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Koine posted:Sounds like another reporter, though getting involved in the news has been kind of against the Guardian's code for a long time, I think. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I just remember journalists have always said they try to be impartial no matter how hard it is, but I guess when it's literally a matter of life and death they'd speak up.
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To add to what was said about enforcing a no-fly zone... apparently it would come down to the USN... or according to this, Principe de Asturias (R-11), Spanish Navy. (Alternately, the Juan Carlos I (L61).) That poster's alternate proposal for "fighter-less" no-fly zone enforcement would still require bombing Libya though. (TL;DR: Bomb the runways and SAM sites, then use Predator drone flights to monitor the remains.)
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# ? Mar 4, 2011 04:30 |
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JSARSOM posted:Those bodyguards aren't women
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The SARS Volta posted:Those bodyguards aren't women I think those are his drivers.
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The SARS Volta posted:Those bodyguards aren't women
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Hipster_Doofus posted:
You see, the photographer was on those drugs Mad Ghad is talking about and they were hallucinating that that little pink fluff ball on the wheel was his chauffeur. After that, an American recruited him into Al-Qaeada where he took orders from Israel. It all makes perfect sense I tell you! edit: Is that pink thing on the wheel a troll doll?
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# ? Mar 4, 2011 05:21 |
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thiswayliesmadness posted:edit: Is that pink thing on the wheel a troll doll? God knows I was wondering but I figured I'd leave it to someone wittier than I am to bring it up.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:God knows I was wondering but I figured I'd leave it to someone wittier than I am to bring it up. I thought it was an all too fitting carnation. A pink carnation seems to fit perfectly with the situation in that country. SauceNinja fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Mar 4, 2011 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gaddafi_International_Prize_for_Human_Rights I'm not sure what to make of this. Please tell me this is a joke
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Mr. Grinch posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gaddafi_International_Prize_for_Human_Rights You know what, I think that's gone to more worthy recipients than the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Hipster_Doofus posted:God knows I was wondering but I figured I'd leave it to someone wittier than I am to bring it up. Don't be alone, that is exactly what I thought too.
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thiswayliesmadness posted:edit: Is that pink thing on the wheel a troll doll?
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Slantedfloors posted:I'm pretty sure the (current, at least) Amazonian brigade is entirely for show. They only seem to be around him in canned photo ops, never when he's out in the open. A couple have been killed in the line of duty, the last one I know of a few years ago.
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# ? Mar 4, 2011 06:43 |
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Live blogs BBC Guardian AJE Other links Twitterfall Guardian round up quote:Good morning. It is Friday, which has become a significant day for protests in the Arab world since the uprisings, which started in Tunisia, began. Here is a summary of the latest developments:
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Military actionquote:News of a fresh airstrike in the eastern town of Ajdabiyah is breaking on Reuters. This is the third day in a row the town has reportedly been bombed by jets. The target appears to have been the military base held by rebels but it missed its target, according to rebel volunteers guarding the facility: quote:There have been reports of further bombings by Libyan government warplanes in eastern Libya. The BBC's Kevin Connolly in the rebel-held city of Benghazi says: "Libya is a vast country, so it is often hard to know from one town to know what is happening in the next. Col Gaddafi has used air power in this conflict, although he has so far used it sporadically and in a fairly limited and ineffective way." Libyan airforce status : Still poo poo Tripoli quote:The Associated Press reports that there is a climate of fear in Tripoli, ahead of a planned protest after Friday prayers: quote:Residents of the Libyan capital have told the Associated Press that calls for new anti-government protests after Friday prayers at noon local time (1000 GMT) are being passed by word of mouth. Friday could provide a test of Col Gaddafi's grip on power. Last week, anti-government protesters in Tripoli came under heavy gunfire after Friday prayers. Witnesses told the BBC that several people were killed. quote:LibyaFeb17.com tweeted on Thursday evening: "A thought: For some of Tripoli's youth, this will be their last night. May God have mercy on all our martyrs in #Libya #feb17" quote:On a government-hosted tour of Tripoli, Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught reported that there were no signs of the kind of protests that have been seen across the rest of the country, though the city was struggling with the mass exodus of many migrants who work in the service and business sectors. As for demonstrations, there were none, save for a small government-sponsored pro-Gaddafi one near Green Square. quote:Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has denied allegations that the Libyan air force has attacked anti-government protesters in the capital, Tripoli. But in an interview with Sky News, he acknowledged that the security forces were targeting potential rebel ringleaders. He said the current crisis was - as he put it - no time to risk the country or tolerate subversives, and that everything was legitimate if it was for the security of the country. Douchebags quote:Saif al-Islam Gaddafi, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son, has been speaking to Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught in Tripoli. An excerpt from the interview:
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Not totally relevant, but apparently Saif plagarized his Ph.D. thesis: http://gawker.com/#!5776064/internet-sleuths-prove-qaddafis-son-plagiarized-his-phd-thesis
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Drugs!quote:Libyan TV is showing pictures of what they are calling "hallucinogenic" drugs discovered and seized in the last two days, BBC Monitoring reports. They interviewed a depot worker who explained how four trucks loaded with pills had been labelled as transporting building materials and cosmetics. The white packs of pills wrapped in plastic had name such as "Cobradol", "Foxdol" and "Tanol-X". Libyan TV reported on Thursday that 37 million pills were seized at the port of al-Khums. A studio commentator said: "This was only 10% of what has been smuggled." Cobradol and Foxdol, from the same company that brough to you Evildol and Terrordol. "Tanol-X" is probably "Tamol-X 200", according to this site: quote:200 mg Tamol-X is listed as containing the active ingredient Acetaminophen, a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory used to treat pain and swelling. Common side effects may include: nausea, drowsiness, headache and stomach irritation. Read more Although it might contain other stuff. You can buy it from this site. I'm trying to find out what it actually is, gonna do a bit of research.
