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PLUCKY PROTAGONIST! posted:All of these words for no idiot reason. Hero obviously might not even know what position he is maybe quit being a spaz retard. Also "I'm last to act, one guy before me bets 16, which I call. Flop comes " which is pretty clearly preflop which makes him BB. Where can you post a dead sb/bb on the button to enter a game? You certainly can't do that in Macau or Canada. I skimmed through the description of action, and on further review it does appear as if it's blind vs blind. Still, given the ambiguity of the first bit, it's an easy mistake to make.
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Squibz posted:Where can you post a dead sb/bb on the button to enter a game? You certainly can't do that in Macau or Canada. I've found the problem.  Anyways waar pretty much covered the hand so let's move on, shall we?
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Rush so no reads: Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($6.19) SB ($5.79) BB ($14.71) Hero (UTG) ($5.44) MP ($9.03) CO ($5.07) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10  , 10 Hero bets $0.17, MP calls $0.17, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold Flop: ($0.56) 8  , 6, 5 (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, 1 fold, SB raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.45 Turn: ($2.06) 6 (2 players)SB bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70 River: ($3.46) 3  (2 players)SB bets $2.86, Hero calls $2.86 Total pot: $9.18 | Rake: $0.61 Results: SB had 8 , 8 (full house, eights over sixes).Hero had 10 , 10 (two pair, tens and sixes).Outcome: SB won $8.57 Wanted some thoughts on this hand. I've lost a few pots like this recently and am trying to get some thoughts on similar spots. Not sure how to interpret the tiny raise on the flop - at the time I thought it was a 7x type of hand trying to possibly get me to fold something like KQ/AK-J etc. Small bet on the turn seemed like a weak barrel attempt - again made me think he could be drawing and can get away with a smallish blocker bet to see the river The river bricks, he bets big and I station snap call. I hate check calling the turn and river. Any value in c/r on the turn? I think after looking at the results his line makes sense but everything else he could be repping/semi-bluffing bricked but I guess the river should have screamed value and not desperation bluff.
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You're just bluff catching starting from when you call the flop, you're not beating any of his value range. There's also not that many 7x hands in his range that will c/r flop, a lot of them will be pair + draw and c/c'ing or 79 which is the nuts. You can really only hope for A7 or maybe T7s. People will just c/c these a lot too, especially at the micros I'm guessing. On the turn he could be betting small for a ton of reasons, the one you gave makes sense but he shouldn't have too many semibluffs in his range to start with. He could have a straight and now is afraid of being beat with the board pair so he bets smaller. And of course a full house could bet small just because he has the board crushed. It's also good to bet tiny with a full house because he wants to keep every hand in that is drawing dead, like it would be a disaster if you folded 77 on the turn if he bet like $1.60. So generally in these spots I'm just folding on the flop, there's just a ton of value hands he can have and he's most likely a passive player. We basically have no equity to improve and there are a lot of bad cards for us on later streets. Folding the flop could possibly be a small mistake against some people, but calling sets us up for really big mistakes.
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ZeroStar posted:but calling sets us up for really big mistakes. Thanks zero great advice as usual - I think the above is something I need to pay more attention to and avoid really marginal spots on later streets.
