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Yusuf al Qaradawi has officially issued a fatwa calling for the death of Muammar Qaddafi. He's the head of the world league of islamic scholars, so that means that all of the scholars have issued this fatwa. including libyan imams.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:03
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Alex Otextin posted:They did nothing. Despite the general in charge of the operation screaming bloody murder. "Well the US doesn't want to get involved in Africa after what happened in Somalia so we, the UN, aren't going to do a drat thing."
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Feb 22, 2011 09:11
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Do you guys think this is all caused, or maybe helped by the wikileaks cables? I've skipped a page or two here and there and I don't know if it's been covered.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:13
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killing_fields posted:Do you guys think this is all caused, or maybe helped by the wikileaks cables? I've skipped a page or two here and there and I don't know if it's been covered. no
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Feb 22, 2011 09:15
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Short answer: No Long answer: No. Al-Saqr posted:Yusuf al Qaradawi has officially issued a fatwa calling for the death of Muammar Qaddafi. While extremely significant (you can watch the fire and brimstone interview here in Arabic), that's not quite how it works.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:16
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killing_fields posted:Do you guys think this is all caused, or maybe helped by the wikileaks cables? I've skipped a page or two here and there and I don't know if it's been covered. It's not. It's caused by an angry Arab people rising against decades of mismanagement, abuse, and oppression by tinpot tyrants and western puppet dictators. It is not the Facebook Revolution, it is not Revolution 2.0, it is a people's revolution.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:17
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Shut up with the torture fantasies, you juvenile psychos.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:18
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killing_fields posted:Do you guys think this is all caused, or maybe helped by the wikileaks cables? I've skipped a page or two here and there and I don't know if it's been covered. It affected it as much as Obama's freedom speech in Egypt, Bush's speeches of bringing democracy to the middle east, and the fart I let out in the grocery store yesterday.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:20
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Giant hi-res panorama of Cairo with Midan Tahrir way in the back. Just click the original size. Pretty cool looking. http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefangeens/5466797340/sizes/l/
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Feb 22, 2011 09:24
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Xandu posted:
I watched that live on TV last night, I wish there was more efforts subtitle these videos so other goons can see Arabic videos. I meant more that this was more of a representative nature than actually all of them, it's very significant, also Libyan imams were interviewed and they also support this fatwa.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:25
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Xandu posted:Giant hi-res panorama of Cairo with Midan Tahrir way in the back. Just click the original size. Pretty cool looking. That's a cool photo(s).
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Feb 22, 2011 09:25
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Xandu posted:Giant hi-res panorama of Cairo with Midan Tahrir way in the back. Just click the original size. Pretty cool looking. I can see M1 Abrams tanks. But where the hell is Waldo?
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Feb 22, 2011 09:37
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Xandu posted:Giant hi-res panorama of Cairo with Midan Tahrir way in the back. Just click the original size. Pretty cool looking. That photo is amazing. It looks like it was the day after that big clash with the moobs, because the roof where they were throwing down rocks at protesters is missing a good chunk of rock, and you can see the military throughout the museum grounds. Got to be at least 2+ million people in that photo all up.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:37
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Xandu posted:Giant hi-res panorama of Cairo with Midan Tahrir way in the back. Just click the original size. Pretty cool looking. Thanks, that is awesome. Anyone know where to find a larger version of this picture from the OP?  edit: Some other good pictures at that guy's Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/stefangeens/ quadratic fucked around with this message at 09:47 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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Feb 22, 2011 09:42
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Al-Saqr posted:I meant more that this was more of a representative nature than actually all of them, it's very significant, also Libyan imams were interviewed and they also support this fatwa. Ah, I see what you mean. I missed the Libyans being interviewed, but that's not surprising.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:43
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Are the 150 bodies of soldiers apparently executed for not following orders the same lot who were burnt to death, or is it another lot?
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Feb 22, 2011 09:51
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Live blogs: BBC AJE
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Feb 22, 2011 09:57
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rum sodomy the lash posted:It's not. It's caused by an angry Arab people rising against decades of mismanagement, abuse, and oppression by tinpot tyrants and western puppet dictators. It is not the Facebook Revolution, it is not Revolution 2.0, it is a people's revolution. Its pretty absurd to think this would have all turned out the same way without the internet catalyzing things. Im not saying its any less a people's revolution, im saying without the insane amount of mass communication things probably would have been different.
