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This is our happy Jeff - Stretching out on his new favourite place. He pretty much has full reign of this sofa now, as we sit on one across the room. Originally he was very weary and didnt really jump up on his own, and took ownership of a keyboard that sits on the floor in front of the TV, but now that he's found this slightly higher ( and softer ) place, I think he's alot happier. He's part-lionhead, but we think he's a bit of a mongrel.. anyone any ideas? We'll do a wee introduction thread soon, my girlfriend and i have been lurking the thread for some time!   edit: bonus picture of him when he was still wee and we'd just got him! : 
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Pollyanna posted:I've always wondered...dogs bark and cats meow, but what sound do rabbits make? I know that for the most part, they're practically mute, and I think they don't make much noise unless they're in trouble, but is it like squeaking or purring or something like that? Alice grunts sometimes when she's investigating things, it does sound a lot like a "hm." Sometimes when she's really excited and hopping around she makes a sort of gutteral swallowing sound over and over, "gulpgulpgulp" but a little high pitched.
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Rabbits growl when upset and scream like a woman being stabbed if they think they're dying. It's a bone chilling noise. They also thump with their back feet when irritated and can chatter their teeth when happy (it's very quiet however). All in all, pretty quiet animals.
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Nov 26, 2010 22:37
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Glasgow posted:Sometimes when she's really excited and hopping around she makes a sort of gutteral swallowing sound over and over, "gulpgulpgulp" but a little high pitched. Pepper does this when she's running really hard. I always assumed that it meant, "Yay! I'm running!" She makes a somewhat similar sound when she's sleeping really hard.
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Anything I should worry about with my bunny and Christmas tree in the same room? Obviously I want to keep him away from light strands and ornaments, but the tree itself is fine right? He'll probably get curious and start sniffing around it while it's not decorated and I just want to be doubly sure that he can't hurt himself 
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How steady is the tree? I know rabbits love to push things over. And of course make sure he doesn't get near any electric cords. ... Are pine needles bad for a rabbit to eat? Because he will eat them.
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DS at Night posted:How steady is the tree? I know rabbits love to push things over. And of course make sure he doesn't get near any electric cords. It's definitely steady. He won't knock it over. I was thinking along the same lines as you about the pine needles. I don't want him to eat anything that will hurt him and I have no idea if pine needles would be bad for him.
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Can anyone recommend a good play tunnel for a rabbit to run through? Our rabbit is a little butt who hates most toys, ignores them or tosses them out of his area. We've found what keeps him most engaged is having lots of things to climb over/through. We've been wanting to get him a tunnel for a while, thing is, most 'rabbit' tunnels are too small (made more for guinea pig/ferret sizing, and our rabbit isn't huge but he is about 5 1/2 pounds), and most 'kid-size' tunnels are too huge and would barely fit into his area. What do you guys use?Ehud posted:Anything I should worry about with my bunny and Christmas tree in the same room? Obviously I want to keep him away from light strands and ornaments, but the tree itself is fine right? He'll probably get curious and start sniffing around it while it's not decorated and I just want to be doubly sure that he can't hurt himself If you're worried, you can try one of these - http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=17948 We use it for under our tv table, it keeps the rabbit from getting to the cords. Obviously, it's short enough to hop over, the key is putting it someplace where hopping over it is not too possible - so for us, the gate reaches to the bottom of the table and creates an impenetrable barrier. For you, I'd say if the gate reaches to the bottom of the branches on the tree, you should be good - just gate-gate-gate then-needles should hopefully impede the bunny. Of course, he will find ways to push it in unless it's braced against stuff, but it'll at least be a bit of a barrier. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Nov 27, 2010 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can anyone recommend a good play tunnel for a rabbit to run through? Our rabbit is a little butt who hates most toys, ignores them or tosses them out of his area. We've found what keeps him most engaged is having lots of things to climb over/through. We've been wanting to get him a tunnel for a while, thing is, most 'rabbit' tunnels are too small (made more for guinea pig/ferret sizing, and our rabbit isn't huge but he is about 5 1/2 pounds), and most 'kid-size' tunnels are too huge and would barely fit into his area. What do you guys use? We have one of these and one a Large Peeled Willow Round Tunnel (BB-39) from the Busy Bunny website. We bought the peeled willow stuff for Cilantro before her incisors were removed, so now we have all of these nice, now-permanent wooden toys for her.
