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Marv Hushman posted:Titanium: to illustrate my point. I spent exactly 5 minutes scanning the latest Twin Cities CL ads that meet the criteria I mention above and I'd say they're better candidates. I don't know what your skill level is, so that's obviously a factor. I followed your first recommendation when I posted last week and got the XS750 Triple. They sound even better when you're riding them  
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I have searched around casually for a possible upgrade to my '08 250r Ninja. I've been riding for 2 years now and wouldn't mind a bit more power. Do not want a super sport, it's just too much bike. I commute to work pretty much every day on the Ninja and would probably keep it unless the new bike was close to the mileage and ease of riding. Mainly want a bigger bike for longer trips, especially when I go with other riders. I went to the Smokey Mountains not long ago with some folks and had trouble hanging with the guys at times, mostly up hill and accelerating out of tight corners. They were on touring bikes so as long as the roads were curvy I stuck to the leader like glue, but 1800cc bikes can leave you when they're not scrapping pegs trying to corner. Funny as poo poo watching a Goldwing throw sparks while I'm on his six barely leaning. Oh and awesome! Anyways, also sucked on the way back since they decided to hit the 4 lane most of the way. So I was sitting in 6th gear revved pretty high, tucked in laying on my tank bag to minimize air resistance. Not that I was struggling to maintain speed, but I didn't have much throttle left. At least I was comfy, just needed a pillow. Basically I'm looking for something with extra ponies for when I'm in need, but not so much that it becomes a chore to ride through town on. I was thinking maybe a 650 Ninja or a Yamaha FZ6R. The Ninja is basically a direct upgrade. It has around twice the HP, but is moderately turned supposedly. The Yamaha is a different sort of bike, i4. Not really sure how that would effect things since I've only ridden the 250 and some older cruisers. The HP is a bit more than the Ninja though. Both are fuel injected I think, which would be nice for the winter when I have trouble getting my 250 up and going at times. Ugh, I'm rambling. Okay, so far I've found a nice looking FZ6R on craigslist. http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1927643966.html. Looks decent. The closeups he sent make the damage look pretty minor. I'd have to double check in person though. Here's a 650 Ninja for more: http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1896366369.html. Didn't notice it earlier. Not wild about the green though. A Suzuki SV650 might be an option, but I dunno about going without fairings. Especially if I wanted to take it longer trips. They do look nice http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1926559969.html, but I don't hate my neighbors enough to get one with a loud aftermarket pipe. I might go check out that FZ6R, especially if he lets me test drive it. Mainly to see the damage for myself. I can deal with scratches. My 250 has some on the right side thanks to thick loving gravel at the bottom of a sloped driveway. The downside of full fairings I guess. A near zero speed lay down on gravel will mess up your paint job right quick.
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Thats a pretty nice deal on an Fz6r, they're pretty new around here still so prices tend to be high, you could also go the half faired FZ6 model, I sat on one, pretty much perfect for me being 5'11 185lbs, definitely something nice for all day cruising around. If you go SV650 i'd go for the S model, some people put on the factory full fairings on them as well, a little harder to find that way, but they're proven bikes. http://www.bayarearidersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344942 Ninja 650 is also excellent, you'll probably find some pre 09 ones for a bit cheaper than the one you listed, if you care about the styling, I think both look pretty nice in their own way though. Heck if you find a CBR F4i for a decent price, the seating position is similar to your 08 ninja and good all rounders, not as crazy as the 2003+ RR series.
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titanium posted:I followed your first recommendation when I posted last week and got the XS750 Triple. They sound even better when you're riding them Aw hail yeah--congrats. Here's hoping the PO did a quality job with ze podz. The impulse to go that route is perfectly understandable, but it can create problems if not done well. Enjoy.
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Bad Munki posted:Anyone know if this is common in the US? And if so, is there an easy place to look it up online as to which states have such requirements and which don't? And on that note, if one state doesn't care, but another does, is it possible to get in trouble driving through the less-cool-state with your cool-state license? 44 states use the MSF Basic Rider Course text (some modify it) 16 states use a locally designed off-street testing course. This is California's, for example.
