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Jut posted:If the revolt is successful. I really think CQ's not going anywhere, and if he's forced out, he's going to scorch earth. I hope I'm wrong. I can easily see him staying, while protesters wall him up inside his own house.
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Patter Song posted:Libyan naval vessel near Malta wants to defect. It probably doesn't have anything worthwhile armaments like cruise missiles on it, because it would likely be pulling a Potemkin on Gadaffi right now.
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Verizian posted:I can easily see him staying, while protesters wall him up inside his own house. I'm not sure if he is going to go the way of Mussolini and just wait for the crowd to break in and lynch him. I think if anything he will eventually try to flee. Considering his love of grandstanding I can imagine him going to face the UN, spouting his innocence in the face of the ICJ and going on crazy tirades up to the very end. Just my thoughts on it. I think he would be too much of a coward to let his fate be held by the people he pissed off, and much to proud to whisk himself away and live the rest of his life as a guest in some other dictator's county.
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Feb 22, 2011 20:43
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Patter Song posted:Libyan naval vessel near Malta wants to defect. I don't understand why they don't turn the guns around and fight for the people rather than run to Malta, the Army has.
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Anyoe have the text of the speech Gadhaffi just gave? Edit: Way to go Danny! http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/02/22/AR2011022203086.html quote:MANAGUA, Nicaragua -- Nicaragua's leftist President Daniel Ortega says he has telephoned Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi to express his solidarity. Nckdictator fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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Nckdictator posted:Anyoe have the text of the speech Gadhaffi just gave? I tried to El Goog for a transcript in any language but I'm just not getting anything. Also, in case no one knows, this is the current updated Live Blog for today, new link: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/africa/2011/02/22/live-blog-libya-feb-22 Only mentioned once on the old page.
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RoofieMyselfForFun posted:I don't understand why they don't turn the guns around and fight for the people rather than run to Malta, the Army has.
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MS/NBC's Richard Engel is actually in Libya reporting now. Hope he stays safe.
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Has anyone put out a transcript of Ghadaffi's latest speech?
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Did Clinton just start praising the way Bahrain has handled their protests or did I misshear the news (BBC) cut away as she started talking so I'm not 100% sure.
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You know, screw winning jeopardy, if someone could just get a loving transcription program that worked well we'd be doing great. I'm tired of trawling through video archives for stupid poo poo people have said. Sorry. Anyways, I wouldn't be too hard on those who defect rather than take up arms to fight the regime. Removing hardware from the regime's control is a victory in and of itself.
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farraday posted:Anyways, I wouldn't be too hard on those who defect rather than take up arms to fight the regime. Removing hardware from the regime's control is a victory in and of itself. Correct. We've seen what pro-Qadaffi soldiers do to defectors. I'd rather they get out with the gear and spread the word of what is happening than die a pointless and painful death in a ditch.
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:Did Clinton just start praising the way Bahrain has handled their protests or did I misshear the news (BBC) cut away as she started talking so I'm not 100% sure. She was praising King Hamad ceasing shooting people in the streets and King Hamad's promise to release several hundred political prisoners.
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Patter Song posted:She was praising King Hamad ceasing shooting people in the streets and King Hamad's promise to release several hundred political prisoners. Christ I'm surprised the hypocrisy of that didn't make her fucken head spin. I'm at work at the moment but I'm gonna have to watch the whole statement later so I can enrage myself. Krypt-OOO-Nite!! fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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From Twitter, 2 new resignations/defections: - Minister of Defense General Abdalfatah Yunus La'bidi - resigned and asks all of the military to join the people - Minister of Interior Abdulla Younis - resigned and is joining the people in resistance
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Slantedfloors posted:A single ship (probably not even a proper capital ship, more likely a gunboat or something) isn't going to do much more to a inland dictator in a desert than get torpedoed by a jet and sink with all hands aboard. There are ships shelling Benghazi. I wouldn't blame the defectors for a moment for getting the hell out of there rather than returning to fight for the revolution, but if they are heavily enough armed to take on a ship then they could still do some good.
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^^^ hopefully beaten like Gaddafi Al Jazeera is reporting that, Abdul Fatah Younis the Libyan Minister of Interior has resigned and joined the side of the protesters and called for the Army to join forces with the protesters. Combined with a could of reports that ships are shelling Benghazi seems like the situation is rapidly spiralling into full Civil War.
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Nckdictator posted:Way to go Danny! Christ, what a blind, stupid rear end in a top hat Ortega must be.
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farraday posted:You know, screw winning jeopardy, if someone could just get a loving transcription program that worked well we'd be doing great. I'm tired of trawling through video archives for stupid poo poo people have said. You know how hard it is to make sensible words out of that crap he was spewing? Anything that comes back 50% intelligible will be a success.
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ukle posted:Combined with a could of reports that ships are shelling Benghazi seems like the situation is rapidly spiralling into full Civil War. There were pictures posted of two ships off of the coast identified as Libyan naval vessels, but they looked like transports. I'll try to find that picture to see if some salty dog in the thread can help identify them. Edit: Picture of the two vessels: http://twitpic.com/42mdun according to the caption, it was taken approx. 4-5 hours ago near Zawiyat al Dahmani St in Tripoli. whoflungpoop fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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farraday posted:One of the most interesting parts of the Libyan protests has been the rapid disintegration of the government. The regime seems to be unraveling from the ground up, which is both incredible and terrifying. At this point, I think the people like the aforementioned Interior Minister are more concerned about achieving the status of "Not people the new regime will want to execute." There might be an element of conscience involved, but I think that this is the primary motivator.
