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I am sure he could pay for asylum in some other dictatorship, though I doubt he would. If he flees it will be into the hands of the UN.
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What's the end game in all of these Revolutions? Can we expect anything other than another crazed Dictator to take power?
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Ghetto Prince posted:Isn't it a little late for him to flee? And who would ever give him asylum? Since he's spent millions propping up some other African leaders - especially the Central African Republic and, recently, Chad - maybe somewhere else on the continent? I doubt he'd flee, though. He seems like he wants to go out Berlin '45 style.
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If the UN get him then he will die of a heart attack in a cell in The Hague long before he is convicted of anything, which is quite sad. It sounds like the population of Libya is as well armed as they are pissed off so hopefully soon you will be able to see a Saddam MkII on a streaming video site near you. Ghetto Prince posted:Isn't it a little late for him to flee? And who would ever give him asylum?
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Feb 24, 2011 19:38
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Gravel Gravy posted:If he flees it will be into the hands of the UN.
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Feb 24, 2011 19:40
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thunderspanks posted:If I was a deposed maniac looking for a relatively safe place to spend the rest of my life I too would probably have my eye on an impotent international organization who will do nothing but write strongly worded letters condemning my actions. Forget public execution, give me the wishy-washy talking heads. Putting him on trial would give him the biggest platform for spouting his inane speeches. And he sure loves those.
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DevNull posted:http://www.cnbc.com/id/41754177 Let's not get ahead of ourselves here, our (UK and US) governments have been financially loving the people for years and getting away with it. Heads have not rolled over the current 'greed engineered' recession, yet we are the ones still suffering. Not a defense of CQ, but it's important to but things in perspective.
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Al Jaz earlier reported that Burkina Faso is one of the few places that would welcome him with open arms.
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thunderspanks posted:If I was a deposed maniac looking for a relatively safe place to spend the rest of my life I too would probably have my eye on an impotent international organization who will do nothing but write strongly worded letters condemning my actions. Forget public execution, give me the wishy-washy talking heads. This episode has really messed with my perception of the international community. The amount of leaders and heads of state going "OK guys, this is a toughie but we think, just maybe, we can get a really very strong condemnation. At first it was going to be a medium strong condemnation but I put down my foot and it is now going to be a very strong condemnation. RESULT GUYS HI FIVE WHO DA MAN!" Its absolutely obvious to everyone that these people slaughtering the hell out of each in a media blackout might not know about the condemnation, nevermind give a poo poo about it. Our PM won't even support sanctions until all the Brits are safe. I guess I have a better idea how the poor bastards in Darfur feel but after seeing Iraq unfold I can't get my head around the complete inaction of heavily armed nations. Maybe I need to read up on Kosovo or some other time NATO did something useful to make feel better.
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Ghetto Prince posted:Isn't it a little late for him to flee? And who would ever give him asylum? Given the assets are being frozen, they're probably scraping together some cash and begging people to take them in. Except Malta. They've burned their bridges there.
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thunderspanks posted:If I was a deposed maniac looking for a relatively safe place to spend the rest of my life I too would probably have my eye on an impotent international organization who will do nothing but write strongly worded letters condemning my actions. Forget public execution, give me the wishy-washy talking heads. If he is planning to flee, he has JUST come to terms with the idea that he is not likely to win when the vast majority of those of us following the events, have mostly been just    waiting for him to wake up. Do you think he has also factored in the idea that the UN is probably one of, if not the, safest place for him to go? My money is on "I've done a lot of favors for people. I'll cash in a favor, no biggie." I would love to hear him say  "(insert foreign dictator) isn't returning my calls."
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Slave posted:Maybe I need to read up on Kosovo or some other time NATO did something useful to make feel better. I identify with you're saying here. Ive noticed that most of the people urging extremely strong condemnation have a political bone to pick with what whatever leader they're accusing of being silent. And if the leader strongly condemned the action these people would be urging isolationsism and "we're not the world's police". It seems to be contrarianism plastering over cognitive dissonance. and post-edit add on: it'd be nice to slip a  or two in and gut that lockerbie dude like a fish before the window closes.
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SauceNinja posted:If he is planning to flee, he has JUST come to terms with the idea that he is not likely to win when the vast majority of those of us following the events, have mostly been just He's finally figured out that nobody likes him and he's going to be buried under the remains of the rest of his family in short order. That, or he's going to tie Mussolini for 'most undignified exit from the mortal coil ever.' I don't mean to wish ill will on anyone, but at this point with what he's doing he's gagging for it.
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Here's an article I found laying out the political framework of Libya before the uprising.New Yorker posted:Here’s a story they tell in Libya. Three contestants are in a race to run five hundred metres carrying a bag of rats. The first sets off at a good pace, but after a hundred metres the rats have chewed through the bag and spill onto the course. The second contestant gets to a hundred and fifty metres, and the same thing happens. The third contestant shakes the bag so vigorously as he runs that the rats are constantly tumbling and cannot chew on anything, and he takes the prize. That third contestant is Libya’s leader, Colonel Muammar Qaddafi, the permanent revolutionary. And I found this especially hilarious. quote:The infighting helps Qaddafi moderate the pace of change. “He thinks reform should come ‘like a thief in the night,’ so that it is hardly noticed,” one family friend said. In some areas—notably with respect to civil liberties and economic restructuring—the rate of change is glacial. “What’s the hurry?” http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/05/08/060508fa_fact_solomon?currentPage=all
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Here's another Political drawing I just thought of now:
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Al-Saqr posted:Aljazeera reporting that anti-Qaddafi protesters are planning on trying to liberate Tripoli by force through Zawiya, it's not clear whether they will be using the weapons taken from the army. That sounds so epic. Everyone's getting ready for the final assault. I'm quite worried who will end up taking over once this is all over... Also, side note: we planned on having a "gay dictator party" last year where everyone would pick a dictator and dress up as a more flamboyant version of him. I was going to be Qaddafi since it seemed like it would have been easy. The party never materialized.