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pseudonordic posted:We have one of these and one a Large Peeled Willow Round Tunnel (BB-39) from the Busy Bunny website. Oh awesome! I can't seem to find the BASTIS online, but I'm def gonna pick up that willow tunnel! Also, has anyone ever used the Maze Haven you can buy at Busy Bunny? I think my bunny would love it, but it's cardboard. The description says it's very sturdy & high-quality, made for rabbit 'redecorating' behaviours. Confirm/deny? http://store.busybunny.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?RowID=819&CategoryID=53&Refresh=True&COButton=Check%20Out EDIT: Basically, I'm just torn between getting the Maze Haven, or something more like this: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/Product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=12643 More sturdy, less versatile though. StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Nov 27, 2010 |
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can anyone recommend a good play tunnel for a rabbit to run through? Our rabbit is a little butt who hates most toys, ignores them or tosses them out of his area. We've found what keeps him most engaged is having lots of things to climb over/through. We've been wanting to get him a tunnel for a while, thing is, most 'rabbit' tunnels are too small (made more for guinea pig/ferret sizing, and our rabbit isn't huge but he is about 5 1/2 pounds), and most 'kid-size' tunnels are too huge and would barely fit into his area. What do you guys use? I got a cat tunnel which seems to be the right size and he did enjoy playing with that but then he started eating it so I had to take it away again :[
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I've never used the maze haven, but it looks nice enough. I create something similar with nested cardboard boxes - two copier paper boxes at right angles inside a Kleenmama's hay box. I start them with very small holes (about 3"x3") and the first thing my guys do is chew bigger openings to connect all the boxes. You can also get concrete form tubes at hardware stores. Just be sure you find one that is plain untreated cardboard - usually the cheapest.
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Someone on CL is selling an extra large crate, 42"x28" and 9.3sq ft, for $50. I remember having a rabbit in a dog crate when I was younger, but it was a small crate so I think I made a cube-cage for him eventually. If I put down some grass mats or something, is there any reason a crate wouldn't work?
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If this is the wire-sided type crate, not at all, I regularly recommend these crates to people who can't do the C&C thing. That size is big enough that you could add a partial second story as well. The only problem you might find is that without any edging along the bottom, hay, poos and fur go EVERYWHERE.
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alucinor posted:If this is the wire-sided type crate, not at all, I regularly recommend these crates to people who can't do the C&C thing. That size is big enough that you could add a partial second story as well. It is wire-sided. Hopefully I'll get a chance to look at it soon, I'm eager to get Lola into something bigger. That cage she came with is 30x19, so just 4sq ft. With her dishes and litter box in there there's barely any room for a rabbit! I found a guide for how to build a shelf for a crate: http://www.therabbithouse.com/indoor/dogcrate_shelf.asp I'm interested in trying it, but all the tools I own are for metal working. I'm going to try to think of a simpler solution, assuming I get that crate.
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I always made my shelves with a trio of wooden dowels (round or square, your choice) which just barely fit through the bars, and a plank on top of those. You can drill holes in the plank to zip tie it in place.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Can anyone recommend a good play tunnel for a rabbit to run through? Our rabbit is a little butt who hates most toys, ignores them or tosses them out of his area. We've found what keeps him most engaged is having lots of things to climb over/through. We've been wanting to get him a tunnel for a while, thing is, most 'rabbit' tunnels are too small (made more for guinea pig/ferret sizing, and our rabbit isn't huge but he is about 5 1/2 pounds), and most 'kid-size' tunnels are too huge and would barely fit into his area. What do you guys use? Grr, I can't view some of the links people have posted. But here - http://www.bunnybunchboutique.com/livingnew.html I have used the cardboard tunnel, maze haven, and cottontail cottage, all to good effect.
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Glasgow posted:Grr, I can't view some of the links people have posted. But here - http://www.bunnybunchboutique.com/livingnew.html I have used the cardboard tunnel, maze haven, and cottontail cottage, all to good effect. Oh sweet! Thanks for this link - I grabbed the Maze Haven and the willow tunnel and, since shipping was a bit cheaper here, I saved about 5 bucks from what it would've cost at the Busy Bunny. My rabbit is gonna have a very happy holiday!