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Teppec sweated and wanted me to post some hands Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Hero (BB) ($20.79) UTG ($21.28) MP ($10.10) CO ($10.50) Button ($6.45) SB ($5.55) Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 , 102 folds, CO calls $0.10, 2 folds, Hero checks Flop: ($0.25) 3 , 9, 6 (2 players)Hero bets $0.20, CO calls $0.20 Turn: ($0.65) 9 (2 players)Hero checks, CO checks River: ($0.65) 8 (2 players)Hero checks, CO bets $0.65, Hero calls $0.65 Total pot: $1.95 | Rake: $0.13 ------------------------------------------------------------ Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com CO ($10) Button ($10.53) Hero (SB) ($15.66) BB ($12.72) UTG ($38.14) MP ($10.14) Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 , 91 fold, MP bets $0.40, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold Flop: ($0.90) 5 , 4, 3 (2 players)Hero checks, MP bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60 Turn: ($2.10) 3 (2 players)Hero checks, MP bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10 River: ($4.30) Q (2 players)Hero checks, MP bets $2.90, Hero calls $2.90 Total pot: $10.10 | Rake: $0.67 ------------------------------------------------------------ Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Hero (Button) ($17.26) SB ($10.12) BB ($23.08) UTG ($8.46) MP ($10.15) CO ($14.04) Preflop: Hero is Button with J , K2 folds, CO bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds Flop: ($0.75) 2 , 4, 3 (2 players)CO checks, Hero checks Turn: ($0.75) K (2 players)CO bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50 River: ($1.75) 7 (2 players)CO bets $1, Hero calls $1 Total pot: $3.75 | Rake: $0.25
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I'll post what I thought first since I told him to post the hands. He has no hud stats because he's a dirty mac user. Hand 1 I like a flop check/raise. As played I think river is a pretty easy call. Villain isn't going to have alot of 9s or overpairs, we beat his air and his 6x,77, don't think he bets 55 and below but you never know and he shouldn't have too many 8s either unless it's 86/87/89/8T/A8 and we beat or chop with most of those too. Hand 2 At first I liked a call, but I misread preflop/flop action because I was checking something else and thought villain had flatted an open and then bet flop when checked to, not that he opened and 3-barreled. I think I kind of prefer a fold now but it still might be close since villain is repping pretty thin by the river. Hand 3 I think is probably a fold. I'd like you to bet that in position with the overs and the flush redraw when villain checks flop. Most people checking as pfr at micros are usually giving up, and if he check/raises, easy hand to throw away. As played villain is probably beating you when the K turns and he bet/bets the 3 straight 3 flush board.
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Live 1/2 NLHE game at a casino, $100 buy-in: 7 players, 3 big stacks of about 4BIs (to my right), 2 stacks of about 1.5BIs, one short stack of ~80 chips (all the smaller stacks were to my left), I was at 2BIs or so. Action is extremely loose and two of the big stacks are basically total calling stations though I don't have that great a read on the 3rd big stack: UTG: dealt 10 10, I make it 20 (standard raise was about 15) hoping to isolate one or two players....but all 5 other players who were sitting down call. Flop: Q Q Q I check, intending to check-raise 99% sure I have the best hand and someone will bet...there would have been a 3bet with any better pocket pair. Shortstack shoves for like 65 more, everyone folds, I call, guy to my left folds, shover shows A8, river was a Queen so he hit his 4-outer, though it's likely someone else folded an Ace. Main question though...would it have been better just to limp in there UTG cause 10s aren't that great and then check-raising to any action pre-flop? Is check-raising that effective against such loose players especially when I would've been out of position if I had bricked pre-flop and some Broadway cards came? Or was my play decent despite it resulting being a hand with OK cards against a range of any Ace, weak pocket pair, and suited connectors? I know the UTG raise is kinda shakey. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 23, 2010 |
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Dec 23, 2010 18:13
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why aren't tens great in what is presumably a loose-passive live game? your reads on everyone is that they are calling stations, so why would they wake up all of a sudden and raise? why do you think your preflop raise is "shaky"?
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bbc what it dew posted:why aren't tens great in what is presumably a loose-passive live game? You really want to play TT OOP vs 5 people in a big pot? I mean the pot's already ~60bbs going to the flop.
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Dec 23, 2010 22:14
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bbc what it dew posted:why aren't tens great in what is presumably a loose-passive live game? It wasn't like I was the only person betting at the table. edit: Also it was just my reads on two of the big stacks that they were calling stations, one MP guy was just an idiot, I had played with UTG+1 before in a tourney and he's decent but very loose, other players I hadn't seen do too much. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 24, 2010 |
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Dec 24, 2010 04:06
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Don't open limp. No matter how clever you think you're being, don't do it. Especially not UTG.