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Yeah, the blue book starting offer value on the FZ6R is $5300, of course that would be less because of damage. If it's not serious, then it doesn't matter much though. From the reviews I've read it seems like a pretty decent bike. I read one review with a head to head vs the 650 Ninja and a Suzuki 650 and the FZ6R came out on top. There are several FZ6s listed right now also. Here's the cheapest one, http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1912955960.html or http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1928756955.html. Neither one give many details though. The first one looks like a really good deal, unless there's something he's not saying about it. It does look like a very different bike from the FZ6R, more than one letter different would imply. I haven't seen a SV650 around with full fairings. That does look like a pretty nice bike also. CA is pretty far though. Maybe I could find a more local one. The CBR F4i looks like more bike than I'd want. There are plenty on cragslist, like: http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1865269508.html, but it just looks too much power for smoothly riding around town, which I do a good bit since I commute. I could be wrong though. Some reviews say it's super fast and easy to getting wheelies with, which I don't want. Others say it's a good beginners bike, which I don't really believe with the HP it's packing.
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You'd be fine on an F4, I4s make power differently from twins. Generally, supersports are powerful and the problem is that most people don't have any self control and ride them fast all the time, but that doesn't mean for someone with some self control they can't make good around town bikes. These days, I'm not partial to smaller displacement 4s for street use, but I had a great time riding my first one for 50k miles. I'd point you towards the SV650N, the S model has much more aggressive ergos, the N model is very upright (although the bars if you buy a gen 2 need to go, they're stupid narrow). You'll adjust to the windblast after a bit, no big deal. The FZ6R isn't a bad choice, but it's not what I'd go for out the door, I'd take the F4 instead in a heartbeat, although not the one you linked. Go for something that's clean and stock, that one has definitely been down in the past.
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Well the people that I know that own the larger bikes talk like they have to ride around town in first gear all the time and lots of clutch in traffic. That doesn't seem like much fun. I enjoy shifting, but don't speed much so having 3-4 gears I'll never use is kinda silly. Maybe they're just talking big, wouldn't surprise me. I really don't want a bike I have to keep revved high just to get power, low end is nice. I'll check out the SV650N. Ya, that F4 is the first one I saw that was fairly cheap. I'm also partial to blue bikes. I'll keep looking around. I liked the FZ6R because the tailpipe is out of the way under the bike. It'd give me lots of room to use big saddle bags. Had to get the smallest ones I could find to fit on my 250 with it's huge upturned pipe.
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QnoisX posted:Well the people that I know that own the larger bikes talk like they have to ride around town in first gear all the time and lots of clutch in traffic. That doesn't seem like much fun. I enjoy shifting, but don't speed much so having 3-4 gears I'll never use is kinda silly. Maybe they're just talking big, wouldn't surprise me. I really don't want a bike I have to keep revved high just to get power, low end is nice. They talk like this because they have to get to 100 in first gear. You're more than welcome to shift at 5-6k RMP at 20-30 like a normal person.
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Yeah I was just listing one I knew off the top of my head. I'd sit on an F4i, it's a really nice bike, it has a nicer more usable powerband than the RR series and much higher bars. Solid engines too, this guy apparently rode it to 170000+ miles before he had an accident on it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwiOyq2Q9-I Also I say this again: Screw you Non-Californians and your cheap rear end used bikes! 3000$ for a 2008 Fz6!? you might be able to get a 2004 model in California for that price with close to 20k miles 
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Well I just got back from visiting the guy with the FZ6R. He let me take it for a test drive and I was pretty impressed. The damage on the fairings is minor, though it does have some scratches on both sides in the same general area. I think he dropped it in his driveway, no gravel to scratch the poo poo out of it. It rode pretty similar to my bike, just faster. The clutch was nicer and had more play than the 250 clutch. At times I think the 250 clutch is an off or on affair, not much middle ground. Not that you need much with such a small engine I suppose. Anyways, I didn't really open it up since it's not my bike and the speed limit around his house is 40mph. It handled low speeds just fine, plenty of torque. Little odd when riding at low speeds, the steering kinda fights you. I mean under 10mph or so, goes away at a certain speed or I didn't notice it higher up at least. I suppose that's the torque and I'm just not used to it. Yes? Not experienced with bigger displacement bikes. The front tire isn't any bigger than what I'm used to. Could have just been his driveway, a really long blacktop road; leading to a group of houses. Maybe it was just really coarse. The acceleration is very smooth. I wasn't worried at any time that it might bring the front up accidently. The seating position is even more upright than mine and I was flat footed on the seat. It shifts with no issues, not that I did much of it. I only got up to third on my ride. That was coming off a light while giving it a little juice, backed off when I noticed I was up to 60mph in 3rd. Not used to that at all. On the 250, 1st gear is pretty worthless and you shift every 10mph or so. The FZ6R can do 25-30mph in 1st no problem. Uh, anyways guess I'm kinda reviewing the bike, so I guess I need some cons. Biggest thing I noticed as the exhaust heat. When I was waiting for a gap in traffic to pull into his driveway I got a wave of heat coming from the tail pipe. The exhaust comes out right in front of the rear tire, basically directly under you. That could suck if you got caught up in traffic on an already hot day for a while. A plus on cold days I suppose. The way the handlebar is mounted doesn't leave much room to ram mount my Zumo. The only clear spot is in the middle and that could block the instrument panel. Oh and the low speed steering oddness. That's about it. Overall a good bike, not that I've ridden that many.