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Um... what advice would you guys have for a rabbit noob who just found an abandoned rabbit? I was walking my dog in the park, and I saw some sort of cage in the bushes. I thought it was a trap for a pesky raccoon or something, but I got closer and realized it was a bent-up small animal cage. I got even closer, and realized said small animal was still in it (despite the door being open). It had been raining all night and day and so the poor thing's cage was flooded and it was sopping wet, cold and miserable.  So I grabbed the cage and brought it home to get it dry and fed. While carrying it I noticed it has a nasty wound on its side. The bunny is dry and warm now. It's acting normally, eating well, grooming, etc. It LOVES head scratches and seems pretty friendly - it's not even scared of our cats. I just went up to the pet store and bought some Carefresh bedding and generic rabbit food pellets, but I'm guessing there's better stuff out there. Also got it some chew sticks which he/she quite likes. I would absolutely love to keep the little thing, but we live with my boyfriend's parents and his dad's allergic (plus our 3 cats and big dog are enough for me). So I'm going to try and find it a good home. I just don't understand how anyone could abandon such a sweet, adorable thing. Obligatory pics:  Click here for the full 1303x1838 image. The wound. A lot of it's hidden by the fur.  Click here for the full 1536x2048 image. The cage it was left in is obviously too small for the poor thing, but I don't really have any spare cash to go buying a nice cage for a bunny I'm not even keeping.  Click here for the full 1095x821 image. Look at this face! How could anyone abandon that? .JPG) Click here for the full 1095x821 image.
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Skizzles posted:Um... what advice would you guys have for a rabbit noob who just found an abandoned rabbit? You're doing a great job so far. Make sure that the rabbit is thoroughly dried, you mentioned that he was wet due to the rain. Pellets are not the best thing for him but due to the situation it is a decent temporary solution. Provide him with some fresh herbs like parsley or cilantro, or dark leaf veg (not iceberg lettuce). Watch to make sure he is eating and pooping. The cage is small but let him have free-run time (in a bunny-proofed room and/or with close supervision) every day, minimum one hour but hopefully as much as possible. The thing I am most concerned about is his wound. I would contact an exotics vet and explain the situation, and see if you can get him examined. If he was bit by a cat, for example, it is easy for the wound to become infected. You may want to contact a local chapter of the House Rabbit Society and see if they have a suggestion for vet treatment - again, explain the situation and that you are willing to foster him, but that he needs to be seen for his injury. He looks very sweet but it may be hard to find him a forever home, a lot of people are put off by red-eyed whites (REW) which is what he appears to be from the pictures. It's too bad because they are very sweet and loving creatures  Just be patient and continue to give him love and affection, it is the best thing you can do at the moment.
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candeh posted:The thing I am most concerned about is his wound. OH, totally forgot to mention, I already have a vet appointment set up for him tomorrow morning to get it treated.
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Skizzles posted:OH, totally forgot to mention, I already have a vet appointment set up for him tomorrow morning to get it treated. This is great as long as it's an exotic vet. Cat/dog vets will often claim to treat rabbits but in truth don't know about their care, rabbits are considered an exotic animal. http://www.aemv.org/vetlist.cfm is a good list by state/country of exotic mammal vets and your local HRS can also recommend a trusted vet. It's particularly important to be sure because it is likely the rabbit will need antibiotics and some which are ok for dogs/cats are absolutely fatal to rabbits. Here is a list of antibiotics which are harmful to rabbits that you can print and bring with you to the vet: http://bit.ly/e8ilae. Baytril is generally the antibiotic of choice for rabbits. Again, you are doing a really good job!
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According to that list there are only two exotic vets in my city, one of which works for Banfield. After the countless horror stories I've heard, I refuse to go to Banfield, so that leaves one. I called asking if my dog/cat vet does rabbits and they said no, but that they had a new vet starting tomorrow who does do rabbits. So maybe this guy isn't on that list yet. Would it still be wise to go to him? Either way I will definitely jot down those antibiotics and make sure he doesn't give those.
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Bear in mind that is not a complete list, it is only a list of vets who are part of the Association of Exotic Mammal Vets. Interesting that they just happen to have a vet starting tomorrow that knows rabbits... I would get the vet's name and try to find info on him/her, see if I can find where they practiced before (think like you're going to see a Specialist doctor for yourself).
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Yeah, I'd check into that. I've gotten lied to by a vet's office before about whether or not they have a vet capable of treating rabbits, lost $500 and had my poor rabbit invasively examined . They even put him under anesthesia because they were too inept to know how to properly handle him. To put that into perspective, anesthetizing your rabbit is incredibly risky, rabbits are tricky animals and sometimes die even under small amount of anesthesia, so they basically put my rabbit in fatal danger because they couldn't hold him correctly. A lot of places will claim they can treat rabbits because, well, they want your money. (It was Animal Kind vet hospital in Brooklyn, for anyone curious who wants to avoid. They still claim they can take exotics, but have absolutely no exotics specialist on staff. Drives me bonkers. They also have a vet on staff who has been accused of kicking and punching a dog, from eyewitness accounts. I've never actively wanted a vet office to go out-of-business, but these people were awful and only want your money, soooo yep!) StrangersInTheNight fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Dec 1, 2010 |
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Glasgow posted:Grr, I can't view some of the links people have posted. But here - http://www.bunnybunchboutique.com/livingnew.html I have used the cardboard tunnel, maze haven, and cottontail cottage, all to good effect. I think Busy Bunny has some of that stuff for cheaper, not sure. I don't have the Busy Bunny link on me right this second, but it's linked from rabbit.org. I will say that those Cottontail Cottages are a hit over here.
