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A Good Dog posted:Am I really supposed to feel sorry for the cracker extra-nationals that haven't been able to flee Libya with their pockets full of stolen money? "Cracker extra-nationals" is like the best term imaginable.
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From the Guardian live blog Mr Hague said that, as well as laying charter planes, he was not ruling out the possibility of using military flights "without permission".
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Are the airstrikes even still happening? From the sounds of it, a big rear end chunk of the air force has either defected, gone over to "Free Libya", or ditched in the desert.
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Feb 23, 2011 20:15
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Slantedfloors posted:Are the airstrikes even still happening? From the sounds of it, a big rear end chunk of the air force has either defected, gone over to "Free Libya", or ditched in the desert. From what I've heard there were two jets that defected and landed on Malta, and another one where the pilots ejected after refusing an order to bomb civilians (and let the plane crash in an uninhabited area) - do you have a source on more?
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Feb 23, 2011 20:20
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The two who defected were part of a larger mission that was bombing ,i think, Tripoli. When they reported that the ships were bombarding tripoli, they think that was actually the air strikes, since the navy is in the middle of a mutiny right now.
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Feb 23, 2011 20:24
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Earwicker posted:From what I've heard there were two jets that defected and landed on Malta, and another one where the pilots ejected after refusing an order to bomb civilians (and let the plane crash in an uninhabited area) - do you have a source on more? Well, I think it has more to do with the ground real estate. There are large reports of ground forces defecting or joining the protesters. The aircraft can't say in the air forever and I sure as poo poo wouldn't want to land onto a hostile airfield. This is just my own speculation, of course.
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Yeah hopefully Italy or Malta could provide airfields open to defecting Libyan forces and say so, though that's probably very unrealistic.
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al-Jazeera Arabic mentioned monday night that two other warplanes bombed Tripoli. I think it was the Falshoom area, but I don't remember.
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Earwicker posted:Yeah hopefully Italy or Malta could provide airfields open to defecting Libyan forces and say so, though that's probably very unrealistic. It's likely that after the first 2 defected to Malta they started only fueling the planes enough to bomb and return, thus forcing the third defector to bail out and let the plane crash.
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Earwicker posted:From what I've heard there were two jets that defected and landed on Malta, and another one where the pilots ejected after refusing an order to bomb civilians (and let the plane crash in an uninhabited area) - do you have a source on more? After the two jets defected to Malta, there were some reports of another pair that overflew their targets and landed in Benghazi.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:It's likely that after the first 2 defected to Malta they started only fueling the planes enough to bomb and return, thus forcing the third defector to bail out and let the plane crash. That makes it sound like they're sending out one aircraft at a time, and their Air force is only like 7 aircraft strong.
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Tuxedo Jack posted:It's likely that after the first 2 defected to Malta they started only fueling the planes enough to bomb and return, thus forcing the third defector to bail out and let the plane crash. This is the most likely reason, though it could also be an act of defiance. "I WRECKED YO poo poo, NOW WHAT"
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Tuxedo Jack posted:It's likely that after the first 2 defected to Malta they started only fueling the planes enough to bomb and return, thus forcing the third defector to bail out and let the plane crash. I wonder about possibilities of landing in Egypt? Not that it's stable there but it seems like defecting Libyan forces might be more welcomed in Egyptian borders, and the border isn't that far from Benghazi
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Earwicker posted:I wonder about possibilities of landing in Egypt? Not that it's stable there but it seems like defecting Libyan forces might be more welcomed in Egyptian borders, and the border isn't that far from Benghazi I don't know for certain, but the boarder may be in close proximity, but is an actual airfield? I think Malta is closer either way.
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There's a really weird interview with Saadi Gaddafi on the Financial Times: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/bc99db2e-3f74-11e0-a1ba-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=rss#axzz1EoRVgdUw You have to register to read, but here are some snips: Financial Times posted:In an exclusive telephone interview from Tripoli, Mr Gaddafi told the Financial Times that the turmoil in Libya was a “positive earthquake” that shakes up the old guard stifling the country, and paves the way for much-needed reform. What the gently caress. He also claims that al Qaeda is in control of the eastern part of the country. 
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Sivias posted:That makes it sound like they're sending out one aircraft at a time, and their Air force is only like 7 aircraft strong. Looking at the Libyan Air Force page on Wikipedia, that number might be closer to the truth than you think. quote:Aircraft: Dassault Mirage F1BD/ED That page also says they have over 200 Aero L-39ZOs and Soko G-2s, which are Czech and Yugoslavian light attack fighter/bomber trainers, but they were also made in the '60s, so who knows how many are still flight-worthy.
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Check out Muammar's son's PhD thesis:Saif al-Islam Qaddafi posted:The core aim of the thesis, then, is to explore the potential for the concept of Collective Management to develop a more democratic, morally justified system of global governance that recognises the rights of individuals…and is particularly focused on empowering civil society organizations (CSOs) to give a stronger voice to those currently under-represented in the existing system http://www.economist.com/blogs/schumpeter/2011/02/everything_will_burn
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Lareous posted:This is the most likely reason, though it could also be an act of defiance. "I WRECKED YO poo poo, NOW WHAT" I wouldn't put it past them to start disabling the ejection systems in the aircraft on top of running them on fumes just to deter defection.