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How much am I going to hate myself? Any takers on frustration level? God I love that color. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/mcy/1927416466.html
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Rontalvos posted:How much am I going to hate myself? Any takers on frustration level? God I love that color. Great price for a runner. Depends on your goals and free time (winter project, ground-up resto, etc.) Consider that you might be happier with the same $ put into your current ride(s), which are known quantities. Divided loyalties, reduced time slices, all that rot. I happen to believe that 3 street bikes is the max a mortal working man can keep tagged and humming. Much beyond that and you become the moto equivalent of crazy cat lady.
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Hmm, just checked Craigslist and there's a stock SV 650S. For about the same price as the FZ6R. http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1930639567.html Oh and a stock CBR 600 F4i as well for slightly cheaper. It's red though... http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1930597384.html I know you recommended a SV 650N, but I haven't seen one yet with full fairings. Both of these bikes have more mileage than the Yamaha I was looking at. Still, might see about calling these guys to go try them out.
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QnoisX posted:Hmm, just checked Craigslist and there's a stock SV 650S. For about the same price as the FZ6R. http://memphis.craigslist.org/mcy/1930639567.html Both are excellent bikes. The SV is a bit overpriced given the current depressed state of the market. That's a decent deal on the F4i, they tend to hold their value very well. There is no SV650N with full fairings. The windblast really isn't a big deal unless you spend a lot of time over 100mph. And as a bonus the bike feels a lot faster! 
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Ah, guess I was confused about the fairing bit. Most people don't list them with the S or N in the model number. That's the only one I've found so far with a stock exhaust. I head to work at 2:30am and don't wish to piss off all my neighbors. The 250 is pretty quite. The CBR does look good, but I wish it was blue or at least black. My gear is blue and black and....er, I like to match. 
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Contemplating this Ninja 650 for a twisties toy. Anything specific I should look out for? http://decatur.craigslist.org/mcy/1929000715.html Alternatively, there is this TL1000R (though I suspect the seating position will be too aggressive for me): http://decatur.craigslist.org/mcy/1925926164.html Pvt. Public fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Sep 1, 2010 |
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Get the TL, be killed with a smile on your face and let the bike handle the cremation.
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Pvt. Public posted:Contemplating this Ninja 650 for a twisties toy. Anything specific I should look out for? Buy an SV instead if you ever want to do any real significant suspension upgrades to it, otherwise the 650 is a fine choice. The TL would be a lot more fun but also a lot crazier, go test ride it and you'll buy it. That's way too much for it though, especially if it hasn't had that stupid loving rotary rear shock replaced. That thing is a huge piece of poo poo and makes the bike handle like utter rear end because it quickly overheats and loses all of it's damping properties.
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Z3n posted:Buy an SV instead if you ever want to do any real significant suspension upgrades to it, otherwise the 650 is a fine choice. The TL would be a lot more fun but also a lot crazier, go test ride it and you'll buy it. That's way too much for it though, especially if it hasn't had that stupid loving rotary rear shock replaced. That thing is a huge piece of poo poo and makes the bike handle like utter rear end because it quickly overheats and loses all of it's damping properties. Don't forget the factory steering damper that makes it corner like an oil tanker. Or the excess weight over the GSX-R750. Or ... Or...
