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First week sales by volume since the start of 2009. Looks like people were okay with Woli till Morikawa started beating the reader over the head with him. 86 - 129530 Start of Miyata vs Randy Boy Junior. 87 - 202120 Middle of Miyata vs Randy Boy Junior. 88 - 152089 End of Miyata vs Randy Boy Junior. 89 - 133627 Takamura match, side-characters and Ippo set up. 90 - 132593 Woli vs Ippo intro and start. 91 - 142210 More Woli. 92 - 124318 Still more Woli. 93 - 110981 End of Woli and start of Itagaki's arc.
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Sep 23, 2010 00:45
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909 raw out. Meet the new godmode, same as the old godmode
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Sep 23, 2010 03:45
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I don't even wanna touch it. Think I'll take an Ippo hiatus for a year or so < >
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Sep 23, 2010 03:48
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Trying to think of the exact point that Hajime no Ippo jumped the shark as a manga and I think it was after Miyata cancelled their fight just after Ippo's win against Take Keiichi. It was finally coming, you goddamn rear end in a top hat, then you pull some lame excuse out of your arse to stop it happening. All down hill from there, even if I didn't really mind the Jimmy and Gedo fights..
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Sep 23, 2010 06:10
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Infinitum posted:Trying to think of the exact point that Hajime no Ippo jumped the shark as a manga and I think it was after Miyata cancelled their fight just after Ippo's win against Take Keiichi. It was finally coming, you goddamn rear end in a top hat, then you pull some lame excuse out of your arse to stop it happening.
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Sep 23, 2010 19:01
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quote:Still not getting the Itagaki hate. Remembering when the manga was vaguely realistic, like the poo poo people had to go through to make weigh-ins and the stuff they did to train. And Itagaki is the most animu loving pun based God-moding nobody. Like when Miyata threw a Jesus punch filled with magic Japanese spirit that went faster than the speed of sound or something, it's a sign of meaningless bullshit getting in the way of a good story. Only Itagki is entirely meaningless bullshit with no redeeming qualities. He adds nothing to the narrative, and slows down the plot of moving to the world stage.
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Sep 23, 2010 19:12
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I just realized something. At this point Karasawa is a better main-shonen character than Ippo is.
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Sep 23, 2010 19:38
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Fabricated posted:Still not getting the Itagaki hate. He can enter bullet time in a manga that is supposed to be somewhat realistic. How are we going to care about a character that (after being outmatched) can just switch god-mode on and proceed to cream his opponent?
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Sep 23, 2010 21:28
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trucutru posted:How are we going to care about a character that (after being outmatched) can just switch god-mode on and proceed to cream his opponent?
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Sep 23, 2010 22:11
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i mean obviously its all been downhill since Takamura became World Champion for the first time
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Sep 24, 2010 00:54
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Wong Dongson posted:Like when Miyata threw a Jesus punch filled with magic Japanese spirit that went faster than the speed of sound or something Its kind of nice that the other manga I saw this in they had the training to make it happen then had his arms pretty much blow up as a result of using it a second time after mangling his hand on impact
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Sep 24, 2010 01:01
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Geop posted:I don't even wanna touch it. Think I'll take an Ippo hiatus for a year or so < I keep clinging on to the hope that someday something awesome will happen again like having Hammer Nao beat the crap out of Itagaki
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Sep 24, 2010 01:28
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Fabricated posted:I'm kinda confused as to who you're referring to...are you talking about Itagaki, Ippo, Miyata, or Takamura? Heck, anyone within the main cast who aren't Aoki and Kimura can do that. They're only really threatened when up against other people from the main cast. Itagaki Speed-God-Modes everything. Miyata can counter anything and even when he's mostly down, he can still all of a sudden throw a counter so sharp the opponent is down. Ippo is made of iron. No hits can bring him down, and even a single hit from him injures the opponent more than hundreds of blows hitting Ippo. Takamura? Takamura is the most ridiculous of them all, being able to win the world championship in a weight class at least twenty kilos below his natural weight. (max weight in Junior middleweight is 69.9 kilos, Let's add some more for good measure. Sendou can't lose to anyone who isn't Ippo. Mashiba can beat the poo poo out of anyone as long as he doesn't get himself disqualified. Any random motherfuckers who end up boxing against one of these will invariably lose.
