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Great White Hope posted:There's no way that's not a typo. It's not a typo.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:36 |
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Well....gently caress. Come on Libyans, hang in there. Edit: For reference (unless I screwed up my rushed math which might have happened), that's about .155% of Libya's population, or more than 1 in every 1,000 people. Given how 1,000 was an estimate not too long ago, the number could easily hit 1 in 100 if this keeps up. rare Magic card l00k fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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DarkCrawler posted:Has to be a typo, that would be insane. Well, by now, it's already been established that things over there are insane. And since there's been so many reports of there being hundreds upon hundreds of dead people found, 10 000 dead doesn't seem too far-fetched. Hopefully not, though, especially since Libya's not really a huge country, meaning that 10 000 dead is pretty much genocide.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:39 |
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henpod posted:Holy gently caress, is this a typo or have 10,000 people been killed? . If so, this is even more abhorrent than before, that's an insane amount. It's not uncommon for death tolls to be overestimated during a revolution, look at the estimated people killed in the Romanian revolution, compared to the actual figures. The media were reporting deaths in the tens of thousands, but the actual figure was less than 200. More people ended up dying in the minerads than NC's overthrow.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:39 |
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I literally cannot get enough of Gadaffi's speech. In its plain insanity, its awesome.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:40 |
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I don't know what to believe anymore. 10.000 dead is an insane amount. But, when we think about it, it is truly possible its way higher than the previously reported 1.000. That lunatic dictator used bombers and gunship against crowded civilians. The amount of killed must have been mindnumbing. And, as the tweet above mentions: 450 bodies discovered in a school. Probably result of the 'clean up' in Benghazi. Either way: a mass murder of civilians.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:44 |
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A lot of that number are due to hospitals running out of medication or electricity, elderly people and so on. Ie. the weakest people who die the easiest if there's a problem in the care-taking chain. It's safe to estimate somewhere between 3 to 6 times as many people are in need of some sort of treatment or medication (burns, lacerations etc.) as have actually been killed this far.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:45 |
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Mr Plow posted:It's not a typo. While it could be incorrect estimate, just imagine how many people would be mowed down in a protest march/square by a jet strafing the streets. Its like fish in a barrel. Christ this is disgusting.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:45 |
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I can definately see the death toll in the high thousands if the reports of random bombings, strafings, shellings, and the use of AA-weapons on crowds are true. Fucker must hang.
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Hob_Gadling posted:I heard someone claim the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt agrees to a democratic government, provided the new legislation is not at odds with sharia. http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27947 There are hundreds of articles in this line on their website going back to its launching, either it's been a decades-long PR campaign or they might actually be telling the truth.
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Settepotet posted:I don't know what to believe anymore. Don't forget that there can be a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration over things like this. I'm not denying that he's sent planes to bomb people, or that mercs have been shooting, but I'm not convinced that the image painted by the protesters is entirely accurate. Any figures would just be guesswork at this point in time, and only untill the smoke has cleared could we get an accurate count.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:50 |
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Go into Libya Dig for oil Take it out of the country Complain when your food is taken away http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-12550802 quote:Oil worker trapped in Libya 'desperate for rescue'
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Jut posted:Don't forget that there can be a lot of hyperbole and exaggeration over things like this. I'm not denying that he's sent planes to bomb people, or that mercs have been shooting, but I'm not convinced that the image painted by the protesters is entirely accurate. Any figures would just be guesswork at this point in time, and only untill the smoke has cleared could we get an accurate count. I'm betting an accurate count won't happen for awhile. Just think of the number of bodies the Mad Gad's stolen and either hidden in mass graves, coolers, etc. Even once he's gone Libya's probably going to still be in chaos for some regions till they clear out the insane number of mercs that seem to keep being imported.
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Reveilled posted:It would be interesting, certainly, if it turned out the Justice Minister had been involved in some conspiracy to effect his release, but personally I'm not conviced the Scottish Government was in on any deception. Really? Personally that was the last nail in the coffin for me believing that the Scottish parliament weren't just a bunch of self intrested disgusting cunts. It was pretty much the most transparent bit of under the table dealing I've ever seen. I hope that all the details of this come out after this is all over, but then I was hoping all the details of our(U.K/U.S.A) shadey dealings in Egypt would start coming out after their revolution. I guess it's a little early but hopefully they'll start releasing stuff at some point.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:55 |
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Some Twat posted:"Our priority is their safety so we are advising them to stay put if they are safe where they are at the current time." If the British government's priority was their safety, then they would be going there to airlift them out with a "attack us while we are rescuing our dudes and we WILL gently caress your poo poo up" attitude, not telling them to stay put. gently caress our government. Other's have gotten their people out, why has the British government still got their finger up their rear end?
