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Velvet Sparrow
May 15, 2006

'Hope' is the thing with feathers, that perches in the soul, and sings the tune, without the words, and never stops--at all.

Brown Moses posted:

Another resignation in Libya:
quote:

Libya's privately-owned Quryna newspaper is reporting that the Libyan justice minister, Mustafa Mohamed Abud Al Jeleil, hjas resigned over "the excessive use of violence against government protesters", according to Reuters.

The newspaper said on its website it had spoken to the minister by telephone. There was no immediate official confirmation of the resignation, Reuters said.

Is this code for 'I crapped my pants in utter, gibbering terror, grabbed handfuls of valuables and fled to South America as fast as I freakin' could'?

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Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

More from the Guardian, sounds like tonight will be very violent in Tripoli:

quote:

The Associated Press has just sent a report on Libya. The news agency says that in Benghazi protesters have been celebrating in the streets claiming control of the city. In Tripoli, a fire was raging at the People's Hall, where Libya's equivalent of a parliament meets several times a year, and demonstrators were planning new marches in Green Square and Muammar Gaddafi's residence for tonight. AP notes:

quote:

That was likely to bring a new round of violence after a similar march the night before prompted clashes that lasted till dawn, with witnesses reporting snipers opening fire on protesters and Gaddafi supporters racing through crowds in trucks and cars, firing automatic weapons and running people over.

The capital was largely shut down, with schools, government offices and most stores closed, as armed members of pro-government organizations called "Revolutionary Committees" circulated in the streets hunting for protesters in Tripoli's old city, said one protester, named Fathi.

The protests and violence were the heaviest yet in the capital of 2 million people, a sign of how unrest was spreading after six days of demonstrations in eastern cities demanding the end of the elder Gaddafi's rule.

Libya's former ambassador to the Arab League in Cairo, Abdel-Moneim al-Houni, who a day earlier resigned from his post to side with protesters, issued a statement demanding Gaddafi "be put on trial along with his aides, security and military commanders over the mass killings in Libya".

The Internet has been largely shut down in Libya, residents can no longer make international calls from land lines and journalists cannot work freely, but eyewitness reports trickling out of the country suggested that protesters were fighting back more forcefully.

HJE-Cobra
Jul 15, 2007

Bear Witness

Hell Gem
Man, I'm about to move to Bahrain for a job. Hopefully I don't die tragically!

All these news reports about protests and the like are somewhat unsettling, but hopefully it'll all settle down.

Ham
Apr 30, 2009

You're BALD!

Brown Moses posted:

Did you have a look at the leaked cabinet Ham?

Yes, and I don't see what Xandu thinks is so bad about it. They've (so far) removed two of the most hated pre-revolution ministers (Aisha Abd El-Hady and Sameh Fahmy) plus that report doesn't include all the changes as they've apparently closed down the ministry of information completely and set up a new ministry of affairs of Egyptians abroad.

There's also many last minute calls taking place so there might be more changes.

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp
I don't understand though, how the protesters have made such progress in Libya. I mean CQ has the military hardware, if he really wanted to, what would there be to stop him using the big toys (tanks and poo poo) against the protesters, why has he 'restrained' himself to using mercs armed with guns and landcruisers?
Has he really lost all army support?

McCaine
Feb 20, 2002

ASK ME ABOUT MAKING A SICK BURN ON MY
TWITTER ABOUT VILE RATS DEATH FOR SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED THREE YEARS AGO, PS CHECK MY RAP SHEET BECAUSE I AM MOST LIKELY STILL BUTT HURT THAT HE BANNED ME BECAUSE I POSTED PEDO ANIME BOYS

Brown Moses posted:

Even the LSE are getting a bit nervous with their relationship with Gaddafi:
Yeah everyone here is making fun of the board for that. People are discussing taking the picture of the signing ceremony with Ghadaffi jr. and putting it up on campus as a poster :)

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

It sounds like a couple of army commaders actually switched sides quite early on, and the protesters have access to anti-tank weapons.

Grim news from AJE:

quote:

Geneva-based Libyan News Network reports phones cut in Tripoli, amid "massacre" in Green Square. More details being sought.

The Bahrain Grand Prix has also been called off.

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

Jut posted:

I don't understand though, how the protesters have made such progress in Libya. I mean CQ has the military hardware, if he really wanted to, what would there be to stop him using the big toys (tanks and poo poo) against the protesters, why has he 'restrained' himself to using mercs armed with guns and landcruisers?
Has he really lost all army support?

If by 'all army support' you mean that the military won't wholesale slaughter their own population then yes.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Some slightly weird news:

quote:

Two civilian helicopters, followed by two Libyan fighter jets, have landed in Malta. Only one of at least seven passengers are reported to be carrying passports. All passengers are currently being held by immigration officials. Al Jazeera's Karl Stagno-Novarra, reporting from Malta, says the Mediterranean island is preparing to be used as a base for evacuation of European citizens from Libya, one hour's flight away.
Apparently they don't know why the fighter jets have landed, could be air force pilots fleeing the country.