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Sep 24, 2010 13:08
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Exercu posted:Heck, anyone within the main cast who aren't Aoki and Kimura can do that. They're only really threatened when up against other people from the main cast. While all that is true the difference between Itagaki and the others is that his god-mode doesn't come from any kind of training, he is Woli2, a genius. (It is also the most far-fetched one) The Ippo and Miyata poo poo is also annoying as gently caress but at least they have trained to become mr. counter and mr. punching bag. Takamura is supposed to be superman so him beating the world champion with a hand tied around his back is ok with me.
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Sep 24, 2010 22:55
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I don't think anyone cares when Takamura god modes his way through fights because they're so drat entertaining. That and the fact he's so smug it goes past annoyance into hilarity. "Yep, not gonna take a single punch" *Puts dick in Aoki's face*
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Sep 25, 2010 00:15
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There are a million inconsistencies and big indicators of bad writing. The manga has just slid into a dark period. It's best not to get worked up about it, since our expectations of the author are clearly too high. He's been writing this manga for too long, I think. A nice break and changing direction to something else would help, but this is most likely his cash cow.
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Sep 25, 2010 06:03
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Can chapter 1000 be Ippo punching himself in the dick so hard that the entire planet explodes so this manga can finally be over. Can you even imagine owning a physical copy of every single volume of this?
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Sep 25, 2010 06:18
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tazman posted:I don't think anyone cares when Takamura god modes his way through fights because they're so drat entertaining. That and the fact he's so smug it goes past annoyance into hilarity. Ippo wins by godmode, spends week in hospital and is all "Im still not strong wah" afterwards. Takamura wins by godmode, declares he will give his sperm to all the women in japan and then go to be smug as gently caress on television. He also ordered a bronze statue of himself BEFORE he fought for the world title.
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Sep 25, 2010 20:24
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Forest Fuckery, after carefully considering your post, I believe the way to save Hajime No Ippo is to kill off all the characters, except Takamura.
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Sep 25, 2010 21:10
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Jedah posted:Forest Fuckery, after carefully considering your post, I believe the way to save Hajime No Ippo is to kill off all the characters, except Takamura. Kamagawa is found dead; simultaneously punched by every character in the manga except Takamura. Takamura then spends a final series arc seeking revenge on every boxer in the series.
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Sep 25, 2010 22:48
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In all seriousness, a Takamura "revenge" arc is EXACTLY what this manga needs. Few things in the story were better than Takamura's pure hatred/frustration/and the consequent build-up for battling Bryan Hawk. Takamura hasn't done anything too interesting in a long time.
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Sep 25, 2010 23:38
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Jedah posted:In all seriousness, a Takamura "revenge" arc is EXACTLY what this manga needs. Few things in the story were better than Takamura's pure hatred/frustration/and the consequent build-up for battling Bryan Hawk. Takamura hasn't done anything too interesting in a long time. All of which where only tangentially ippo-related
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Sep 25, 2010 23:57
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Ippo vs Sawamura was rad as hell and definitely up there with the best fights.
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Sep 26, 2010 00:14
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Sindai posted:Ippo vs Sawamura was rad as hell and definitely up there with the best fights. The best Ippo-related fights are probably Ippo vs. Sendo, Ippo vs. Sendo and Ippo vs. Sawamura, yeah. Takamura vs Hawk was one of the few good Takamura fights (Because usually they end by him onepunching his enemies or at least just delivering a horrid smackdown. The moment he's actually pushed to box properly, it's awesome.)
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Sep 26, 2010 15:14
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Exercu posted:Takamura? Takamura is the most ridiculous of them all, being able to win the world championship in a weight class at least twenty kilos below his natural weight. (max weight in Junior middleweight is 69.9 kilos, Japanese frequently fight in lower weight classes because historically they cant contend as well at the world level at their natural weight. KoB fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Sep 30, 2010 |
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Sep 30, 2010 05:21
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KoB posted:Japanese frequently fight in lower weight classes because historically they cant contend as well at the world level at their natural weight. Yeah but he was cutting like loving absurd amounts of weight
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Sep 30, 2010 06:31
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tbp posted:Yeah but he was cutting like loving absurd amounts of weight Ahh, the good days when that was the most ridiculous part of this manga.