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 17:57 |
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MJ_Turbo posted:anyone got a link to yesterdays crazy speech by Gaddafi in what looked like an abandoned warehouse? he flinches as one of his soldiers goes up to kiss him, made me laugh Go back to page 40 or so and you'll find the links. He was speaking from the house that Reagan blew up in 1986. He never repaired it.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:12 |
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Jut posted:If the British government's priority was their safety, then they would be going there to airlift them out with a "attack us while we are rescuing our dudes and we WILL gently caress your poo poo up" attitude, not telling them to stay put. gently caress our government. Other's have gotten their people out, why has the British government still got their finger up their rear end? AFAIK the SAS troops that were training gaddafis special forces may well still be in country and the UK government does not want them put against a wall and shot. Hard to get anything solid on it as the government refuses to comment on it. The UK jumped quite heavily into bed with Libya after 9/11 (and still has not closed all the weapons deals with them). Always remember that whatever the UK government is saying, Cameron just flew out to the middle east with reps from 8 different UK defence firms, to sell yet more arms to other dictators.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:16 |
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Jut posted:If the British government's priority was their safety, then they would be going there to airlift them out with a "attack us while we are rescuing our dudes and we WILL gently caress your poo poo up" attitude, not telling them to stay put. gently caress our government. Other's have gotten their people out, why has the British government still got their finger up their rear end? Because they're completely incompetent when dealing with developing situations - It's funny really, if Labour were still in power, and they were showing this level of uselessness, then the tabloids would be having a loving field day with "LIEBOUR CRONIES DO NOTHING TO SAVE OUR BRAVE BOYS" . It's sad really, because Cameron could of used this as an example to show he can react decisively and quickly to developing foreign entanglements, but he's fallen into the trap of most Prime Ministers after an extended time in the Shadow cabinet - having no loving clue about foreign events.
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Evening summary from the Guardian:quote:• Benghazi appears to have fallen irretrievably beyond the control of Muammar Gaddafi, reports the Guardian's Martin Chulov, the first foreign journalist to reach the city. Troops who have defected from the Gaddafi regime are barricading a police station in the city to prevent it being seized back by Gaddafi's forces in the city, where doctors said at least 230 people have been killed. One air force officer told the Guardian he personally witnessed up to 4,000 mercenaries arrive on Libyan transport planes, each of them carrying 300 armed men.
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Averrences posted:Because they're completely incompetent when dealing with developing situations - It's funny really, if Labour were still in power, and they were showing this level of uselessness, then the tabloids would be having a loving field day with "LIEBOUR CRONIES DO NOTHING TO SAVE OUR BRAVE BOYS" . This worries me. It seems to have taken much time and effort for them to charter two aircraft to pick up our stranded citizens. I'm beginning to wonder just how cash-strapped the UK really is. For example, just yesterday our prime minister was trying to convince Egypt to buy from our major armaments manufacturers, going as far as to travel with company representatives. It just seems, well, cheap and below our standing. Is this where the Big Society jobs are going to come from, selling guns to counties that have just through a major upheaval?
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RunningOnEmpty posted:This worries me. It seems to have taken much time and effort for them to charter two aircraft to pick up our stranded citizens. I'm beginning to wonder just how cash-strapped the UK really is. For example, just yesterday our prime minister was trying to convince Egypt to buy from our major armaments manufacturers, going as far as to travel with company representatives. It just seems, well, cheap and below our standing. Is this where the Big Society jobs are going to come from, selling guns to counties that have just through a major upheaval? That seems like a terrible idea anyway. "This country has just gone through a revolution and isn't exactly stable yet...LETS SELL THEM WEAPONS!"
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:28 |
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Sounds like it is more of a payback for campaign donations or whatever.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:29 |
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Jut posted:If the British government's priority was their safety, then they would be going there to airlift them out with a "attack us while we are rescuing our dudes and we WILL gently caress your poo poo up" attitude, not telling them to stay put. gently caress our government. Other's have gotten their people out, why has the British government still got their finger up their rear end? Well... others are saying that they've got their people out; however: Russia posted:We've got all our people out! The BBC posted:#1717: Russian worker Aleksandr Vorkachev, in Ra's Lanuf, tells Ekho Moskvy radio: "A camp with Russian citizens has been surrounded by Arab militant extremists." Hmm.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:36 |
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From Twitter Doctor in Benghazi:12 more people died from wounds inflicted earlier this week. Volunteers signing up to fight Gadhafi in Tripoli. Amazing: I hear by phone that Tajura, #Libya , less than 10 miles from Tripoli, has fallen. Rebel flag flying over it. Eye-witness report on Libya Live Radio reports: more than 6 army tanks driving into Tajoura just outside of Tripoli people are being burned and murdered by seashore so bodies are taken by the waters. Haaretz: Tribal leaders intervened with #Libya army and ordered them to step down Al Jazeera now live from Derna, Benghazi and Tubroq... all Gaddafi-free Border: Man fleeing #Libya reprts 20+ checkpts where Libyan soldiers take cellphones away & destroy sim cards Another massive protest for #Libya Revolution thundering down Hassan Sabri street right now. "Three workers at Libya's embassy in Sweden resign in protest of government crackdown" #Libya popular committes protecting secret military base A #UNHCR flight carrying tents & relief items for up to 10000 people fleeing violence in #libya expected to arrive in #Tunisia this wknd.