Also it sounds like they've cut off the mobile networks in Tripoli, and only some landlines are working.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 21, 2011

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Judging by twitter mercenaries are currently killing ever protesters they see in Tripoli, many dead.

[edit]Claims that people are being attacked in their homes by mercenaries.

Space Butler
Dec 3, 2010

Lipstick Apathy

Brown Moses posted:

Some slightly weird news:

Apparently they don't know why the fighter jets have landed, could be air force pilots fleeing the country.

Also it sounds like they've cut off the mobile networks in Tripoli, and only some landlines are working.

Could be escorts for the helicopters too...

[speculation]Maybe it's CQ?[/speculation]

Mad Doctor Cthulhu
Mar 3, 2008

Brown Moses posted:

Some slightly weird news:

Apparently they don't know why the fighter jets have landed, could be air force pilots fleeing the country.

Also it sounds like they've cut off the mobile networks in Tripoli, and only some landlines are working.

Malta? Operation Go Ahead On It's Your Move, commences.

(Sorry, I had to.)

So what are all these failed dictators going to do in South America, play horseshoes?

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

From Twitter:
hundreds, if not 1000's of african mercenaries spotted in girgarish area of #Tripoli. 4 to a car and heavily armed.

In district of Bou Sittah contact is calling for help of international community! Libyans are being massacred by mercenaries

CONFIRMED: PLEASE! MASSACRE IN #TRIPOLI RIGHT NOW. THEY NEED INTERVENTION. MERCENARIES KILLING ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING.

Contact in #Tripoli: Massacre going on right now!! We need help!

Contact in libya just informed me that their homes are being jumped in tripoli by mercenaries PLEASE do something

Al Jazeera: the government launches a massive offensive with live fire against the 1000s of protesters in #Tripoli. Comm. Is down

Facts are unclear but lots of panic in #Tripoli right now. 2nd-hand information is tht mercenaries are being bussed in

Dudebro
Jan 1, 2010
I :fap: TO UNDERAGE GYMNASTS
Wow, never thought tweets would be so tough to read. That is chilling.

Lammy!
Jul 3, 2004

WHAT TIME IS IT!?
Does anyone have any accounts of what the climate in Saudi Arabia is like currently, or more specifically around Riyadh? I'm scheduled to travel there in the near future for work, and Bahrain seems all too close for comfort! Wondering if there's been protesting within Saudi Arabia as well, and how they're handling all the chaos going on with their neighbors.

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
Aljazeera Arabic Confirms, Massive Mercenary Offensive with Live fire in Tripoli.

Qaddafi, A hanging at this point will be too little for you. God help the Libyans, God give them strength.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

More from Twitter:

Please RT, it sounds like something is being prepared by the regime for #Tripoli an it involves a large number of mercenaries

#AJA reports that live ammunition is being used now on a million people's protest in #Tripoli, #Libya, amid cut communications.

5 toyota stations spotted full of millitary forces goingfrom 11 june roard twards the green square

Helicopters heard throughout the city of #tripoli, unarmed civilians are being terrorized and massacred

state tv announces live ammo used against 'pockets of destruction' open fire on march in #tripoli

Al Jazeera: #Gaddafi thugs and mercenaries are firing live ammunition on a Million Man March in the capital of #Tripoli.

Also:

quote:

UK Foreign Minister William Hague says he has seen some information suggesting Libya's Col Gaddafi is on his way to Venezuela, Reuters reports.

[edit] Twitter is also sayig AJ is reporting planes dropped bombs on protesters in Tripoli.

Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Feb 21, 2011

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Couple of bits from Twitter:
Witness just confirmed: fleet of 30 cars are roaming around different parts of #Tripoli full of 4 mercenaries each holding AK47s

Al Jazeera BREAKING: Eyewitnesses confirm military aircraft are conducting a bombing campaign against #Tripoli protesters.

From AJE:

quote:

Further reports of live ammunition being used on protesters in Tripoli, with lots of tweets saying security forces are again driving cars around the city, shooting at everyone and everything.

Ahmed Elgazir, a human rights researcher, told Al Jazeera that Libya News Centre, an organisation based in Geneva, had received a call for help from a woman "witnessing the massacre" in progress, who called on a satellite phone after landlines were cut.

Gravy Jones
Sep 13, 2003

I am not on your side

Dudebro posted:

Wow, never thought tweets would be so tough to read. That is chilling.

Yeah. I'm really hoping most of it is rumor and hyperbole as people retweet and reinterperate stuff but it really doesn't look like this is the case :( Absolutely horrible.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

It's a loving bloodbath, I hope they hang every loving piece of poo poo responsible for this from Gaddafi, his sons, and inner circle, all the way down to the mercenaries doing the killing.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


Brown Moses posted:

Al Jazeera BREAKING: Eyewitnesses confirm military aircraft are conducting a bombing campaign against #Tripoli protesters.

I think I might vomit.

Would there be any regional power equipped/willing to take on the Libyan pro-Qaddafi forces? The bloodshed needs to stop :smith:

quadratic
May 2, 2002
f(x) = ax^2 + bx + c

Brown Moses posted:

It's a loving bloodbath, I hope they hang every loving piece of poo poo responsible for this from Gaddafi, his sons, and inner circle, all the way down to the mercenaries doing the killing.