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Bean posted:I think Busy Bunny has some of that stuff for cheaper, not sure. I don't have the Busy Bunny link on me right this second, but it's linked from rabbit.org. It does, but for me the shipping is more at Busy Bunny. So for example the Maze Haven & xl will tunnel at busy bunny was 76 shipped to me, but at bunnybunch was 71 shipped. I'd just say check what your final total would be at both before buying at either, and choose whichever is cheaper.
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Yeah, I'd check into that. Well if it helps, this is the same vet office I use for my cats/dog. My boyfriend's parents used them for years with their dogs and highly recommended them. From how they've done with my cats (I haven't taken the dog yet) I really like them. They were really good with handling the cats and the assistant was petting and soothing them through the whole exam. They didn't want to do anything extra or unnecessary. But if I feel anything's fishy with how the new vet handles the bunny I will protest and take her elsewhere. Oh, and yes, we figured out the bunny is a girl. She is pooping a lot now that she's gotten some food in her.
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I am so sad that the bunny was abandoned like that but I am so glad that you found it. I can't even imagine who would try to end an animal's life like that. So selfish and cruel. How could you not look back on that moment for the rest of your life and not feel like the biggest piece of poo poo. I hope you find a good home for the bunny and that she gets all the love she deserves
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Skizzles posted:Well if it helps, this is the same vet office I use for my cats/dog. I am sure that they are a great place to take a cat or dog but rabbits are not the same thing at all. Small mammals (including rabbits) are considered "exotic animals" by vet standards, in the same way that birds and reptiles are. Their care and physiology isn't covered in depth in the general curriculum for cat/dog vets, which is why you want to take them to an exotic vet (who has been further educated on their care and needs, and will have ongoing practical experience with rabbits). Please understand that this is not about how good the vet is with your cats or dogs, but that this is mostly likely completely out of their realm of experience and understandably so. Please keep us posted on what happened at the vet, regardless of where you go! candeh fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Dec 1, 2010 |
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It was the same vet office, but a different vet. I dunno if I clarified or if it doesn't matter either way. I hope I did the right thing. But the vet visit went well and I really liked her. She has a bunny of her own. She says our bunny (now named Cinnabun) is still quite young, and probably a New Zealand...something. I forget.  She and the assistant handled her really well, but it helps she is just naturally cooperative with that sort of thing, so there was no trouble there. She shaved around the wound and checked it out. It appears to be an old wound that is healing on its own, so she didn't want to bother closing it up. I expressed my concern about the antibiotics and before I could finish my sentence she goes "Oh yes, many can be very bad or fatal for them" and she gave me a bottle of liquid antibiotic to feed twice a day. I can't remember the name (it was a big word, I feel horrible for not remembering ) but the papers say TMS/SMZ. She proceeded to ask what I was feeding her and suggested some dark green veggies (she said no iceberg lettuce of course) and carrot tops and such. I felt like she really knew what she was talking about and doing, but what do you guys think? Since I rescued the bunny, they didn't charge me for the exam, only the antibiotics, which I thought it was super nice of them. I bought her some cilantro, parsley, and organic carrots with leafy tops today. I also got her some timothy hay which she was quite happy about. What's the general consensus on alfalfa cubes? I saw some of those at the store too. Skizzles fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Dec 1, 2010 |
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/\/\ Hah, posted while I was! I'm glad it went well!Skizzles posted:Well if it helps, this is the same vet office I use for my cats/dog. Basically, what candeh said. I wasn't commenting just on the demeanour of the vet's office I went to - but that a regular vet claiming they can 'handle' a rabbit is often disastrous. They're considered exotics and need exotic vets, vets who have been specially trained to deal with rabbits and their ailments.
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The vet sounds ok. The antibiotic is appropriate. One thing you could ask the vet to be sure: when bun needs to be spayed, would this vet be able to do it? And would she spay total, ovarian only, or uterine only? She does look like a young New Zealand White. Alfalfa is fine for rabbits under 1 year, but get loose hay, not the cubes (the long strands in the loose hay are better for tooth wear and digestion). My rescue is in NC - we don't have any room for her at the moment, but contact me if you need a courtesy listing on Petfinder. We can do location based listings now, so I could list her to show up in your zip code.