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paracetamol, pretty sure it's as simple as that.
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Well Tanol-X doesn't seem to exist, neither do Foxdol or Cobradol. Pretty sure Libyan authorities are pretending mild pain killers are powerful drugs, classy. In other classy news: quote:Libyan authorities have blocked foreign journalists from leaving their hotel in Tripoli to report on expected protests, Reuters reports:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXxL-MtYEk From right after Brega was bombed.
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Xandu posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAXxL-MtYEk Remember how historically, people lost their taste in representational art of human figures for a while, after the photos of the twisted bodies in the holocaust left a really terrifying impression on everyone. I am kind of hoping in the wake of the images coming out from all this, something like that happens with military-style shooter games in the near future. Or at least for ones that take place in the Arab world. Oh yeah, being bombed by jet fighters from your own country and shot on by your own troops is a real thrill.
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More on Tripoli:quote:Gaddafi loyalists have set up checkpoints in Tripoli ahead of planned anti-government protests after Friday prayers, the Associated Press reports. With journalists also being prevented from leaving their hotel, it all points to a very oppressive atmosphere in the capital. From AP:
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Updates about military activity:quote:One of Al Jazeera's producers in Libya, Tristan Redman, just tweeted this: quote:Hannah Allam of McClatchy Newspapers tweets: "Just spoke to @nancyayoussef in #libya. sources say Gadhafi forces launched ground offensive on w side of Zawiya now. gunfire in bkrgrd" More news on the Dutch hostages: quote:BBC Monitoring reports that three Dutch marines captured by Libyan forces while trying to rescue a Dutch national and another European have been shown on Libyan state television. The video report showed the Dutch crew and footage of their helicopter.
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More on Egypt from the Guardian:quote:An update from Tahrir Square where a demonstration is taking place but could it be the last?
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The Dutch soldiers are being paraded about on State TV:quote:The Dutch marine helicopter crew, captured on Sunday while trying to evacuate two European nationals from Sirte, a Gaddafi stronghold, have been paraded on Libyan state TV, Radio Netherlands Worldwide reports. Libyan state TV also showed pictures of the helicopter and accused the three captured men of being "in violation of international law" More reports of military action: quote:Battles are raging between Gaddafi's forces and and rebels in the eastern oil port of Ras Lanuf, 660 km east (410 miles) of Tripoli, according to al-Jazeera.
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Fighting in Misurata after the people rejected a $6000 bribe each:quote:Fierce battles are raging in Misurata from about an hour ago, mainly in the south of the city.
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Gaddafi's forces are also stopping refugees from fleeing:quote:The Guardian's Harriet Sherwood is at the Tunisia-Libya border, where there has been an "abrupt drop" in the number of people crossing into Tunisia. I'm also reading that the attack on Zawiyah is very heavy, lots of mercenaries, soldiers, and air attacks.
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Brown Moses posted:The Dutch soldiers are being paraded about on State TV: You broke international law and we'll prove it by breaking more international laws?
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Brown Moses posted:The Dutch soldiers are being paraded about on State TV:
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For all the attempts of the regime to convince journalists that's everything is normal, locking them in their hotel and cutting off all outside access probably isn't the best way to convince them everything is okay.
