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Brown Moses posted:If success in Libya inspires the Iranian protesters he'll be using exactly the same tactics if he wants any chance of staying in power. Unlike Libya, Ahmadinejad is part of an extensive system of power in Iran and if he departs from power the country can go on as it normally does, so I doubt Iranian power centres are gonna let him use fighter jets and tanks to kill protesters.
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How are things going in Egypt, Ham? I heard the new cabinet annoyed a number of people and further protests are planned for Friday?
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Brown Moses posted:If success in Libya inspires the Iranian protesters he'll be using exactly the same tactics if he wants any chance of staying in power. The hypocrisy and lies shown from the Iranian government over the last decade is like some big joke everyone there is in on. Ham posted:Unlike Libya, Ahmadinejad is part of an extensive system of power in Iran and if he departs from power the country can go on as it normally does, so I doubt Iranian power centres are gonna let him use fighter jets and tanks to kill protesters. Unlike Libya, Iran has different opposition groups and clerical factions that aren't technically banned, but do not speak up very often. It would be dinner jacket and Khamenei that would be ousted if there was a revolt. Fortunately, Iran has some really good opposition groups with power that could easily act as interim or shake things up. However it's a completely different dynamic in Iran. Lascivious Sloth fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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I'm getting pretty sick of Tweets saying stuff along the lines of "What's up with this Gaddafi guy and all his different names??!?".
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Brown Moses posted:If success in Libya inspires the Iranian protesters he'll be using exactly the same tactics if he wants any chance of staying in power. Ahmadinejad is just the crazy window dressings to the regime. Control of the security services, military, and foreign policy is in the hands of the Supreme Leader. If/when there's a crackdown, it's coming from Khamenei.
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Twitter updates: on Al Jaz, they're saying the mercenaries are Touareg and Mauritanian Many reports that mercenaries now being flown out of Sabha (south/central Libya) more than from anywhere else UN Human Rights Council will hold special session on Feb, 25 to discuss the crisis in #Libya following request by #EU. Shame on #ArabLeague Hungarian #EU Presidency: "It is unacceptable for dictators to shoot their own people." ... #Libya Report: #Gadhafi ordered sabotage of oil pipelines in #Libya Our correspondent on #Libya-#Egypt border says many Egyptians coming through just to give media pics/memory cards & go back in
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 11:39 |
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It was interesting to see the protest movements collide with stuffy run-of-the-mill dictatorships in Egypt and Tunisia but seeing the protest movements collide with a guy as batshit crazy as Qaddafi will be something to behold. Libya will be a hot mess before this thing is over. Anyway, I should probably make the four hundred mile drive I was planning on this weekend sooner rather than later. Can't have the Libyan pipelines exploding and driving up the gas prices, can we?
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 11:55 |
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I'm trying to put together a situation map for Libya. Any additional info to help fill in the blanks would be appreciated. Under the control of anti-Gaddafi forces (Green) Tobruk Population 300,000 Benghazi Population 670,797 Al-Bayda Population 206,180 Nalut Population 55,000 Currently rebelling (Yellow) Misurata Population 550,000 (entire district) Currently getting hosed by mercenaries (Red) Tripoli Population 1,065,405
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 11:57 |
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First report of a foreign citizen being killed I think:quote:Just reported by Reuters news agency, quoting Turkish TV - a Turkish worker has been shot dead near Tripoli.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 11:59 |
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Couple of other bits too:quote:Al Arabiya/Al Jazeera: Italian foreign minister: Barqah/Cyrenaica (the Eastern half of #Libya) is no longer under the control of Gaddafi quote:More from the Guardian's Martin Chulov in Benghazi: "Air force major tells me of witnessing 4k african mercenaries arriving from feb 14 'that's why we turned against them'."
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Lycus posted:Iranian President Ahmadinejad condemns Libya's use of force on demonstrators. Just you wait Ahmadinejad, yours is coming soon!
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Roark posted:
And as for the UNHRC, they have several suspect members sitting on it, the reasoning behind it is to get countries such as Lybia to engage in discussion. It's not a "we all have great human rights" club, and was never supposed to be.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 12:27 |
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I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 12:28 |
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Pureauthor posted:I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment. "drat whipper snappers and rascals of today, I think I should hold another speech so they'd drop those drugs!"
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Pureauthor posted:I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment. "After this mess is over we should probably do something about those pink elephants stomping around drugging JFK."
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Pureauthor posted:I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment. "I am the state!"
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Corny posted:
I was watching Al Jazeera not too long ago when Ahmadinejad came on with his absurd speech about respecting the people's desires. was the only thing that came to mind.