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alucinor posted:The vet sounds ok. The antibiotic is appropriate. One thing you could ask the vet to be sure: when bun needs to be spayed, would this vet be able to do it? And would she spay total, ovarian only, or uterine only? Awesome, thanks. Yeah I was wondering about the spay thing. Are one of those (total, ovarian, uterine) better than the other or some such? And a Petfinder listing would be fantastic.  I'll get some good pics and a bio written up soon.
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Skizzles posted:Awesome, thanks. Yeah I was wondering about the spay thing. Are one of those (total, ovarian, uterine) better than the other or some such? Yeah it needs to be a total spay. So it's a good red flag question if a vet doesn't know that. Another would be "how often do the molars need to be examined for malloclusion"? (Yearly). Vets whose only experience with rabbits is a lab at school sometimes respond "oh, never! Rabbits' molars don't overgrow!"  I do need to tell you that her adoption prospects aren't too great: rabbits ain't moving for poo poo right now. I don't think we've even had a rabbit application since midsummer. She's very young, which could work in her favor, but she's PEW, as candeh points out, and she's gonna be huge as an adult. Both those latter two points may mean she's looking at months to never for adoption.
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alucinor posted:. Both those latter two points may mean she's looking at months to never for adoption. I hate people so much. The person who bought this rabbit and abandoned it and the people who don't like rabbits and refuse to get them as rescues. a while ago I saw a German Lop adult looking for a home at a shelter near me. I have a GL and thought they would be cute together if I could bond all three. It took everything I had for me to not adopt him. EVERYTHING. And I posted ads on the Toronto thread on SA, posted on craigslist and put the ad where I saw him up in the restaurant I worked in AND the coffee shop my boyfriend works in. He had been there for almost a year and I wanted more than anything for him to be brofriends with Paterson.
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alucinor posted:Yeah it needs to be a total spay. So it's a good red flag question if a vet doesn't know that. Another would be "how often do the molars need to be examined for malloclusion"? (Yearly). Vets whose only experience with rabbits is a lab at school sometimes respond "oh, never! Rabbits' molars don't overgrow!" Awesome, I will keep those questions in mind. I have a follow-up appointment on Monday. Yeah I had a feeling bunnies weren't too hot, especially if they have "oh god creepy red eyes EVIL!"  I'll get around to posting some ads at the vet and local pet stores too. I'm refusing to give her to anyone unless they plan to buy her a bigger cage.
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Yeah, she's gonna be a giant, so they really need a pen rather than a cage. Here's a shopping list and some care info in case you need it (for yourself, or for a potential adopter).
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Skizzles, that bunny is so lucky to have found you. It's amazing that it could be put through so much abuse and still be sweet. Poor thing. The past three weeks a bunch of rabbits have appeared at my humane society. One of the two guys that was there before was adopted, but 8 new ones just showed up. Once Lola is spayed and I have her cage worked out (and I'm back from Christmas break), I might get her bonded to a friend! I have no idea why they got so many all at once, but it does make me kind of sad. In other news, Lola has finally started allowing Doc Faustus to pet her. That only took two months. I think it's because he never put in the time just laying on the floor chilling with her. Prior to last night she was on a 4 day streak with no pee on the carpet! I think she was in heat last week, given the spraying and the constant floor peeing. Also, I added hay to all of her litterboxes, rather than just the one in her cage. I think that helped. My first effort at getting her a bigger cage was a disaster. The crate I bought was 48x30, not 42x27 (I got confused because no one returned any emails for like a week). It was way too big for our little office, so I'm trying to unload it right now. Also, the front panel popped off when I tried to close the door. And Lola thumped at it a whole bunch. It was really frustrating However, she got her bloodwork back from the vet and she's perfectly healthy. Time to make a spay appointment! What do you guys do when you leave town? I'm going to be gone for a week around Christmas, and my friend did offer to watch my cats, but I'm not sure if she could do the bunny too. I'm worried she won't get any out-of-cage time. That's why I'm kind of stressed about finding her a bigger cage right now.
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dopaMEAN posted:In other news, Lola has finally started allowing Doc Faustus to pet her. That only took two months. I think it's because he never put in the time just laying on the floor chilling with her. Paterson was afraid of hands at first. We got around it by petting him with our feet until he understood that hands are for loving, not hurting. He could try to do that for a little while and see if that helps.
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