Amen. This is disgusting.

I thought the army had mostly turned on the regime. Is that not the case? If it is, why aren't they fighting back? :(

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Some of the army, not all, and they are in the east.
This came up in Twitter:

quote:

Apparently the 2 jets in #Malta landed (fled) b/c they refused orders 2 kill ppl in #tripoli .

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

What the hell is this? Some sort of 'If I can't have it, nobody can' mentality from a crushed half-insane dictator?

Ace Oliveira
Dec 27, 2009

"I wonder if there is beer on the sun."
Holy Jesus, the military and the mercenaries are actually bombing the poo poo outta Tripoli. It's Scorched Earth there, now.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Twitter might confirm its scorched earth time:

quote:

Eye witness:Downtown completely burned #Tripoli entrances r blocked which prevents tribes from entering the city &supporting the protesters

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


ChaosSamusX posted:

What the hell is this? Some sort of 'If I can't have it, nobody can' mentality from a crushed half-insane dictator?

Half?

I think maybe Egypt should be sending tanks and planes and not just aid.

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!

quadratic posted:

Amen. This is disgusting.

I thought the army had mostly turned on the regime. Is that not the case? If it is, why aren't they fighting back? :(

I assume the current assaults are done by the few fanatics who'll stay loyal to the end and the military is currently apparently not doing anything because the massacres are right now and the army actually needs time to respond. Remember that communication is significantly faster than actual troop movement.

Peel
Dec 3, 2007

quadratic posted:

Amen. This is disgusting.

I thought the army had mostly turned on the regime. Is that not the case? If it is, why aren't they fighting back? :(

The units in Tripoli are probably the most loyal.

KurdtLives
Dec 22, 2004

Ladies and She-Hulks can't resist Murdock's Big Hallway Energy
I wish some country- ANY country would at least provide some air support for the protesters... at least in obvious situations like a pickup truck full of fucks firing at crowds of civies they get a hellfire missle from a chopper. Probably not going to happen though.

ChaosSamusX posted:

What the hell is this? Some sort of 'If I can't have it, nobody can' mentality from a crushed half-insane dictator?

Hitler tried the same poo poo at the end, ordering scorched earth tactics on his country. Most of these orders were ignored.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

I hope the international community spends its time hunting down every single person involved in this massacre.

GonadTheBallbarian
Jul 23, 2007


KurdtLives posted:

I wish some country- ANY country would at least provide some air support for the protesters... at least in obvious situations like a pickup truck full of fucks firing at crowds of civies they get a hellfire missle from a chopper. Probably not going to happen though.


Hitler tried the same poo poo at the end, ordering scorched earth tactics on his country. Most of these orders were ignored.

Tunisia is closest but could they even compete in Tripoli?

Cjones
Jul 4, 2008

Democracia Socrates, MD
And no American media channels are covering this...

is there an IRC channel?

hazza
Mar 25, 2005

I couldn't see him, therefore I knew he was there.

ChaosSamusX posted:

What the hell is this? Some sort of 'If I can't have it, nobody can' mentality from a crushed half-insane dictator?

This is exactly what it is.

Cjones
Jul 4, 2008

Democracia Socrates, MD
The Hague said Gaddafi may have fled?

Cartouche
Jan 4, 2011

KurdtLives posted:

I wish some country- ANY country would at least provide some air support for the protesters... at least in obvious situations like a pickup truck full of fucks firing at crowds of civies they get a hellfire missle from a chopper. Probably not going to happen though.

Your stated feeling about it makes me harken back to Somalia, when we were unable (not allowed) to fire on militants who were firing on crowds trying to get food from aid workers. IIRC, a country going in all rambo on another country (like it or not) is frowned upon.

Would I love to see it? Certainly. However, I would love it to be a UN force and not just an individual country.

Cjones posted:

And no American media channels are covering this...

Covering what exactly? Tweets from anon users?

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp
sigh, looks like I tempted fate with my previous post. Something just didn't add up before, it seems that he was just regrouping so he could bring out the big boys.

Hope the protesters prevail. If not, it could set a horrible example of how to handle protesters elsewhere.

I also see the cancellation of the Bahrain GP being a huge kick in the balls for the royal family, that was one of their huge cockwaving projects (especially since Qatar have been trying to get F1 for a while now, going as far to refurb their track and diddle behind the scenes with FIA elections), hopefully there won't be any major repercussions.

Jut fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Feb 21, 2011

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Cjones posted:

The Hague said Gaddafi may have fled?

William Hague British FM. He suspects Venezuela. AJE reporter asking Venezuelan Information Ministry saying they're denying it.

Nuclear Spoon
Aug 18, 2010

I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive

Cjones posted:

And no American media channels are covering this...

is there an IRC channel?

#tahrir on irc.synirc.net

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Cjones
Jul 4, 2008

Democracia Socrates, MD

Cartouche posted:

Covering what exactly? Tweets from anon users?

Yeah there's not much to cover just a loving revolution in the middle east...

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