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http://alive.in/libya/2011/02/22/caller-personally-confirmed-1500-young-men-buried-alive-in-an-underground-room-in-benghazi-speak2tweet/ Underground prison...jesus christ. Would not surprise me at all if this were true. quote:Jazeera, I want to deliver this information, I confirmed it personally, on my responsibility. I am a Libyan citizen. Today in Benghazi they discovered a room underground, a room that is completely locked-in. Completely locked. Holding 1500 young men from Benghazi. From the 15th of February the first day of demonstrations to today when they got them out, the 22nd, they had been without food or water. They heard the voices from the barracks, noise, people. After they went to check, they got them out, God be praised, alive. 1500 young men, buried alive, buried alive. Muammar must be obliterated. We will not surrender. Our dead are in heaven, he is in hell. God bear witness that I have delivered this message, if there are any Muslims. God willing.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 18:57 |
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Am I really supposed to feel sorry for the cracker extra-nationals that haven't been able to flee Libya with their pockets full of stolen money?
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:01 |
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Interesting that they've starting calling protesters rebels now. I guess it's impossible to pretend it isn't a civil war at this point, especially if it's true that people are signing up to fight Gadhafi.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:01 |
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I'd be really surprised if the death toll is lower than 10k. Have you guys been watching the same revolution?
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:08 |
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Namarrgon posted:I'd be really surprised if the death toll is lower than 10k. Have you guys been watching the same revolution? Participant and bystander estimation of numbers are notoriously unreliable. Humans also survive some crazy poo poo. 10k casualties at this moment? Yes, absolutely. 10k deaths? Much harder to accept without backing.
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Xandu posted:http://alive.in/libya/2011/02/22/caller-personally-confirmed-1500-young-men-buried-alive-in-an-underground-room-in-benghazi-speak2tweet/ Jesus... is such a sick gently caress.
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http://www.undispatch.com/both-israel-and-palestine-co-sponsor-resolution-condemning-libya-violence Quote from the above: Leave it to Muammar Qaddafi to bring together the Israelis and Palestinians at the United Nations. I have just obtained the copy of a draft resolution from the Human Rights Council that strongly condemns the violence in Libya. The resolution is as strongly worded as they come. But what is more significant than the substance of the resolution is the broad support that it has attracted by a diverse set of members.
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A Good Dog posted:Am I really supposed to feel sorry for the cracker extra-nationals that haven't been able to flee Libya with their pockets full of stolen money? Who exactly are you referring to?
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:35 |
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God I hope some one gets it together and manages to liberate Tripoli soon, it sounds like a nightmare straight out of the last century in there.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:35 |
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Xandu posted:http://alive.in/libya/2011/02/22/caller-personally-confirmed-1500-young-men-buried-alive-in-an-underground-room-in-benghazi-speak2tweet/ Well. This is just plain crazy. Holy gently caress...
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:36 |
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A Good Dog posted:Am I really supposed to feel sorry for the cracker extra-nationals that haven't been able to flee Libya with their pockets full of stolen money? Cracker extra-nationals? You're a loving idiot.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:46 |
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Obama about to give a worthless speech in about 20 minutes.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:50 |
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Brown Moses posted:Various tweets, excluding all those assholes who are whining about the rising oil prices. "Wah wah wah, gas is so expensive, wah wah wah": At the top of your Twitter home page, there's the headings of "Timeline" "@mentions" "retweets" "searches" and "lists". Drop down "lists" and choose "create a list". Then go through all the helpful people, follow them, and add them to your list. Bingo, no more gas-price weepers. You can even search out news sources using the search box at the very top of the page. Very useful, the list. You only get the posts that you want to see without offending family and friends by un-following them.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:50 |
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Brown Moses posted:Obama about to give a worthless speech in about 20 minutes.
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# ? Feb 23, 2011 19:59 |
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Samurai Sanders posted:Something like "Good job, everyone! Keep doing that thing!" like before?
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Slantedfloors posted:"We fully support the status quo, until such time as we cannot do so expediently. At that point we don't support it, and never have"
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