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Based off various reports I've updated the map: Under the control of anti-Gaddafi forces (Green) Tobruk Population 300,000 Benghazi Population 670,797 Al-Bayda Population 206,180 Nalut Population 55,000 Currently rebelling (Yellow) Misurata Population 550,000 (entire district) Tajoura 14km East of Tripoli, inside the Tripoli District. Population 600,000 Al Kuhms Population 202,000 Az Zawiyah Population 290,993 Gheryan Population 401,000 Bani Walid Populaton 46,350 Yifrin Currently getting hosed by mercenaries (Red) Tripoli Population 1,065,405 Pro Gaddafi Strongholds (Black) Sirt Population 128,100 Sabha Population 130,000
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 12:40 |
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More from Twitter: residents in #Beghazi report locals are handing back weapons as they now feel safe after security forces withdrew (Reuters) Gaddafi only has the support of about 5000 soldiers in the army, according to @time ... via @Jerusalem_Post Just called contact in Musrata who says city is completely in the control of the people, even have command center maintaining order martinchulov of The Guardian #Libia #Libye: : One ghanan and one african mercenary paraded for me. #libya #feb17. Arrived 9 days ago. Protesters tell me they see khadafi's speech as a call to civil war Also the people of Benghazi still protest everyday for what is happening to their brothers in Tripoli East of #Libya totally liberated &totally peaceful ovr th past 24 hours. Everything east of Ras Lanuf. the direct oil pipeline between #Libya and Italy - the so-called "Green Stream" has completely "dried up". Yusuf Al Qardawi, a leading Sunni cleric, has just issued a fatwa on Al Jazeera Arabic, encouraging the assassination of #Gaddafi As for west, cities liberated include Misurata, Tajoura, Khums, Azzawiya, Gheryan, Bani Walid, Tarhouna, Yfren. Free but not safe Those fearful of splitting #Libya: Of main cities only Tripoli, Sirt, and Sabha are with #Gaddafi; at least 75% of the country free.
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I just want to say I appreciate everybody who's keeping this thread updated. Well done.
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Lascivious Sloth posted:NYT has a hilarious article about how insane the family is, taken from cable leaks: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/23/world/africa/23cables.html?partner=rss&emc=rss Gooniest Dictator?
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Brown Moses posted:the direct oil pipeline between #Libya and Italy - the so-called "Green Stream" has completely "dried up". Uh oh. Gaddafi's loving over one of his closest buddies.
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Thanks for all the hard work, Brown Moses, it's appreciated. It seems like civil war is pretty much inevitable at this point. CQ is not stepping down any time soon, but he's lost control of most of the country and most of the armed forces. One has to assume that once they get organised the rebel army units in the east of the country are going to try and liberate Tripoli.
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Jut posted:Please stop repeating what you've heard on fox news. The most frequent user of veto is the US. China only veto on issues related to china, and Russia rarely use their veto powers. There is no precedent set for China and Russia blocking military action through the UNSC. Please stop assuming that everyone who criticizes the UN is a Beck watching right-wing crazy. Military action? No, they haven't. But the Chinese specifically have blocked action on Darfur, threatened to block the release of reports on North Korea, and, with Russia, have dragged their feet on the sanctions regime towards Iran, and vetoed condemnation of Burma and Zimbabwe in the 2007-08 session. If past history is any guide, any discussion of a sanctions regime towards Libya (the next likely step) is going to be slower than most in the West would like.
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quote:Yusuf Al Qardawi, a leading Sunni cleric, has just issued a fatwa on Al Jazeera Arabic, encouraging the assassination of #Gaddafi What the hell? Brown moses can you explain that.
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Brown Moses posted:martinchulov of The Guardian #Libia #Libye: : One ghanan and one african mercenary paraded for me. #libya #feb17. Arrived 9 days ago.
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Brown Moses posted:Based off various reports I've updated the map: That map is great. You are great. The evil looking skeleton with horns and a green hat is not great. Are the white areas (I am guessing here) just wastelands where few people live, much less know what is going on with the country? Cartouche fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Pureauthor posted:I wonder what Gaddafi is thinking at this exact moment. "Cats, rats! Potato, no beard! I want lamppost waffle, last year! OMNIVORES!"
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Cartouche posted:Are the white areas (I am guessing here) just wastelands where few people live, much less know what is going on with the country? Based on a quick GIS for a population density map, it seems that way, except the two southern-east dark green areas are also low pop, but I guess they're colored in because we actually have an idea of how that area is going. This density map may not be recent though. There's no date on it, so I might be really wrong. It lines up with the other white areas outside of the north-west tip, though. Edit: Might as well include it so if it's really off someone who knows Libya better can mention what's wrong. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Brown Moses posted:Can you upload a blank copy of that map? Thinking about making one for where the various tribal strongholds are.