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Sep 30, 2010 07:05
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raw is up. Is anyone even scanlating this anymore? it's been like a month  fights over, hooray?
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Oct 1, 2010 23:08
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frabba posted:raw is up. Is anyone even scanlating this anymore? it's been like a month Yeah, there was a big down period. Chapter 907 has just been done: http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/
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Oct 16, 2010 21:59
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Motherfucker just phased out. This is the end of the manga for me. Itagaki just became so fast he sundered the world. Cue the ending montage.
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Oct 16, 2010 22:41
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 This manga needs to end, its a progressive jump the shark over and over again. The only way to make sense of this is the ippo head trauma theory.
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Oct 16, 2010 22:50
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I hope the next chapter starts with Itagaki dead, killed by the centrifugal force he's exerted on his internal organs.
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Oct 16, 2010 23:03
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Coughing Hobo posted:I hope the next chapter starts with Itagaki dead, killed by the centrifugal force he's exerted on his internal organs. The greatest genius, Itagaki the Quick. That'd be a hell of a way to go.
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Oct 16, 2010 23:32
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What the christ was that.
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Oct 17, 2010 04:57
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great, I hope he never reappears
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Oct 17, 2010 04:58
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He actually ran so fast that he hit the ropes and went right over them. No one has noticed that he is on the floor outside the ring yet. Alternately, he just used the speed force to visit the 30th century.
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Oct 17, 2010 05:41
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Pffffttt. Krillin and Master Roshi were doing that wayyyy back, during the first martial arts tournament. That's pretty weak Itagaki, at least throw a Makankosappo or Super Dodon Ray while you're at it.
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Oct 17, 2010 10:05
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I haven't laughed this hard at a manga in a very long time. Now that Itagaki has mastered the art of zwee fighting he can try landing punches again.
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Oct 17, 2010 11:04
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If he hasn't fallen outside the ring in the next chapter, I'mma be pissed.
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After we saw the outrageous antics pulled off in the Woli match, plus the Miyata vs. RBJ match, we had to expect this sort of thing. Plus, Itagaki already had a history of doing insane stuff like this, too. Remember Hoshi? That fight was certainly just as exaggerated, it was just drawn, presented, and executed a lot better. Don't get me wrong, I agree that this new trend of writing is extremely lazy. It doesn't feel (at all) like the same HnI anymore. The manga is transitioning from "somewhat realistic" & character-driven boxing to the new approach of full-blown magical realism. The past emphasis on special technique, feints, mind games, weight control, strategy, and finesse are all quickly disappearing. Just how did this happen? I believe that the "Bolt" punch was a crucial turning point for the manga. Miyata had zero chance of victory and yet still won, for no good reason. He simply should have lost. It's like Mori spit in the faces of all the die-hard fans, and frankly, fans of common sense and logic. It was a clear proclamation of "Hey guys. This is my manga, I'm going to do whatever the gently caress I please." Takamura is supposed to be the only character in the manga who wins unconditionally. Certainly, we have accepted his role, even if it means his fights are reduced to lovely gimmicks & silly jokes sometimes. However, now Ippo, Miyata, AND Itagaki can pull off their own version of "godmode," also known as "deus ex machina," also known as "regardless of what happens, I will win." Well, that's not very interesting to read. I would be fine with everything if the fights weren't so predictable. That's what kills it for me. For example, I'm about 99.9% positive Itagaki will win Class A. Where's the drama, suspense, or tension if the fan knows what is coming? For the record, I truly hope that I'm wrong, I really, really do. I pray Morikawa does the completely unexpected and takes the manga into uncharted territory. Like many of you, I'm a long-time fan of the series, but it's very difficult to be positive for the future of the manga. Jedah fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Oct 17, 2010 |
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