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Poker Stars, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter SB: $241 Hero (BB): $117.70 UTG: $208.45 UTG+1: $200 UTG+2: $160.75 MP1: $200 MP2: $200.65 CO: $200 BTN: $186.20 CO posts $2 Pre-Flop: J  A dealt to Hero (BB)5 folds, CO checks, BTN raises to $6, SB folds, Hero raises to $16, CO folds, BTN calls $10 Flop: ($35) T 4 6 (2 Players)Hero bets $24, BTN raises to $170.20 and is All-In, Hero calls $77.70 and is All-In Turn: ($238.40) K (2 Players - 1 is All-In)River: ($238.40) 7 (2 Players - 1 is All-In)Villain had been ultra aggressive for the 5 rotations I had been on the table. Three hands prior he had done the quick shove raise, but it was a no show down. Out of position this was probably a very laggy call, right? He shoved within a second of my bet. This made me think it was a bluff, plus his constant aggression. I did think he could be calling me with a pocket pair, but I didn't think he'd shove like that with a set. I put him on overs. edit: whoops sorry didn't mean to post results. Taken out. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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Jan 14, 2011 14:59
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You edited out results but left those color tags in? anyways, why are you not 3betting more, especially OOP?
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Jan 14, 2011 17:51
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I didn't notice the color tags, just the result. As you can tell, I don't really use that many hand converters, and the link in the OP was a dead link. I took em out. What would be a better amount to 3 bet there? 25? If that's $26 instead of $16, do you think he folds more often? Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jan 14, 2011 |
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Jan 14, 2011 18:43
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why are you 3betting how does your stack size affect your decision
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Jan 14, 2011 19:47
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Yeah, why are you shortstacking what is apparently a full buyin table?
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Jan 14, 2011 19:54
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Also you don't necessarily want him to be bluffing here because a lot of the "bluffs" not only beat us but have duplicate cards. We're much better off if he has T9 here than AQ/AK. Stack sizes are a little too weird for me to be three-betting this small pre. Once you flop the nut flush and overs on a trashy board in a 3 bet pot with 50 BB behind, all the money is going in with a vast majority of his preflop range that can call a three-bet pre (especially if he's going to turn some of the rare hands he has that can't get it in for value into bluff shoves) so I don't even know if it matters how we get it in.
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Teppec posted:Yeah, why are you shortstacking what is apparently a full buyin table? I have to get that "auto re-buy" thing going. I lost a set vs set hand vs UTG 2 about 3 hands earlier and didn't re-buy yet. And I was 3-betting because he had been very aggressive and it was a heads up hand at that point. I now know that I was 3-betting too small. Would it be better if I were 3 betting higher, or would it be better if I were just flat calling? edit: I'm sorry if these are elementary questions, I'm just trying to hash out some things and I'm willing to take the lumps/mental beat down of being viewed as a retard to learn and get better. I just signed up for SpiceBox and have been watching those videos but I feel like I need to re-watch them to fully understand a lot of things. I noticed that I was 3 better far too little (only when I had AK/QQ-AA) and playing scared when I had small hands on trashy flops. I'm trying hard not to be a nit, and I'm actually gonna try to improve with time. I figured it would happen by playing tons of hands but sure enough, no. I know it's probably annoying to answer silly questions, but if you guys don't mind answering them I'd like to keep posting hands where I question my moves and ask about em. Amy Pole Her fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Jan 15, 2011 |
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Jan 15, 2011 00:38
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Crazy685 posted:And I was 3-betting because he had been very aggressive and it was a heads up hand at that point. I now know that I was 3-betting too small. Would it be better if I were 3 betting higher, or would it be better if I were just flat calling? I think in general this is a read-dependent spot and "aggressive" isn't enough of a read. Exactly how wide is his button open range? Is he folding to three-bets? Is he four-betting? What's his four-bet range? What's your image? What is he doing on flops? etc etc etc With no read I'd lean more towards three-betting with 100 BB deep stacks and flatting with 60 BB deep stacks. It's probably optional either way. If you're going to three-bet here, I'd make it something like $20; my general philosophy is to three-bet smaller in position and larger OOP but I don't think that's necessarily a universal norm. Two metagame things I'd suggest for you that aren't exactly related to this hand: 1.) Drop a bit in stakes if the money is meaningful to you. NL200 is awful high to be working out fundamentals like bet sizing. You're probably going to be much better off in a number of ways in the long run by learning while four or six tabling NL25 than struggling with NL200. 2.) Assuming you haven't, and since you didn't post stats I think this is probably a safe assumption, I'd also invest in HEM. If you've got enough of a roll to be playing anywhere near this high, it's foolish to not have stats to both find your own leaks and find other people's leaks. Also while Spicebox is quite informative, most of the videos on there are a number of years old and the games have changed a lot, especially at the lower midstakes level. You may want to consider a short-term membership at Cardrunners or Deuces Cracked or somewhere like that. I think some of them even still have free trials where you can download lots of different stuff.
