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cioxx posted:In other words he is slowly going into Hitlerbunker mode. Except that from what we've seen with his speech yesterday, instead of it being a Hitlerbunker it's a burned out shithole that looks dingier than a college apartment.
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Whatever Gaddafi gets at the end of this mess will be too nice for what he deserves. I couldn't conjure, if I tried, the right punishment for someone that has done what he has done.
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More defections:quote:Major General Suleiman Mahmoud, a commander in Libyan army in Tobruk, is now on the side of the Libyan people. He called Gaddafi "a tyrant" and told Al Jazeera "the people in the army are steadfast" in the city. Bit of schadenfreude for you, Gaddafi's Benghazi home is being looted at the moment. Live blogs BBC BBC Yahoo AFP AJE
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More from Twitter Captured Gaddafi's #mercenaries are being interrogated by lawyers and army officials in "Free Benghazi" Both Al-Arabiya & BBC now reporting that up to 10000 killed in #Libya so far. Official tells ambassadors #Libya sticks by death toll of 300 #Libya tries to defend itself in front of European ambassadors by callin meeting to detail 'official' account Protesters stole bull dozers to break into the army base. At least a dozen still wedged against walls. Su-22 ordered to strike Benghazi #Libya crashed when pilots decided to eject instead of attacking the city Repubblica.it reported via Quryna #Libya's Quryna newspaper says Libyan air force plane crashes near Benghazi after crew bail out Big, big deal @CBSNews Libya's ex-justice minister tells Swedish tabloid he has proof Qaddafi personally ordered Lockerbie bombing
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Brown Moses posted:Big, big deal @CBSNews Libya's ex-justice minister tells Swedish tabloid he has proof Qaddafi personally ordered Lockerbie bombing 
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Here's the AP storyquote:Report: Ex-minister says Gadhafi ordered Lockerbie
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The army has apparently sided with the protesters in Zwara, the the north west of the country, population 45,000.
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Pharaoh strikes from the grave in Pittsburgh... With a hatchet... edit: Heh, just read the comment from Bud Abbott: "I'm scared, Lou" Brown Moses posted:Here's the AP story I wonder if there is anything in his evidence that implicates any Scotts. FLASHBACK! Don't celebrate Lockerbie bomber's release, Libya urged Cartouche fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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I have missed a lot of this thread. I followed the Egypt one heavily, but unfortunately have been too busy at work to pay enough attention to this. Could anyone give me a quick rundown on how things are going in the various places?
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Brown Moses posted:Here's the AP story Muh, I'm guessing this is just misinformation against CQ to try and drag the UK into this and speed up CQ's removal.
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Cartouche posted:Pharaoh strikes from the grave in Pittsburgh... With a hatchet... I doubt it, the only thing we had to do with the actual bombing was that it happened in our airspace, so I'd be surprised if it implicates anyone in Scotland over the bombing itself. As to the release of the bomber, cables revealed that the British government and BP basically gave Libya a load of legal advice on how best to convince us to release him on compassionate grounds, apparently without our knowledge. It would be interesting, certainly, if it turned out the Justice Minister had been involved in some conspiracy to effect his release, but personally I'm not conviced the Scottish Government was in on any deception.
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cptInsane0 posted:I have missed a lot of this thread. I followed the Egypt one heavily, but unfortunately have been too busy at work to pay enough attention to this. Could anyone give me a quick rundown on how things are going in the various places? It sounds like the East of half of Libya is pretty much under the control of the protesters, with army units joining the protesters, and the border with Egypt under the control of the protesters. The residents of Tripoli are under seige as mercenaries kill anything that moves. Most cities in the west have rebelled, or are in the process of rebelling, with army units defecting all over the place. Outside of the towns and cities Gaddafi controls many roads, making movement between the cities impossible. The western border only has one crossing controlled by the protesters, every other one is controlled by Gaddafi supporters. I've posted loads of info on the last two pages, including a couple of useful maps.
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Stupid Gadaffi, changing his name is the worst mistake he could have possibly made. Now all those people are protesting in the streets because they don't think he has a real birth certificate...
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Tarnek posted:A libyan commercial (?) plane is trying to land in Malta according to Al-Jazeera, it's running out of fuel. AJE just updated on this: quote:A National Libyan Airline plane is circling the airspace off the coast of Malta, Al Jazeera's Cal Perry reports from Valletta. "The plane is saying they are running out of fuel and need to land .. they are negotiating with the runway about landing," Perry says. [edit]Apparently it got turned back by Malta. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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Brown Moses posted:I imagine many eyes were rolled when he said that. I want to be the Emir of Derna, are they accepting resumes? Also, I have a lineage going back decades and I promise to limit my virgin bodyguard to no more than 5. Great use of quotation marks by AJE quote:5.34pm: Italy predicts that some 300, 000 Libyans could flee to Europe "if" Gaddafi falls.
