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farraday posted:Violent revolution is never pretty, but at this point it's hard to see how Qaddafi secures power if his mercenary forces just got crushed. quote:Khamis al-Qadhafi's 32nd Brigade is one of the main regime protection forces. The 'Khamis Brigade' is considered by U.S. diplomats as the most capable of defending the regime But it wouldn't be enough at this point I'd imagine.
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Xandu posted:But it wouldn't be enough at this point I'd imagine. Military nomenclature is fairly flexible, but generally a brigade isn't really enough.
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Feb 20, 2011 23:14
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If Gaddafi goes it'll spur on protesters in other countries even more.
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quote:Further reports suggest the 500,000-strong Tuareg tribe in south Libya has heeded the call from the million-strong Warfala tribe to join the uprising. Protesters in Ghat and Ubary, home to Libyan Tuareg clans are reportedly attacking government buildings and police stations. That's in a country with 6.7 million people, so both those tribes are about 1/5th of the population.
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Watching Libya pick up the pieces should this turn out successfully (still not sold until Tripoli gets in on the game) will be fascinating. Unlike in Egypt, where Mubarak was simply the leading man in his regime, Qadaffi (or however he chooses to spell his name this week) truly is the Libyan regime. In Egypt, they had a structure in place (that will be considerably renovated, but still present) that they can work with. In Libya, bringing down Qadaffi will bring down everything and Libya will need to have its entire political system rebuilt from the ground up.
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A protester being interviewd on AJE just a second ago said the protesters in Tripoli have been unmolested by police or soliders for the last few hours. They are also saying on AJE that a Libyan diplomat claimed on AJ Arabic that Gaddafi's sons ended up argueing, and one of them shot the other, and that there's reports that Gaddafi has fled to Venezula.
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lil sartre posted:North Sudan may take him since he supported them in the war against the South and Bashir doesn't need to worry what the outside world thinks since he's already a pariah. Gaddafi actually supported the Southern Sudanese rebels in the 1980's during Nimeiry's leadership because Nimeiry supported the Israeli-Egyptian peace. Libya was basically being a dick to anyone who didn't agree with Gaddafi's ideals of Arab and Muslim unity, even if this meant funding Christian rebels. Soon after Nimeiry left the relations between Libya and Sudan improved, however, so much so that Libyan troops were allowed to be stationed in Darfur to operate against Chad. Trying to understand North African politics might become easier after Gaddafi has gone...
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Brown Moses posted:They are also saying on AJE that a Libyan diplomat claimed on AJ Arabic that Gaddafi's sons ended up argueing, and one of them shot the other, and that there's reports that Gaddafi has fled to Venezula. Yup, heard the guy on AJ Arabic. Pretty amazing if true.
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Hey guys, i just entered home and trying to follow the news right now. It was a goddamn horror ride for me but i am safe and sound now, i literally feel like a movie protagonist jumping out from a window of building rigged with explosives before everything blew. Jesus H. Christ man, what a week.
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Xandu posted:Some really good pictures from Benghazi This is a pretty trivial point considering the significance of what we're witnessing, but I find it interesting that the protesters are flying the flag of the old Libyan monarchy. I didn't realize ordinary Libyans still identified with it.
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Well given how lovely their current flag is.... Seriously though, there's also been a lot of mentioning of Omar Mukhtar, an old hero of Libyan independence.
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Galewolf posted:Hey guys, i just entered home and trying to follow the news right now. It was a goddamn horror ride for me but i am safe and sound now, i literally feel like a movie protagonist jumping out from a window of building rigged with explosives before everything blew. Glad you made it out okay. Just in the nick of time, it seems. LITERALLY MAD IRL posted:This is a pretty trivial point considering the significance of what we're witnessing, but I find it interesting that the protesters are flying the flag of the old Libyan monarchy. I didn't realize ordinary Libyans still identified with it. I think the people think of it as a pre-revolution (aka pre-Muammar) flag rather than necessarily associating it with the monarchy.