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I viewed a couple of the free videos on CardRunners, but I was going to ask the opinions on both of those sites. I'll take up a membership at CardRunners just to fix some leaks. I'm foolish, I play NL200 live, and I figured to stick with it since that was what I knew. I do well enough live, but it seems that I'm struggling at the online game. I have a $2000 bankroll for online. I'll drop down to NL25 like you suggested, maybe 2-3 tabling it. What's the best HEM for me to invest in?
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Jan 15, 2011 06:14
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Crazy685 posted:I viewed a couple of the free videos on CardRunners, but I was going to ask the opinions on both of those sites. I'll take up a membership at CardRunners just to fix some leaks. The skill you see at a live games is generally like what you'd see multiple levels below in an online game. Bankroll rule of thumb for NL cash games is to have ~25-30 buy-ins for your stake (provided you can win there). If you're interested in Cardrunners, this deal will let you earn free subscriptions as you earn points on FTP without interfering with rakeback or whatever. DeucesCracked does a 7-day free trial during which you can download as many videos as you like, DRM-free, and save them to watch after canceling the trial. I'm playing the same stakes you're looking at moving to, NL25 on the way to 50, and some great series that really helped me include WiltOnTilt's Real Life Micro NL Grinder and tubasteve's Road to Robusto NL. Baby Steps and From the Ground up if you want something a little more basic. Eightfold Path, Mathematics of NL Holdem are great for anybody. The only differences in the versions of Hold'Em Manager are support for Omaha costs extra, and there's a small stakes version that costs like half the other but only supports up to a certain level, either NL50 or 100, I forget. If you start with a cheaper version, you can buy a discounted unlock for Omaha or higher stakes later. There's also the competing Poker Tracker 3 which basically does the same stuff but HEM seems to be more popular around here.
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Jan 15, 2011 06:33
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I play up to 5/10 live (usually 2/5) and rarely venture over NL50 online (although I've played regularly as high as NL200 in the past, that's more a financial comfort thing tbqh). The online-to-live skill gap has gotten especially wide the last 12 to 18 months at these levels IMO.
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Jan 15, 2011 06:43
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Crazy685 posted:What's the best HEM for me to invest in? Play one table if you have to, that's how you should generally start out. No sense playing more hands/hour if you're a losing player. I would say try playing 2 maximum for a good while. Make sure you're beating the games, then add some more tables. For now I suppose you should buy the micro stakes holdem manager if you're going to be playing 50nl and below. There's no downside if you upgrade later, and HM is far superior to anything else out there.
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Alright, I'll definitely invest if both the HEM and the video sites. I really appreciate the advice and links, guys.
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Crazy685: Study up on poker theory and logic. There is a huge disconnect in your thought process. A "very" aggressive opponent opens and we .....3bet AJs. Where is all the stuff in between? Some questions you need to ask, and have answers for: Is he aggressive post-flop? does he open a lot pre? what hands have you seen him shown down? what is his raising range? what does he do vs 3bets? what is his calling range? what is his 4betting range? Are we 3betting for value? you may think we are, but are we calling if he shoves pre? Is it more profitable to call instead? are we deep enough to do some thangs post-flop? and more. you need to ask these questions and have clear answers. without this "stuff" you will be confused on what to do on all flops including this one like you were. Gather more information and learn how to use the information. This framework is not limited to 3bet pots so it is quite important.
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Jan 20, 2011 08:58
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What are some good books/sites to study up on poker theory/logic?
