|
Doccers posted:France isn't part of NATO IIRC, for example. France was after WW2, then wasn't after the 60s, then kind of was in the 90s, and then rejoined as a full member in 2009 but only for their conventional forces. All French nukes are solely in French command.
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 11:26 |
|
|
The Brown Menace posted:drat son. "Oh don't worry united states you don't have to go to this war" <--- I love my country but yeah telling us this and expecting us to stay out is laughable. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:55
|
|
|
Ewan posted:France are part of NATO. It's tricky with them, 1967 withdrawal and all, but yes, as of 2009, they are currently part of NATO. Don't they have the DeGaulle stationed in Toulon?
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:55
|
|
|
lol at the woman on aljazeera "they are using 25 caliber machine guns"
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:56
|
|
|
MJ_Turbo posted:lol at the woman on aljazeera Caliber/MM is a pretty easy thing to gently caress up for reporters, so don't hate on her too much. I've seen plenty of "40mm glocks" in our news. But yeah 25mm autocannons would be AA guns.
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:58
|
|
|
The sheer desperation in the voice of that women really fucks me up
|
|
#
?
Feb 21, 2011 23:59
|
|
|
Young Freud posted:It's tricky with them, 1967 withdrawal and all, but yes, as of 2009, they are currently part of NATO. Come to think of it, is the DeGaulle currently seaworthy? I know they've had... Problems.. with her in the recent past.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:00
|
|
|
Jamsque posted:This precise situation, where no one country has the mandate to interfere in the internal affairs of another, but the international community as a whole does, is what the UN Security Council is supposed to be for. Good thing they haven't even met about Libya yet. Just as these revolutions are happening too fast for organized, coordinated military/police responses (in advance of massive turnout), the revolutions (and chaotic military responses to them) are happening too fast for a bureaucratic international peace-keeping body.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:00
|
|
|
Brown Moses posted:Just saw this on the Guardian: How come AJ International isn't mentioning this? That's important.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:00
|
|
|
DonBalle posted:How come AJ International isn't mentioning this? That's important. Maybe it's unconfirmed.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:02
|
|
|
Doccers posted:Come to think of it, is the DeGaulle currently seaworthy? I know they've had... Problems.. with her in the recent past. Sure, it was in Cuxhaven just recently (Germany)
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:03
|
|
|
"Don't believe what he was saying, eet was very lousy speech"
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:03
|
|
|
Doccers posted:France has a full fleet carrier last time I checked, and they're close enough their fighters have the range to fly missions there from home. Germany too I suspect, though they don't have a carrier they can park offshore. I honestly don't know the status of the Italian air force. All of the countries in question have air refueling units, so in theory it'd be possible to do bomb runs on Libyan military targets from Scotland if there was a need. For a sustained combat air patrol I don't know how manageable that would be, probably not very. But Sicily is close enough for NATO fighters to operate in the coastal region.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:04
|
|
|
The-Mole posted:"Don't believe what he was saying, it was very lousy speech" That's a great line, although I'm not sure I buy everything the expat is saying on AJE.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:04
|
|
|
farraday posted:That's a great line, although I'm not sure I buy everything the expat is saying on AJE. "OK? OK? OK? OK?" This guy is starting to piss me off. He's been going "OK, OK, OK" for hours now. No wait, that guy in Rome who was mortally afraid of speaking in front of a camera was worse.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:06
|
|
|
Doccers posted:
It's worse than that, we don't have ANY carriers, and the Harrier has been retired.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:07
|
|
|
Doccers posted:France has a full fleet carrier last time I checked, and they're close enough their fighters have the range to fly missions there from home. Germany too I suspect, though they don't have a carrier they can park offshore. I honestly don't know the status of the Italian air force. Egypt's modern air force is as large as Israel's but I guess they lack the experience and knowhow. Still think they could keep Libya's skies clear, and I think their intervention would not be as hated. They are probably too busy with inner issues now, though. But it would be symbolically nice.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:09
|
|
|
Magic internet box... is the US Senate naming these things now?
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:09
|
|
|
farraday posted:Magic internet box... is the US Senate naming these things now? "It's a series of tubes you connect to a phone...."