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Galewolf posted:Hey guys, i just entered home and trying to follow the news right now. It was a goddamn horror ride for me but i am safe and sound now, i literally feel like a movie protagonist jumping out from a window of building rigged with explosives before everything blew. Any idea what's actually going on?
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Gaddafi looks like he's on his way to a Charles Bronson Lookalike Contest.
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His son is giving a live speech right this second.
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Jut posted:I doubt it, I'm betting that the rest of the GCC have put pressure on Bahrain not to gently caress things up for the rest of them. Having lived out in Qatar for two years, I can tell you that out of all the GCC countries, Bahrain is the weakest link. But Saudi Arabia was in full support of the crackdown. Would the other be willing to go against them for something they probably aren't overly concerned about (UAE won't have their Emirates complain about their lot in life during all this). If not, some sort of heavy pressure must have came down on Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, or both for such a major change of heart. But we'll play "what REALLY happened behind the scenes?" later. I'm more interested in leaving the thread open for what's happening in Libya right now.
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Brown Moses posted:If Gaddafi goes it'll spur on protesters in other countries even more. I bet this is the first time Barack O'Bama and Hillary Clinton have been rooting for Qaddafi.
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Good point re: monarchist flag. Maybe if Libya does have a successful revolution, they can finally get a new flag.
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Brown Moses posted:His son is giving a live speech right this second. Yeah on state television giving the usual crony lines about regrettable accidents from the army and that kind of thing.
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Feb 21, 2011 00:08
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It's like he's lovely words into my face.
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Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble.
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Feb 21, 2011 00:11
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Brown Moses posted:Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble.
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Brown Moses posted:Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble. Yeah, those foreign mercenaries do that. 
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Feb 21, 2011 00:14
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Ever wondered what the word "rambling" means?
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Brown Moses posted:Now he's talking about African illegal immigrants causing trouble. He sure speaks professionally for a guy rambling gibberish. Edit: We're not like Egypt or Tunisia, we have oil. 
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Feb 21, 2011 00:14
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I think he's really high.
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Spiky Ooze posted:Yeah on state television giving the usual crony lines about regrettable accidents from the army and that kind of thing. Not to mention what sounded like blaming the protests on "political groups with other agendas", "Islamists", drugs, alcohol and immigrants. Also "Media Exaggeration". They only killed 14 unarmed civilians, guys. Sheesh.
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Brown Moses posted:I think he's really high. I know I'D BE, if my entire world were crumbling like his is. 
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oh god i was drinking coffee when he mentioned people drinking coffee and helping us burn with every sip i taste the guilt 
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tetsul posted:He sure speaks professionally for a guy rambling gibberish.
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Wow, he is really rambling. He seemed so proud that he hasn't prepared any speech. He should have. When is he coming to the part were he killed his brother and his father fleed to Venezuela?? 
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He's doing a lovely job of looking like he's in control. It reminds me of Mubarak's speeches. "Drunk thugs driving tanks", it's like a Daily Mail headline.
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Between his glasses, the way he's folding his hands, the subtle rotation of his chair and the incoherent rambling, I'm getting flashbacks to that Fragmaster Final Fantasy video.
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Brown Moses posted:I'm guessing he didn't right this down before he started. edit: "they have tanks and guns". Well okay, you are going to die.
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Brown Moses posted:He's doing a lovely job of looking like he's in control. It reminds me of Mubarak's speeches. If you haven't seen his daddy's speech to the UN you're missing out. It's about 25% insight and 75% hilarious insanity.
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"Libya is not Tunisia. Libya is not Egypt. Libya has oil. Oil is the ONLY thing that keeps Libya together." This guy has a very, very low opinion of his countrymen. "I'll be honest. We are all armed." 
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It's the old "give a rambling speech and promise reforms even though it's way to late for that" that Mubarak pulled.
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Brown Moses posted:It's the old "give a rambling speech and promise reforms even though it's way to late for that" that Mubarak pulled. Hopefully it ends the same.
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