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Any thoughts on these for a brand new rider with little to no mechanical ability? I wouldn't mind learning how to work on a bike, I just don't want to have to dive in immediately. http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/mcy/1929148624.html http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/1922920781.html
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Tigren posted:Any thoughts on these for a brand new rider with little to no mechanical ability? I wouldn't mind learning how to work on a bike, I just don't want to have to dive in immediately. Just a heads up, for 1900 or 1500 you could get a way better bike than those. I don't know how they run, but cosmetically you could do way better. I picked up my 2007 SV(ABS) for 3900 with 2.5k miles on it.. So yeah. I'd wait a bit. And I notice you're in LA, so feel free to look around the surrounding area, if you need someone to ride it back or go look at it with you, just lemme know.
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Tigren posted:Any thoughts on these for a brand new rider with little to no mechanical ability? I wouldn't mind learning how to work on a bike, I just don't want to have to dive in immediately. If you like the Nighthawks of that era, better to go with the 83 650SC. Their entire plan for the motor was to make it maintenance free, to include self-adjusting valves. This may have something to do with why they're more plentiful than the others. And I'll bet you can find one far cheaper than what's offered above. Other bonuses--more or less straight bars, fork brace, ground clearance, and ETs that were phenomenally quick for the time, but probably middle of the road by today's standards. Does this mean it's zero work? Of course not, but I rode with one on a 600 mile jaunt recently and it didn't miss a beat. Probably the only downside was range, as its MPG numbers aren't all that stellar. http://www.pipeline.com/~randyo/83%20650%20Magazine%20Article.htm
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Saga posted:Don't forget the factory steering damper that makes it corner like an oil tanker. Or the excess weight over the GSX-R750. Or ... Or... they added the steering damper because without it too many people were killing themselves. The TL-R has the nickname "widowmaker" fwiw. Something about terrible tankslappers being all to common pre-damper.
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The problem was really with the severely underdamped rear suspension...as soon as the rotary damper saw too much abuse, it'd give up the ghost and you went tankslapper crazy. If you retrofit a more traditional shock on there, it handles really nicely, I have a friend who had one for a long time and he was very fast on it, very nicely set up and stable.
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quote:TL-Rs The steering damper was added to the preceding (awesome, if cheap and cheerful) TL-S to deal with that friction damper rear shock setup. The TL-R only got it because it came out in 98 when they were "fixing" the TL-S, but didn't actually need it - it's a completely different chassis to the "S". So the steering damper on the TL-R was all down to Suzuki. PB stuck one of the rotary rear dampers on Maxton's shock dyno and it produced some truly horrible shapes. Basically, it didn't work straight out of the box - the damping effect was identical to one of those things they stick on doors to stop you slamming them (for good reason, since it was basically the same thing). It's worth remembering that Suzuki spent one standard SA unit of money* developing the thing and basically dropped it because they couldn't make it go faster than the seven-fiddy. Z3N's pal is probably quick because he's quick. Don't get me wrong, I actually do like the TL-R's looks - I always thought that fairing had a bit of Star Trek TNG about it and the single-seat unit/upswept pipe combo is pretty sweet. But the only attraction of the rest of the bike for me is that they beat ZX-7Rs and come second only to Harleys in the amount-of-money-spent stakes. There's some weird subset of people who will spend almost any amount of money to make them So I'd definitely own one of these full-carbon-everything, extensively tuned TLRs with full Ohlins and a featherweight ti full system etc etc, mainly because they go for silly money over here and good ones look like a million dollahs. But having ridden them both, I sincerely doubt the result will lap any faster than a 750 WV with a decent full system. * the metric fuckton, of course
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I will agree that they're not gonna be faster around the track than any "real" I4 supersport. It'd probably be slower than a 600, honestly. But that's not why you buy one of those...you buy one because it looks awesome, sounds great, and you can't afford an RC51.  and then you spend up to and past the purchase price of an RC51 trying to make it handle like one
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Any input on this? http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/mcy/1926174183.html My friend is trying to pick up a bike, would this be too much for him for a first? Also, I'm trying to get the guy to take 650 for it, but if 800 seems fair to ya'll I'll shoot more towards 750