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Crazy685 posted:What are some good books/sites to study up on poker theory/logic? If you're on a budget, get the free Deuces Cracked membership and download as many videos as you can in the trial week. They're not all great enough of them will be good enough to get you started (re: From the Ground Up)
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Jan 20, 2011 23:00
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Hand 1 of 2 5/2 NL at my local casino I'm dealt 8 7 on the button. Two limpers (UTG+1 and CO) in front of me. I raise to 15. BB and the limpers call.Flop comes 8 72. BB checks, UTG+1 bets 40. CO calls. I raise to 100. BB and UTG+1 fold. CO puts me all in. I have about 125 left, he has over 1000.I... Hand 2 of 2 I'm dealt A K UTG+1. I limp, as do a few others.Flop comes K 94. I bet 45. Only the CO calls.Turn is 5 . I bet 75, CO calls.River 9 . I check. CO puts me all in for 185.I...
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Jan 23, 2011 08:11
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Hand 1: I'm assuming when you say "5/2" you mean the BB is 5. If so, looks like you started this hand with a 50BB stack -- that's not recommended (assuming, as is standard, you're allowed to buy in for 100BB). You'd be better off rebuying to a full stack, or if your funds are limited and such tables were available, playing with 100BB at a 1/2 game. But if you are going to play short, small speculative hands like 87s become much less attractive. Hands like that derive their value from two sources: 1) Preferably taking the pot down with a preflop raise or getting heads-up, and then winning the pot with a bet on the flop. But with two limpers at a presumably loose small-stakes live game, this is unlikely to succeed. And because your small stack represents less of a threat, your opponents are even more likely to commit to a showdown with relatively weak one-pair hands. Or 2) Flopping a strong draw, and winning a large pot when it comes in. Because your stack is short, the maximum you can potentially win in this case ("implied odds") is limited. Raising preflop greatly reduces the ratio between the size of the pot and what remains in your stack, and hands like this want typically that ratio to be high. Such situations are generally rare, but this might be one where it's better to also limp, assuming the players left to act are passive. If they're likely to raise, you should probably just fold. But once it's your turn on the flop as played, if my math is right, the pot is ~125, you're facing a bet of 40, and have ~225 in your stack. You should shove. Your hand is strong but vulnerable. You likely have the best hand but a 2, a spade, any card between 6 and J could improve any of your opponents' hands, so calling is not an option. You have less than a pot-sized raise in your stack, there's no need to be coy. Raising to 100 accomplishes nothing -- although UTG+1 folded, you should never expect him to do so with any hand that merited a bet in the first place, since he has >4:1 odds on a call. Just stick it in and hope you hold up. Hand 2: (Again, looks like you started with a short stack; avoid that if possible.) Don't limp. Unlike the previous hand, AKs is a hand that wants to grow the pot early and reduce the stack:pot ratios -- hands that often flop strong top pairs want to be able to get lots of money in on the flop, unlike drawing hands that usually need to see more cards before they commit. Your opponents will happily call a preflop raise with worse hands and set themselves up to get stacked. Don't give them a cheap shot at the flop, especially when you're out of position. Not knowing the exact size of the pot and how many people saw it, I can't gauge the size of your flop bet, but betting is obviously the right idea. The turn bet looks like it might be small, given that 90 went in on the flop, in addition to whatever was already in the pot. As a rule of thumb at a live game just always bet close to the size of the pot. On the river... the bet looks like it's probably close to 2/3 the size of the pot, I think you have to call this unless you're certain CO is both passive and loose enough to have called two streets with something like T9 (that can't have any backdoor draws after the turn). He can easily have something like KQ or KJ that he thinks is good, or he can be bluffing a missed flush or straight draw. Don't think I'm folding TPTK for a reasonable bet size. In fact, I'd probably bet all-in myself so hands like KQ or KJ can't check behind for a free showdown -- if they've called this far, they'll likely call that.
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Jan 23, 2011 08:56
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Thanks! The max buyin is $300, so I wasn't that short for the game (They have a 5/3 game that has a max buyin of $500). 5/2 is the lowest stakes they offer. I had previously raised preflop with AK (twice in a row actually) and gotten no action. Hence the limp there. Hand 1: I called and he showed 22 (no spade), and I didn't improve. Hand 2: I folded.
