blocks 96% of UV rays and 90% of IR rays, according to Ford, plus there's a sunshade. I got the glass roof one because it's the color I wanted and for the same price as one at another dealer without the glass roof in a color combo I liked less, so basically they knocked $2k off the sticker price to match the other car's price.

# ? Aug 31, 2010 01:48

frozenphil: Mar 13, 2003; YOU CANNOT MAKE A MISTAKE SO BIG THAT 80 GRIT CAN'T FIX IT!

Dealers are making killer deals on GT500s now that the supercharger info for the GT has been released and everyone sees the potential there.

I'm deeply jealous and would love a GT500, regardless of the cost:performance ratio difference between it and a regular GT. Now throw on the Hellion twin turbo kit and make 1100rwhp. You can do rolling burnouts at 100mph!

# ? Aug 31, 2010 02:01