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Al-Saqr posted:Here's another Political drawing I just thought of now: Although I appreciate your effort, and I rather enjoy your art style, I fear the impact of your images lack something. The greatest of revolutionary imagery stems from visceral understanding. Look at things like the Nazi helm shadow man poster: "He's watching you." Very memorable and instantly recognizable in it's meaning. Elements of the iconic Nazi style helm. Dark shadows, conflicting colors, and stylized eyes. Your image lacks that instant recognition that really hits home. I hope my criticism is seen as constructive and not insulting. Good work, though! e; Perhaps something showing Gadaffi trying to hang the Libyan people, but with the other side of the noose tied to his own neck as well? Crying tears of crude. Sivias fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Feb 24, 2011 |
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Slave posted:If the UN get him then he will die of a heart attack in a cell in The Hague long before he is convicted of anything, which is quite sad. The same thing happened to Slobodan Milošević. In fact, I think his supporters argued that since he hadn't technically been found guilty (for sue he would have been convicted, that must mean he was innocent. And it was a shame that his victims were robbed of the chance to see him found responsible for his crimes.
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Sivias posted:Although I appreciate your effort, and I rather enjoy your art style, I fear the impact of your images lack something. The greatest of revolutionary imagery stems from visceral understanding. Look at things like the Nazi helm shadow man poster: "He's watching you." Thank you so much my friend, I really appreciate this advice, Political Cartooning is something I almost never do and I'm used to character based stuff, I forgot that political images have to be more symbolic. in fact I will re-work this cartoon and make it more impactful, I'm a little too much influenced by character based political art like David Low, but even he used symbology in his most important work. Thank you!
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Al-Saqr posted:Here's another Political drawing I just thought of now: Ahmadinejad of Iran sitting on a lush couch in his palace, eating popcorn lazily and watching Al Jazeera cover Tunisia/Egypt/Libya, with a green noose on a pole poking in from a window behind him.
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Al-Saqr posted:Thank you so much my friend, I really appreciate this advice, Political Cartooning is something I almost never do and I'm used to character based stuff, I forgot that political images have to be more symbolic. Rather than a crown, how about the Keffiyeh favored by the Saudi royals?
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Patter Song posted:Rather than a crown, how about the Keffiyeh favored by the Saudi royals? Too close to home, I dont feel like being snatched in the middle of the night just yet, the military suit/crown combination is general enough. also, the white head covering is called a 'ghutra' in saudi.(the more you know!)
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Al-Saqr posted:Too close to home, I dont feel like being snatched in the middle of the night just yet, the military suit/crown combination is general enough. Oh, I forgot where you are. Yeah, you'd be better off doing something attacking the Iranians.
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Could someone post a translation of the caption?
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Is it just me, or is Yusuf Islam a bit...vapid?
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Frozen Horse posted:Could someone post a translation of the caption? "The method of governance is the single biggest problem that faces human communities -- The first sentence of the green book"
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'Cause while the sinners sin, the children play - Tea for the Tillerman, Cat Stevens. Yusuf Islam is the biggest hippie, but I do enjoy his classics 
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Sivias posted:Yusuf Islam is the biggest hippie, but I do enjoy his classics Yeah, I was going to say he's not really vapid, he's just a hippie. (Roadsinger is pretty good too.)
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Here's Gaddafi's speech from earlier: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NayIM7w9gwg&feature=player_embedded
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"If you carry a leaking bag of water, your back will get wet?" What the hell sort of proverb is that?
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Patter Song posted:"If you carry a leaking bag of water, your back will get wet?" Clearly he's talking about Mexicans. Think about it: Drug war, youth, wetbacks. The Mexicans are supplying the Libyan youth with their freedom drugs!
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Brown Moses posted:Also from the Guardian: That's not a good sign. Unless they can find the body and confirm it's him, not having him face justice for his crimes will piss a lot of people off. Y'know, if he has actually been shot.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:That's not a good sign. Unless they can find the body and confirm it's him, not having him face justice for his crimes will piss a lot of people off.
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Slave posted:who are you to cast doubt on oil trader rumours Nobody if oil prices go down. But only if they go DOWN 
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Sivias posted:Is it likely that oil prices will go back down? I don't think people are fully appreciating the impact of these revolts. Well, they're hyper-inflated as it is, and a market corrhhaahahaahaa no 
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Once Gaddafi is gone, I wonder what the effect will be on Iran. The Green movement was an incredibly brave and and righteous cause, but the Libyan uprising makes the Green movement look tame by comparison. The Libyans will have demonstrated that even brutal crackdowns aren't always sufficient to stop an uprising. The Iranian youth might be forced to ask themselves how much they really want freedom, and just how much they are willing to risk. On a related note, back in 2009, a few days before Ahmadinejad's "fake but accurate" election that inspired the original Iranian uprising, a friend of mine in Iran sent me a video with her name attached to a pro-democracy message and requested that I upload it. A few days ago I received a message from someone in Iran saying that "she discovered her name in an internet search next to the video, and that she was really scared for her life because she didn't make the video but shared the same exact name of someone who did." She requested I change the name, which I immediately did. I tried to contact this person, but her channel was deleted. 
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