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http://weaktight.com/3150438 Wanted to get some more thoughts on this hand before I bounce for LAPC tomorrow. Villain is 25/20/6, 2% AF, standard rush poker LAG. I've played hundreds of thousands of hands at rush cash and can count on one hand the times i've stacked off over 300bb deep. Most recently was 99 on J954 turn against top set. I'm going to go ahead and assume villain 3bets all pocket pairs in this spot preflop and cbets this flop about 85% of the time. His overall cbet% is rather high so 33 is probably still in his range on the turn. I think 99 makes up about 1% of his entire range on the river. At NL50 rush I don't think the average player is balanced, so I think his turn overbet weights the QQ+ portion of his range something like 85%/10%/5% in terms of QQ, AA, KK respectively. It's possible he's taking this sizing with AA or KK but very, very unlikely. He can't expect me to pay him off with AQ or KQ often enough to make up for the times I have AA crushed. So I guess I'm wondering, based on his river betsize, how often do I have to win to make the call correct. Also note: I have blockers to 66 and 55. 78 got there, which is a fairly large part of his 2barrell bluff range. Finally, AEJones taught me that when someone bets "111" instead of shoving river, it is a lot stronger and weights his range even more towards QQ than pure dust, unless this guy is on level 27. TL;DR: Call or fold river? Spasms fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jan 24, 2011 |
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discstickers posted:Thanks! The max buyin is $300, so I wasn't that short for the game (They have a 5/3 game that has a max buyin of $500). 5/2 is the lowest stakes they offer. That's fine, if you're playing in such a game again remember you want to play more hands that flop strong top pairs (AJ, KQ, etc.) and fewer speculative hands (suited connectors, small pairs). Short stacks make it easier to get most of the money in early, so hands that know where they stand on the flop benefit. Hands that don't win as often need to get paid off bigger when they do, and short stacks obviously make that more difficult. quote:I had previously raised preflop with AK (twice in a row actually) and gotten no action. Hence the limp there. It can be frustrating when you think you're supposed to get a big pot with your big hand but really taking down the blinds without a fight is not a failure. Limping gives your opponents a chance to see the flop cheaply and makes it much harder to know where you stand if you do get action because the range of hands they can hold is wider. And because you were UTG+1, many of them will have the advantage of position for the rest of the hand. You should really never, ever limp as the first player in the pot and very rarely otherwise. quote:Hand 1: I called and he showed 22 (no spade), and I didn't improve. Hand 2: I folded. Hand 1: No big deal, that's just a cooler. There were only five hands you didn't want to see (3 combinations of 22, one combination each of 88 and 77) as opposed to the flush and straight draws or poorly played top pair/overpairs that can show up at a game like this. Hand 2: It's absolutely possible that he had you beat, but look at the math -- there's at least $425 in the pot after he puts you all-in. You only have to call $185 for a shot at winning that $425, which about 2.3:1 odds -- you only need to win about 30% of the time to break even on that call.
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Spasms posted:http://weaktight.com/3150438 Personally, I'd have raised the flop, partially for range-narrowing purposes and partially just because we've got a strong but vulnerable hand. Yeah, he's aggressive enough that you might get a second barrel from him if you don't, but that's going to build a big pot with a hand that can't necessarily stand that much heat, and it's gonna make for tougher decisions here. That said, I think you're right to weigh him heavily toward QQ. That turn bet looks like he's trying to protect his hand from that wet board and also trying to build the pot to a size where he has some chance of getting you all in with a monster. Backing into a set with 33 is certainly possible, as well as the far less likely 55 and 66 with one combination each. There aren't many straight draws in his range (78, basically), but 7d8d or 7c8c for a combo draw could be possible. With a naked OESD, I doubt he'd be overbetting the turn. Almost any time I see a turn bet like this, it's a made hand. At the river, though, I think this is a clear fold. He had you beat probably the whole way. I doubt the 9h is a factor. It's not a scare card; it completes one possible straight draw, yes, but it's not an obvious card to bluff at like, say, the 7c would have been. In order for you to be ahead by this river, he has to either be three-barrel bluffing you for 300bb, or he has to be capable of putting 300bb in the pot with one pair (barring the highly unlikely 53 or 63 for a weaker two pair that you actually beat. If he really did have something like TPTK, I don't see him making an overbet at the river after he made an overbet for protection and value on the turn. You've shown some willingness to call an overbet on the previous street, and if he's sitting there with one pair, he has to be at least somewhat concerned. A river bet of over 200bb just isn't getting called by anything that TPTK beats. Same goes for an overpair. I don't really see him betting anything you're ahead of for value. As for the chance he's bluffing, it doesn't look like a good spot. You've shown strength throughout the hand, calling an overbet on the turn. That's practically an announcement that you have a strong made hand. You're clearly not drawing, which means he's not betting with air to prevent a busted draw a chance from bluffing at the pot. The river isn't intimidating to trigger a bluff in a vacuum. This looks to me like a major hand that's happy to see his opponent apparently willing to pay him off. Getting 1.7 to 1 or so, I just don't see you being good at this river anywhere near enough to merit making a call without a strong specific read on the villain. Sorry if this is rambling and/or retarded. I'm barely awake at the moment.