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Young Freud posted:12 What the gently caress has this guy spending all his oil money on for the last 42 loving years!?
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Sivias posted:What the gently caress has this guy spending all his oil money on for the last 42 loving years!?  Q/K/Gaddafi can't fly, but everyone poops.
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Sivias posted:What the gently caress has this guy spending all his oil money on for the last 42 loving years!? His wardrobe.
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Also camping on the lawn of various 5-star hotels throughout Europe and giving 500 Korans to 500 models.
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Sivias posted:What the gently caress has this guy spending all his oil money on for the last 42 loving years!? No kidding. He supposedly has 124 multi-role versions of the Mig-23, but the note to the side of that says "Most are grounded", which means anywhere from that they're being cannibalized for parts or they're fuel-hogs that they can't fly most of them. Going back to the no-fly zone talk, it's starting to sound like it's easier and easier to do. Almost like sending 2 Eurofighters and wiping out the entire airforce, Iron Eagle style.
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Sivias posted:What the gently caress has this guy spending all his oil money on for the last 42 loving years!? It actually gets worse if you look at the Army. I don't think there's a single piece of equipment they have that was made past the early 70's. And most of the stuff from the seventies is mothballed. The Brown Menace posted:Also camping on the lawn of various 5-star hotels throughout Europe and giving 500 Korans to 500 models. Slantedfloors fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Feb 23, 2011 |
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  quote:This is some gruesome footage posted on YouTube purporting to be of the bodies of soldiers found bound and shot in the Fadhil camp in Benghazi. Contains graphic images.
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davebo posted:Didn't someone say Obama was going to speak like an hour ago? Did that happen yet? I think it's going to be about DOMA no longer being supported by him.
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davebo posted:Didn't someone say Obama was going to speak like an hour ago? Did that happen yet?
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Brown Moses posted:That's why I get annoyed when people abuse the word hero. If true, those are true heroes, in any language or country.
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davebo posted:Didn't someone say Obama was going to speak like an hour ago? Did that happen yet? I have Hillary Clinton on my TV right now. She's with the Brazilian Foreign Minister just now mentioning Libya.
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breaklaw posted:I have Hillary Clinton on my TV right now. She's with the Brazilian Foreign Minister just now mentioning Libya. Yep. She's apparently been around Obama too much, she's doing that hand dictation thing. She's not really saying anything new, just the basic "We hate violence...play nice please".
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ChubbyEmoBabe posted:That's why I get annoyed when people abuse the word hero. If true, those are true heroes, in any language or country. Just think about it. They would have had an idea what might happen to them if they said no. I wonder if those men were shot one at a time. Did the question get asked again, whispered in their ear? And when they felt the muzzle pressed against the back of their head, having heard the man next to them fall forward, did they know that this- the end they have chosen, was better than killing their own country men. If I was ever in that position, and that thought alone makes me shudder, would I be man enough to face the sequences of that last question. I hope I never have to find out.
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Secretary Clinton condemning Iran for its hypocrisy. That's rich.
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Young Freud posted:Going back to the no-fly zone talk, it's starting to sound like it's easier and easier to do. Almost like sending 2 Eurofighters and wiping out the entire airforce, Iron Eagle style. Cappy could get 'er done!
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RunningOnEmpty posted:Just think about it. They would have had an idea what might happen to them if they said no. I wonder if those men were shot one at a time. Did the question get asked again, whispered in their ear? And when they felt the muzzle pressed against the back of their head, having heard the man next to them fall forward, did they know that this- the end they have chosen, was better than killing their own country men. What a chilling and sobering description.
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"Dear Gaddafi, GTFO SHITHEEL. Your (not) friends, Libya PS- No, seriously, gtfo." This man needs to gently caress off. This is loving ridiculous and I only hope that he is made to answer for it by his own people. None of this cozy imprisonment a la Noriega or something. Let the Libyans figure out what happens to him. He's a loving war criminal.
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Cacatua posted:I have just obtained the copy of a draft resolution from the Human Rights Council that strongly condemns the violence in Libya. The resolution is as strongly worded as they come. Hopefully this resolution will result in a meeting. And with any luck that will lead to a second, even more strongly-worded statement. It's even possible that they may threaten some sort of sanctions on the Libyan government should they continue killing their own civilians. Of course by the time debate is concluded and all these wizened diplomats have all had their say the issue will have been settled with blood in the streets, but oh well. The diplomatic process, you know...
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Paddyo posted:Hopefully this resolution will result in a meeting. And with any luck that will lead to a second, even more strongly-worded statement. It's even possible that they may threaten some sort of sanctions on the Libyan government should they continue killing their own civilians. I cannot help but think of this "This calls for immediate discussion!"
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