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Zappatista posted:Has anyone put out a transcript of Ghadaffi's latest speech? Ghadaffi posted:Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.
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farraday posted:One of the most interesting parts of the Libyan protests has been the rapid disintegration of the government. The regime seems to be unraveling from the ground up, which is both incredible and terrifying. Someone more knowledgeable about the subject will be able to explain it better, but Libya's government (Jamahiriya) is basically unique in that it doesn't really exist - outside of tribal bonds, the only real concrete aspect of government is focused directly under Ghadaffi himself - there's no one else with even a fraction of his power. Once he was even remotely out of the loop, the whole thing fell apart like dead leaves.
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farraday posted:You know, screw winning jeopardy, if someone could just get a loving transcription program that worked well we'd be doing great. I'm tired of trawling through video archives for stupid poo poo people have said. I think Gaddafi already uses a speech generator that picks random topics from Wikipedia and ties them together, so this should be an easy feature to add.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/201122216458913596.html A summary of the latest Gaddafi speech. Personally summed up in a sentence: "I rule! Libya gently caress yeah! Go team! Fight the oppression, but watch out for Al-Qaeda, 'Islamists' and the pill-popping youth that are leading the protests against me! If the drugged up anti-me protesters don't back down I'm going to kill them. New constitution Wednesday." The best part is his "drugged up youth" comments. More literally, he believes there are those that give young people pills and they get all hosed up and protest-y.  This is what Gaddafi actually believes.
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Congratulations Qaddafi, your nation has entered the 60's!
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Slantedfloors posted:Someone more knowledgeable about the subject will be able to explain it better, but Libya's government (Jamahiriya) is basically unique in that it doesn't really exist - outside of tribal bonds, the only real concrete aspect of government is focused directly under Ghadaffi himself - there's no one else with even a fraction of his power. Once he was even remotely out of the loop, the whole thing fell apart like dead leaves. I'm curious as to why Ghadaffi didn't try to buy off/bribe/throw oil money at the people of Benghazi if he and his advisors knew that unrest was likely to spring up there. Why jump to brutal repression if he supposedly has oil money to toss around?
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Maels posted:The best part is his "drugged up youth" comments. More literally, he believes there are those that give young people pills and they get all hosed up and protest-y. Speaking of the "drugged up youth", who is he blaming for the drugging, exactly? I couldn't make heads or tails of the speech, so I'm kinda lost, there.
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Maels posted:http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/02/201122216458913596.html You forgot the part about death penalty death penalty death penalty let me read this poem again did I tell you about the time Boris Yeltsin arble garble 
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Zappatista posted:I'm curious as to why Ghadaffi didn't try to buy off/bribe/throw oil money at the people of Benghazi if he and his advisors knew that unrest was likely to spring up there. Why jump to brutal repression if he supposedly has oil money to toss around? Because he's very clearly insane. It's pretty obvious that dictators aren't sane. If they were both him and Mubarak would have gathered up their vast fortune and got the gently caress out at the first serious signs of trouble.
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Zappatista posted:I'm curious as to why Ghadaffi didn't try to buy off/bribe/throw oil money at the people of Benghazi if he and his advisors knew that unrest was likely to spring up there. Why jump to brutal repression if he supposedly has oil money to toss around? Needless to say, everyone remembered that he is literally the entire government and they started burning poo poo down. Slantedfloors fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Feb 22, 2011 |
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I',m all for beat poetry, but geeze. How is this gonna stop?
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Finlander posted:Speaking of the "drugged up youth", who is he blaming for the drugging, exactly? I couldn't make heads or tails of the speech, so I'm kinda lost, there. Literally "Them". There's also a call to pro-daffians to get out and protest the protests. He says he hasn't authorized the use of force, but when he does...DUN DUN DUNNN.
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Jamsque posted:You forgot the part about death penalty death penalty death penalty let me read this poem again did I tell you about the time Boris Yeltsin arble garble I'm still trying to figure out how the Branch-Davidians of all people fit into this
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Regardless of the veracity of "African mercenaries," I would not be surprised at all if many sub-Saharan Africans are rooting for them. I spent time in West Africa, and I was shocked at how many times I heard "We should follow Israel's example" from the locals, even from Muslims. I even heard a Nigerian Muslim say "I hope Bush bombs them all!" Many black Africans were rooting for Israel during the assault on Gaza in the same way freed slaves might root for General Sherman. White Europeans and Arabs are hated there, and they are hated for a reason.
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redscare posted:I'm still trying to figure out how the Branch-Davidians of all people fit into this I *think* he was trying to explain to his people how everything is so much better in Libya, how they might be getting shot in the street but at least he's not using poisonous gas and tanks like Bill Clinton did at Waco, or how California was purged of all blacks when they rebelled or something. Although I think presently many Libyans would willingly cleanse the country of all blacks (pro-Muammar or not), so I don't know if that last bit had the intended effect...
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whoflungpoop posted:The latest consensus from reports with locals is that there was no naval shelling of Benghazi - the original rumour came from a caller to Al-Hurra but has been since retracted and I haven't seen any updates to this since. http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=107473
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