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Jan 25, 2011 09:44
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Spasms posted:Wanted to get some more thoughts on this hand before I bounce for LAPC tomorrow. Off topic but let me know if you want to play a home game with some goons on Sunday night if you're in LA for any amount of time
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IsotopeOrange posted:Off topic but let me know if you want to play a home game with some goons on Sunday night if you're in LA for any amount of time Staying at Commerce all week trying to bink one of these tournaments. My flight leaves Sunday at 7am so Saturday would be my last day in LA. That sucks missing out on a goon home game. Spasms fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jan 26, 2011 |
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I'm just getting back into poker after a couple years away, and I've been enjoying rush poker lately. However, I was never the greatest player to begin with, and so I'm looking for some advice on what, if anything, I should've done differently on this hand. Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com saw flop | saw showdown BB ($35.67) UTG ($30.47) Hero (UTG+1) ($25.70) MP1 ($44.29) MP2 ($29.75) MP3 ($44.62) CO ($10) Button ($11.55) SB ($46.19) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , QUTG bets $0.50, Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.50 Flop: ($3.35) 8 , 6, 9 (3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, CO calls $2.25, UTG calls $2.25 Turn: ($10.10) 3 (3 players)UTG checks, Hero bets $7, 1 fold, UTG calls $7 River: ($24.10) 7 (2 players)UTG bets $20.22 (All-In), Hero folds Total pot: $24.10 | Rake: $1.20 Preflop he raises UTG but only two 2 BBs, I'm just not sure what to put him on there. I'm thinking my re-raise should've been larger. Afterwards it seems clear he's either chasing the straight or the flush, and the 7 makes both, but I suppose he could have 66 as well. Should I have done anything different here? JohnClark fucked around with this message at 23:31 on Feb 1, 2011 |
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Feb 1, 2011 23:23
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Raise a lot more preflop, river is an easy fold as played though.
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Feb 2, 2011 03:50
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etcetera08 posted:Raise a lot more preflop, river is an easy fold as played though. This. There seems to be a lot of people in this thread who are raising tiny with their isolation raises and 3-bets. Raising small just gives good odds to your opponents (and thus they're making a smaller mistake/not making a mistake when they call) and gains almost zero information about their hand range. In general I would say raise 3x+N for N limpers for iso-raises, perhaps even more live where people are making more spewy preflop mistakes than online. For 3-bets I make it around 3.5x the bet size (e.g. 6 -> 21 in a 1/2 game) or around 4x betsize if they opened smaller than 3bb. Focus on where your opponents make mistakes and play in the manner that exploits it. The way to exploit opponents who play too wide ranges or limp call OOP a lot is not to raise small!!!
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Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players BTN: $9.70 SB: $10.36 BB: $10.52 Hero (UTG): $18.26 MP: $13.30 CO: $20.68 SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10 Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has A A Hero raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, fold, fold, fold, fold Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 4 7 6 Hero bets $0.85, MP calls $0.85 Turn: ($2.55, 2 players) 5 Hero checks, MP checks River: ($2.55, 2 players) K Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20 Weird spot. I'm not sure about the turn, and I feel like I should have bet more on the river. Villian is a pretty standard tag, had c/raised me in a bunch of previous hands so I wasn't sure what to make of his line here.
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