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Cartouche posted:That map is great. You are great. The biggest white area/province is the start of the Sahara. Other than oasis towns and Bedouin, there's not much there.
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Roark posted:The biggest white area/province is the start of the Sahara. Other than oasis towns and Bedouin, there's not much there. Hmmm. That gives me an idea of what they should do with Gadda. Tie him up on a donkey facing backward, put a huge plastic clown head over his head, tie a glass of water on a stick to the donkeys neck just out of it's reach, point it into the desert. He wants to be a martyr? Give him a silly death. (Thanks go out to one of the Mad Max movies for the idea)
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Lascivious Sloth posted:What the hell? Brown moses can you explain that. It's actually a couple of days old, he's an Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood member, more details on it here. People have an annoying habit of Tweeting old news on a very active hashtag. With regards to the map I forgot to mention the dark green areas are places where control by anti-Gaddafi forces are assumed, but I don't have an specific information about those cities or districts. By all accounts the east of Libya is at the very least no longer controlled by Gaddafi. White areas are where I've seen no information, I'm trying to fill in those gaps as much as possible. Xandu posted:Can you upload a blank copy of that map? Thinking about making one for where the various tribal strongholds are.
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The Guardian Live Blog just posted their afternoon round up:quote:Here's a wrap-up of some of the latest news in from the Associated Press and Reuters news agencies: They've also posted A google map of violence across Libya An interactive map of Arab and Middle East protests. More news on cities rebelling against Gaddafi: quote:El Pais is talking to a Spanish-based Libyan who is in constant communication with his family in Zliten, a coastal city only 70 miles east of Tripoli. Their source says pro-Gaddafi thugs took to the streets after his speech, causing 30 injuries, but that they were disarmed. The suggestion is that the city is now in the hands of anti-Gaddafi protesters. Also El Pais's correspondent on the Tunisian frontier, Álvaro de Cózar, at Ras Jdir is reporting that they are beginning to see refugees arrive who have been beaten or tortured. Gaddafi's men still control the road to Tripoli, however, making it impossible for journalists to get through. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Various tweets, excluding all those assholes who are whining about the rising oil prices. "Wah wah wah, gas is so expensive, wah wah wah": We heard that a house accomodating refugees in #Libya has been bombed. We don't know if there were casualties. people in the East are protesting for tripoli and waiting for HUGE celebration nationwide when gaddafi falls and tripoli is free just got off the phone with commander of the army in Tobruk, who has commanded his forces to join the people. will update soon. Libyan soldier with gun shot wound just arrived at benghazi's jala hospital shot dead by ghaddafi loyalists. Men in new cars without plates shooting at people gathering outside. These are #Gaddafi death squads. #Libya Intensive care unit in benghazi still full of casualties from weekend govt crack down. Uncle: we have never seen days like this in benghazi, it is calm everyone is family all the tribes it is incredible we are 1 Horrid, panicked video showing yellow hatted mercenaries in #Libya breaking into people's houses Botswana has become the first African country to cut off diplomatic ties with #Libya over the use of violence against protestors. Couple of bits from AJE: quote:As much as a quarter of Libyan oil output has been shut down, the Reuters news agency reports. Libya produces almost 2 per cent of the world's oil. quote:Off the coast of Malta, ships are patrolling following reports of Libyan vessels in the area. It is unclear whether these Libyan vessels are potential defectors, or if they are Gaddafi's navy ships, Al Jazeera's Cal Perry said from Valletta. A good update from the Guardian about the situation in Benghazi: quote:Our correspondent Martin Chulov is one of the first international journalists in Benghazi. He may actually be the first, but we're not able to be absolutely sure about that. He writes:
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Someone on Twitter posted this nearly comical map of the cities controlled by Gaddafi and the protesters.
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News from Tripoli:quote:Some details from the Associated Press news agency about what has been happening in Tripoli. At the moment it seems like Gaddafi is expending all this resources into trying to keep control of Tripoli. Meanwhile more cities become free, more military units defect, and his allies and government deserts him.
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Some Tweets from CNN's Ben Weredman about the situation in the northeast: @bencnn All govt buildings in Derna, #Libya, incl police station, intel hq and police academy torched. (We r no longer there.) @bencnn: Anti-Gadhafi radio station, voice of free #Libya announces "countdown has begun to end of regime" @bencnn: Last night intv'd Libyan soldiers captured by anti-Gadhafi forces. Morale clearly low. @bencnn: Listening to Libya state radio. Libyan friend calls it LIES FM.
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In other words he is slowly going into Hitlerbunker mode.
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Yeah, it's basically Downfall 2 : Downfall Harder.
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