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Feb 22, 2011 09:58
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So what do we know about the situation in Libya? I'm guessing: - Benghazi and much of East Libya is under the control of the protesters. - Some army units have joined the protesters in the east. - There's been at least two seperate massacres of soldiers who refused to follow orders. - Mercenaries are shooting anything that moves in Tripoli. - The air force has been ordered to bomb protesters and ammo dumps. - Some pilots have refused orders and flown to other countries. - poo poo is hosed. Here's a light hearted look at the wholesale slaughter of civilians:
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Feb 22, 2011 10:03
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Guardian Live Blog:quote:Libya's leader Moammar Gaddafi appeared briefly on Libyan state TV on Monday evening to deny reports that he had fled the country, as key diplomats continued to disown his regime. quote:The country's ambassador to India has confirmed that former African mercenaries are being used by the Libyan regime to crush protests, prompting some army troops to switch sides to support the opposition.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:06
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sweeptheleg posted:Its pretty absurd to think this would have all turned out the same way without the internet catalyzing things. Im not saying its any less a people's revolution, im saying without the insane amount of mass communication things probably would have been different. It's like saying that the french revolution would have never happened without the coffee houses and the Iranian revolution without Cassettes, at the end of the day the tools are useful for spreading the news and they have had a good impact but without the awful conditions that existed earlier the revolutions would have never gained traction.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:06
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If anyone complains about the rising cost of petrol over the next few months just point them towards massacre.wmv.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:08
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god bless the brave american president responsible for the total dismantling ot Ghadaffi's chemical wmd program, thus saving countless civilian lives from the mad dictator 
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Feb 22, 2011 10:13
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Istrian posted:god bless the brave american president responsible for the total dismantling ot Ghadaffi's chemical wmd program, thus saving countless civilian lives from the mad dictator Ronald Reagan would have enforced a no-fly zone so he could bomb the poo poo out of everything
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Feb 22, 2011 10:19
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Estimates are between 59 and 517 dead in the first eight days with up to 4,000 wounded. I sadly think it'll end up being closer to the 517 mark.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:29
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It's pretty hard to get accurate figures because people were being shot in the street and the bodies couldn't be recovered because the mercenaries were shooting anyone they could see.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:36
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Yaos posted:You're assuming that everything would have happened the same way over the last decade had those wars not taken place. You can't look at past events, remove them, but still have all the effects they caused take place. We have no way of knowing what would have occurred if those wars had not taken place. Everything could have happened exactly the same, minus the wars, or it could be completely different. The only way to stop the wars would be to have Gore be president, and we have no way of knowing how he would have helped or impeded the causes of the protests. The US would probably have a republican president right now had the economic crisis occurred while Gore was president, and we have no way of knowing what stupid poo poo they would have done to "help" the protesters. BlackJosh posted:I'm glad someone made this point so I didn't have to. Positing any counterfactual as some sort of cautionary tale is really bad history.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:52
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The Guardian has some information about the situation in Libya:quote:Tripoli: Centre of town is completely blocked by the regime in anticipation of foreign media arrival (most likely CNN). The regime aims to prove that there are no issues on the ground and to falsify the massacres and genocide of the past five days and nights.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:57
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Syphilicious! posted:
Err probably because 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq, and people are not totally stupid.