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SaNChEzZ posted:Any input on this? At that price, get it until he IS ready for it First, I'd do some research and see if this is the same bike: http://losangeles.ebayclassifieds.com/motorcycles-scooters/tujunga/1981-yamaha-xs850-xs-850-midnight-special-triple-low-mileage/?ad=4814254 and if so, find out what prompted him to slash the price in half. Sure, LA's a big place and there could be more than two of these things for sale at once, but it is *kind of* rare. DARRRRRRRRR, there's yours right below it. Scratch that. Gives you an idea of the sort of deal you're getting at least... Marv Hushman fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Sep 2, 2010 |
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Marv Hushman posted:At that price, get it until he IS ready for it Yeah the other one has more than 6k on the clock. I spoke to the guy and it's all good and running though. I would totally buy it, but I don't have 800 bux to spend, nor do I have room for another bike in my apartment parking spot
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Well, I ended up getting the Yamaha FZ6R. I did go check out a CBR F4i 600 and wasn't crazy about the seating position. It was more leaned forward than I like. It was also damaged from a lay down which the ad didn't mention and the battery was dead. Helping a guy push start the bike he's showing you isn't a great way to make a sale. I didn't go look at any SV 650s since the upright version isn't fully faired, which I prefer. Plus I really like that the exhaust on the Yamaha is under the bike out of the way. I can throw my feet on the lower than normal passenger pegs without fear of burning my legs or melting my boots. There's also a lip around the passenger seat that can be used as a handhold or mounting point for straps/nets. Oh and I got the guy to lower the price a bit, ended at 39 instead of 42, so that's cool. I took the interstate home since it was getting late and it handled 70mph+ like it was nothing. 6th gear at 70mph is around 6,000 rpm. My 250 does the same at 9,000rpm. Thanks for the help deciding on the bike. Pretty sure I picked the best one for me out of the alternatives. Now I just need to take off that massive tail fender and replace it with an integrated tail light/blinker and make or buy a license plate mount for the swing arm. QnoisX fucked around with this message at 03:32 on Sep 3, 2010 |
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Excellent choice, you were choosing between a lot of great bikes, couldn't really go wrong with any of them, cheapest FZ6r i've seen around here was maybe 4800$, so you got a pretty good deal.
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Wow. My VFR in like 4th gear is maybe 7000 RPM at 70 MPH. The gearing is stupid high.
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Yeah, I like that I can actually make use of all 6 gears within the speed limit. Not that I have to, it could do 70 in 5th gear just fine, but I like that I can shift up and just cruise. Extra gears I'll never use is the reason I didn't want a bigger bike. Didn't get to ride it today, dealing with tag and title. So I was riding my Ninja around instead. It's legal now, so I'm good to go. The lip on the back makes it really easy to strap down a spare helmet. Now to go find some ladies in need of a lift.
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Z3n posted:I will agree that they're not gonna be faster around the track than any "real" I4 supersport. It'd probably be slower than a 600, honestly. But that's not why you buy one of those...you buy one because it looks awesome, sounds great, and you can't afford an RC51. And then you buy a 954 for $3000 because you realise it's faster than the RC51. I probably posted this before, but a club racing buddy of mine (who had an RC51 street bike) did the pepsi challenge on this one at Loudon and agreed the 954 was quicker everywhere. I say agreed, but it was more like when he was riding the 954 he absolutely hosed off into the distance (racer v. street rider...no contest really), whereas riding the 954 I could keep up with him. It being Loudon, there was only really one straight involved as well. Admittedly the blade didn't have a sick digidash type thing going on, side mounted radiators and a tank with a huge hump in the middle.
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Saga posted:And then you buy a 954 for $3000 because you realise it's faster than the RC51. Yeah honestly, no matter how good any of the twins were when they were first released, there's no way that they can compare to any literbike (or 750, really) made in the last 8 years. But for street use, they're probably better because of the much more street conducive power delivery.
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What are your thoughts on this bike? http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/bnc/mcy/1931944710.html I'm a beginner btw. I know that 250cc would be the smarter choice and is still my first choice if a good deal comes by. Thanks guys. I had this bike in my favorites as well and forgot about it. Kawasaki 2003-it's from a dealer though so not including taxes http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pml/mcy/1913147151.html dogpower fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 5, 2010 |
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Looking at a 2001 Husky TE610E w/ 13000km. The guy is selling it because of kids, seems to be fairly typical. The bike looks good, with really low mileage, pics and description in crazy moon language here: http://www.dba.dk/husqvarna-610-te-e-600-ccm/id-67852719/ (crazy-rear end Google translation) Good starter bike or best starter bike? EDIT: Ha! Google Translate translates the price to £, a mere tenfold increase in cost
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