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:10
|
|
|
Jut posted:It's worse than that, we don't have ANY carriers, and the Harrier has been retired. The land based stuff can make it with refueling. The US would take care of that part even if we "stayed out". Yeah though, no one is gonna invade Libya.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:10
|
|
|
DarkCrawler posted:Egypt's modern air force is as large as Israel's but I guess they lack the experience and knowhow. Still think they could keep Libya's skies clear, and I think their intervention would not be as hated. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/02/libya-egyptian-military-creates-refugee-camps-near-border.html posted:The Egyptian military has set up refugee camps near its border with Libya, an Egyptian state news agency reported Monday. and they supposedly just opened the border for aid, which is good news b/c the unofficial border crossings are lined with millions of mines, but I'm looking for a non-twitter source.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:11
|
|
|
DarkCrawler posted:Egypt's modern air force is as large as Israel's but I guess they lack the experience and knowhow. Still think they could keep Libya's skies clear, and I think their intervention would not be as hated. The Egyptian air force was in Mubarak's pocket, remember? They're the ones who did the low-altitude flyby of Tahrir Square to harass the protesters.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:11
|
|
|
VikingSkull posted:The land based stuff can make it with refueling. The US would take care of that part even if we "stayed out". All european countries operate tankers, awacs, modern fighters the works. And Italy could probably have eurofighters over there in a pinch without even refuling. The issue clearly is not the could, but the should
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:12
|
|
|
Young Freud posted:The Egyptian air force was in Mubarak's pocket, remember? They're the ones who did the low-altitude flyby of Tahrir Square to harass the protesters. Mubarak is gone though and I think there would be no way for them to reestablish themselves faster with the Egyptian populace then protecting protesters in Libya. The problem is if that becomes an excuse for reactionary forces, ie Saudia Arabia, to justify interfering with other protests in the gulf states.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:13
|
|
|
Jut posted:It's worse than that, we don't have ANY carriers, and the Harrier has been retired. HMS Illustrious, a light aircraft carrier is still in service (with only helis i think) and two larger Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers are under construction which will carry 40 planes each (including F-35)
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:13
|
|
|
drat I really thought the Libyan uprising was going to go the way of the Iranian one and be brutally crushed. Looks like the might actually pull this out. Wow.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:13
|
|
|
Roark posted:His Green Book reads like it was written like someone with a few screws loose. It's rambling and incoherent, and the only thing that separates it (for me) from most of the other insane manifestos that you find on the internet was that it was written by a man in charge of a country. Sounds a bit like a review of "Mein Kampf" read some more reviews at the site I posted before and they don't reflect the impression I got when I read in it... Warthog fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Feb 22, 2011 |
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:14
|
|
|
Wow the AJ anchor couldn't even cut that woman off.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:14
|
|
|
Nuclearmonkee posted:drat I really thought the Libyan uprising was going to go the way of the Iranian one and be brutally crushed. Looks like the might actually pull this out. Wow. There is a women on AJE right now crying on air because the people around her are getting shot and bombed to pieces. This is not over.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:15
|
|
|
Xandu posted:and they supposedly just opened the border for aid, which is good news b/c the unofficial border crossings are lined with millions of mines, but I'm looking for a non-twitter source. That's nice, at the least. Symbolically good too. Young Freud posted:The Egyptian air force was in Mubarak's pocket, remember? They're the ones who did the low-altitude flyby of Tahrir Square to harass the protesters. Supposedly they are in the pocket of whoever is heading the preliminary government now..
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:16
|
|
|
Doccers posted:England only has jumpjet carriers and a Harrier is not an air superiority fighter (Hello Falklands!) Hello falklands! "The Sea Harrier squadrons shot down 20 Argentine aircraft in air-to-air combat with no air-to-air losses" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Sea_Harrier#Falklands_War not that it matters, the carriers are up for scrap as are the harriers. I strongly doubt any action will be taken to enforce any kind of no fly zone before Gaddafi bugs the gently caress out.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:17
|
|
|
Nuclearmonkee posted:drat I really thought the Libyan uprising was going to go the way of the Iranian one and be brutally crushed. Looks like the might actually pull this out. Wow. To be honest this is making the Green Movement look kinda faggy.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:18
|
|
|
Holy poo poo, CNN's Ben Wedeman is inside Libya right now. I wonder how he got in.http://twitter.com/PeterHambyCNN posted:.@bencnn reporting from inside Libya right now, only western reporter there.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:18
|
|
|
farraday posted:Mubarak is gone though and I think there would be no way for them to reestablish themselves faster with the Egyptian populace then protecting protesters in Libya. I really doubt that the new governors in Egypt wants to get involved in a war of any kind but that might just be me.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:19
|
|
|
Has this been posted yet? http://www.stripes.com/news/mullen-defends-plans-to-meet-with-middle-east-leaders-1.135486 quote:DOHA, Qatar — Adm. Mike Mullen said he held “pretty frank” discussions Monday with Saudi Arabia’s military leaders about the turmoil in Bahrain, defending his plans to meet with officials from regimes across the region this week, amid ongoing pro-democracy protests.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:19
|
|
|
Xandu posted:Holy poo poo, CNN's Ben Wedeman is inside Libya right now. I wonder how he got in.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:19
|
|
|
Xandu posted:Holy poo poo, CNN's Ben Wedeman is inside Libya right now. I wonder how he got in. Most likely through the Egyptian border.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:20
|
|
|
Xandu posted:Holy poo poo, CNN's Ben Wedeman is inside Libya right now. I wonder how he got in. Oh poo poo. I would NOT trade shoes with him now... But it's good reporters are in.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:21
|
|
|
I guess given that he was in Cairo, but it's not exactly porous even with the border guards deserting.http://91.214.23.156/cablegate/wire.php?id=09TRIPOLI100&search= posted:. (SBU) Summary: UN experts, based on consultations with GOL officials and preliminary review of Libyan minefield maps, estimate that there are 16 million landmines in the Ouzou Strip along the Chadian border and along the Libyan-Egyptian border to the east. In addition, unexploded ordinance from World War II is a major problem in and around the eastern city of Tobruk and along the Egyptian border. I suspect he went in with one of humanitarian convoys. He's a really awesome reporter, actually, fluent arabic and lives in Cairo.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:22
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 21, 2024 11:26 |
|
|
Xandu posted:Holy poo poo, CNN's Ben Wedeman is inside Libya right now. I wonder how he got in. Well, considering the border to Egypt seems to no longer be staffed, I guess he just wandered in.
|
|
#
?
Feb 22, 2011 00:22
|
|