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Brown Moses posted:AJE just updated on this: well that's loving lovely of them. "screw you guys trying to escape. Out of fuel? not our problem mate"
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Brown Moses posted:Apparently it got turned back by Malta. In a situation like this that seems like a needlessly cruel thing to do. At worst, the plane could have been filled with defectors who, now more or less outed as such, have to return to an airstrip controlled by a regime that has killed hundreds of conscientious objectors in the past few days.
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cptInsane0 posted:I have missed a lot of this thread. I followed the Egypt one heavily, but unfortunately have been too busy at work to pay enough attention to this. Could anyone give me a quick rundown on how things are going in the various places? I like to think of it like this, the Revolution DEFCON: Annihilated (Revolution successful): Egypt Defcon 1 (No turning back): Libya, Tunisia Defcon 2 (In revolt): Bahrain, Yemen Defcon 3 (potential for revolt): Algeria Defcon 4 (low chance of revolt): Iran, Iraq Defcon 5 (extremely low chance of revolt): Saudi Arabia, China etc. I'm sure I've missed a few countries.
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Jut posted:well that's loving lovely of them. "screw you guys trying to escape. Out of fuel? not our problem mate" I don't think that is why they were turned back. Considering Gaddafi's past ties to state-sponsored terrorism they were probably worried about the plane being used to retaliate against them for their acceptance of defectors. It is awful, and I hope that the plane makes it to safety elsewhere.
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Gravel Gravy posted:I don't think that is why they were turned back. Considering Gaddafi's past ties to state-sponsored terrorism they were probably worried about the plane being used to retaliate against them for their acceptance of defectors. It is awful, and I hope that the plane makes it to safety. To be fair there are easier ways to deal with that situation. Give it a military jet escort that will fire if they change course. Tell them to land and then remain inside the plane, then send in military personnel to check it all out. Easy enough. Turning back a commercial plane low on fuel is pretty ridiculous. vvvv then take them into custody and let the UN decide. What a wasted opportunity.
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Twitter is saying the plane held Aisha Ghadaffi and Ghadaffi cronies.
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Mr Plow posted:Twitter is saying the plane held Aisha Ghadaffi and Ghadaffi cronies. Confirmed just now by Al-Jazeera
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In that case, gently caress them.
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Shoot those assholes down.
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Brown Moses posted:In that case, gently caress them. I don't know why, it's so much more convenient when your most wanted list arraigns itself.
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anyone got a link to yesterdays crazy speech by Gaddafi in what looked like an abandoned warehouse? he flinches as one of his soldiers goes up to kiss him, made me laugh
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If they are short on fuel they don't have many other options, Libya is about 200 miles away, and that leaves them with Italy or various revolutionary arab countries.
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AJE has live feed for first time [Tobruk].
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I heard someone claim the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt agrees to a democratic government, provided the new legislation is not at odds with sharia. Is this true? I can't find first-hand sources for or against.
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Hob_Gadling posted:I heard someone claim the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt agrees to a democratic government, provided the new legislation is not at odds with sharia. I really doubt this is true, it doesn't seem in line with MB behaviour. Also, it wouldn't really matter what they want. Western sources like to portray them as the mastermind and lords of the revolution but there role was relatively small overall.
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News from Libya's 10 biggest cities: Tripoli: 450 bodies found in a school, near an Hospital in Tripoli Benghazi: #Libya military officer tells me 3 naval ships ordered to sail to Benghazi to attack it. Crew torn about what to do. Misurata: Protesters control #Misurata, 1st major city in West #Libya CBC reports Az Zawia: Breaking: Al Jazeera English: Fresh air-strikes by regime forces in Az Zawia Sabha: URGENT+CONFIRMED: mercenaries landing in airport controlled my Gadafi son, M3ateega+Sabha airp used to attacked Zawia+Musrata Ajdabiya: A military source: military fighter jet crash west Ajdabiya refused crew bombed Benghaz Al-khums: From friend in #Libya: Gaddafi loyalists arrived in Al-khums tried bribing locals to back him. People refused & forced them to leave Al Bayda: Reports from Al-Bayda: Bakeries giving bread for free; pharmacies giving medicine for free; neighborhood watches formed Darnah: Al-Jazeera has live cameras in both Tobruk and Darnah, two liberated Libyan cities. Thrilling to watch. Tobruk: Major General Suleiman Mahmoud, commander of armed forces in Tobruk who have joined the uprising: We fear an attack on the east of #Libya
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Brown Moses posted:More from Twitter Holy gently caress, is this a typo or have 10,000 people been killed?  . If so, this is even more abhorrent than before, that's an insane amount.
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Has to be a typo, that would be insane.
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~1,000 was the estimate I heard on AJE not long ago.
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henpod posted:Holy gently caress, is this a typo or have 10,000 people been killed? Hard to say, since the post just above yours details 500 bodies found in a school.
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