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Feb 22, 2011 10:59
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Brown Moses posted:mercenaries So far there's no positive proof of mercenaries. I was just listening to BBC and a Libyan caller was claiming that there are 'white men who are maybe East Europeans' shooting at people, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions based just on that. Looking at photos of the Libyan Mirage F1 fighters that landend in Malta, I was wondering if anyone here can confirm what the pods under the wings are? I think they might be Matra rocket pods, each containing 18 68mm SNEB rockets. But I'm not an expert. If true, and they were ordered to strafe crowds in the streets, you can only imagine what the result would be like.  Rockets also would go poorly with the Gaddafi Jr's claim that the airforce had only been used to bomb army depots to prevent weapons from falling into terrorist hands. Light rockets don't do poo poo to munitions sheltered inside (likely reinforced) buildings.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:04
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The-Mole posted:
Because he's an actor being paid to pose for this shot. It's from a series of advertisements for a newspaper.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:06
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According to AJA adverts have appeared in Guinea and Nigeria offering would-be mercenaries up to US $2000 dollars per day. There's also the video of a dead black soldier being dragged around which was claimed to be a mercenary, as well as claims that papers taken from dead mercenaries show they are foreign citizens. Also this picture was apparently taken in Tripoli yesterday:
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Feb 22, 2011 11:11
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Mercrom posted:So you have an argument that comes from assuming the worst of alternate history, that can be used to defend anything and anyone in history. That you have managed to convinced anyone of such ridiculous bullshit is Glenn Beck level brilliant. Don't really follow how you reached that conclusion. No-one's defending Iraq, they're just pointing out that if Iraq hadn't happened we would be living in a very different world now, and that there's not really any way to tell what that world would be like. I'm assuming BlackJosh used the term 'bad history' to mean that it's bad academic practice to speculate about what might or might not have happened if X event hadn't occurred as there's too many unforeseeable variables. It's not at all 'ridiculous bullshit'. I hear the UN security council are having 'informal discussions'/'a closed door meeting' (depending on which source you take). Hopefully something good will come of this. Owlkill fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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Feb 22, 2011 11:20
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Brown Moses posted:According to AJA adverts have appeared in Guinea and Nigeria offering would-be mercenaries up to US $2000 dollars per day. There's also the video of a dead black soldier being dragged around which was claimed to be a mercenary, as well as claims that papers taken from dead mercenaries show they are foreign citizens. I wouldn't really call it 'claims'. You can see for yourself the Guinean paperwork and ID's they pull out of the pockets of the mercenaries on the videos.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:22
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Brown Moses posted:According to AJA adverts have appeared in Guinea and Nigeria offering would-be mercenaries up to US $2000 dollars per day. There's also the video of a dead black soldier being dragged around which was claimed to be a mercenary, as well as claims that papers taken from dead mercenaries show they are foreign citizens. I have seen them, but I don't think black skin is solid proof yet as there are minorities in Libya too (and there are white gunmen in that photo too). I'm not sure just how many black people though, ignoring the immigrants on their way to Europe. But you would always use soldiers recruited from other areas, preferably from different tribes, to shoot at Tripolians, because recruits from the northern cities would be likely to fraternise with them. Evidence of actual Libyan recruit efforts in other countries would be very clear proof, though.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:22
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quote:Tarhouna: Military (the 7th and 9th Brigade) have joined the people and denounced the regime. Kindly note, this is the same Military facility which lead the Qaddafi revolution to over throw King Idris in 1969. I've been unable to find anything that identifies what type of units those are, but if they are purely infantry, then could be between 1500-6400 men as an estimate, which would be between 3-12% of the army right there, if we assumed 100% defections among those units, and 100% loyalists in other units. Hopefully they are armored brigades though, those would have a lot more firepower at hand.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:23
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Wow...quote:One statement attributed to Qadhafi in reaction to the protests is that he created Libya and he will destroy it. Megalomaniac sack of poo poo, a country is not your personal plaything.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:39
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Owlkill posted:Don't really follow how you reached that conclusion. No-one's defending Iraq, they're just pointing out that if Iraq hadn't happened we would be living in a very different world now, and that there's not really any way to tell what that world would be like. I'm assuming BlackJosh used the term 'bad history' to mean that it's bad academic practice to speculate about what might or might not have happened if X event hadn't occurred as there's too many unforeseeable variables. It's not at all 'ridiculous bullshit'. Yeah. Thanks. This worded it better than I did.
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Feb 22, 2011 11:42
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Brown Moses posted:According to AJA adverts have appeared in Guinea and Nigeria offering would-be mercenaries up to US $2000 dollars per day.   I don't remember seeing this earlier in the thread, but after all of the horrifying videos of late, this one felt almost like a comedic intermission: Moroccan Police Van Tries to Run Over Protester
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Good news: My friend is still alive. Depressing news: His sister has stuck this outside her bedroom door quote:I was born in 1997 I lived until today please don’t kill me.
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