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Bits from Twitter Source from the ground: fighting mostly in the west of Zawiya now, they were able to stop the troops coming in from the south 4 foreign fighters at brega check point. 3 egyptians, 1 jordanian. Come to 'support' almost cinematic cacophony of sounds in rainy Ajdabiya - rolling thunder, the call to prayer and the deep thud of distant explosions Still not much news out of Tripoli. Think the populace may be too terrified Friday prayers in Benghazi calls on the people of Sirte to rise up against the Tyrant (hometown and support town of gaddafi) if revolutionaries take over Ras lanuf today, this means Sirt, Qadfi's home town will be the next target 4 them viva #libya viva libya Saif #Gaddafi asked for the press to come to #Tripoli, then he locked them in a Hotel when it mattered. this is ridiculous behavior AJ & others say serious fighting in #Ras Lanuf - seems 'Free Libya'/'Youth' have taken initiative; biggest oil terminal in #Libya - v imptt Also more from Egypt: quote:In a historic moment, Egypt's new prime minister Essam Sharaf has been addressing protesters in Tahrir Square. In a short speech, he told them he would do all he can "to realise their demands":
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Bit more from Egypt:quote:The new Egyptian prime minister was carried to and from the stage on the shoulders of people in Tahrir Square. Perhaps even more remarkable than the scenes of Sharaf addressing the demonstration was the fact that he was flanked by Muslim Brotherhood leaders, including Khairat el Shater, the deputy chairman of the group that was until recently banned in Egypt. Shater was only released from prison yesterday, on the authorisation of the supreme council of armed forces, after serving four years of a seven year sentence. He was freed on medical grounds.
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So it's now a slow and steady grind in Libya, huh.
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Haven't seen this posted yet:quote:Yemen rebels say army fired rockets on protesters: So I guess another government had adopted the Kadaffi "go out in a blaze of fire" tactic.
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There were also reports that the demonstration in Yemen today were the biggest yet. Various updates: Tripoli quote:Several hundred people are staging an anti-government demonstration in Tajura, which is on the outskirsts of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, Reuters reports, citing a witness. quote:More than a 1,000 protesters are streaming out of the Murad Agha mosque in Tajura, Tripoli, chanting "the people want to bring the regime down" reports the Associated Press. quote:A reporter in Tajoura says that the suburb is surrounded by security forces, but so far they have not moved against the protestors. The reporter says the protest is peaceful, but people are very angry. One person said that some activists were "kidnapped" yesterday. quote:The BBC's Wyre Davis in Tajoura says that despite considerable pressure to stop people reaching the district, hundreds of protesters have poured onto the streets. He says this suburb is key to the success or failure of the uprising. It has already been the scene of many anti-government rallies. quote:BBC Arabic's Feras Kellani from Tajoura reports that security forces are using tear gas to disperse protesters. quote:Peter Beaumont in Tripoli reports that "dozens and dozens" of police cars flooded the capital after Friday prayers in an attempt to head off hundreds of demonstrators. Journalists were forced away from the scene, he says, and at least one man who spoke to journalists was seen being taken away by police. Military action quote:Clashes have been taking place on the outskirts of the strategically important oil port of Ras Lanuf, which was held by rebels until Sunday, reports Reuters:
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From Twitter Ras Nalouf About 7000 protesters out in Ras Nalouf.. Head of kateeb has defected as #Gaddafi air forces watch over city via AJ BREAKING: Between 6000 and 7000 revolutionaries headed towards Ras Lanuf Confirmed Aljazeera: fighting within factions of #gaddafi militia in Ras Naluf &comander leaves his post. Defections in the main battalion in Ras Lanuf! BREAKING: A split reported in the Ras lanuf pro gaddafi brigade, last town before Sirte, when confirmed is major developmen Zawiyah Reports now of 50 dead in Al Zawia after pro- #Gaddafi forces attack.... Revolutionaries kill 12 Pro-Gaddafi soldiers in Az Zawiya Tripoli @FreeBenghazi: PLS RT!! Mo of #LIbyaAlHurraTV confirms all of #Tripoli is out!!! Calls 4every1 2connect friends &family 2 tell them to head out. Confirmed: Tajoora district of #Tripoli now out in protests after Friday prayers BREAKING: Police using violence to scatter protesters in Tripoli - protests gaining momentum in Tajoura though there is a heavy presence of tanks. There are also other protests in across the city namely in Mezran
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Ras Nalouf is VERY interesting at the moment, it seems like Gaddafi's forces have split into two groups who are fighting each other now. That's really incredibly bad for Gaddafi.
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More from Twitter Ras Nalouf AlJazeera: Battalions are fighting within each other in Ras Lanuf #Libya - Which is West Brega Unconfirmed: split reported in the Ras lanuf pro gaddafi brigade, last town before Sirte. Zawiyah Al Jazeera: Eye witness in Zawiya (50km/30miles west of Tripoli): Gaddafi Security Battalions using live fire & RPG's. Reports of Clashes as Pro Gaddafi militia tried2advance onto Zawia,they are being held back, clashes on going Tripoli CONFIRMED: Live ammunition being used on civilians leaving the Friday prayers in Souq Aljumaa Reports of #Libya anti-govt protesters now in Tajoura, outside Tripoli. Army opened fire on last Tajoura protest. BREAKING: 100s So far protesting in Tripol after Friday prayers, this protest should snow ball, pro gaddafi trying to disperse them The fight for #Libya has reached #Tripoli's Green Square. Protesters clashing w/ gov't forces. Time keeps on slipping away for #Gaddafi Journalist were kept indoors bc "their presence could trigger violence from affiliates of Qaeda" ...Tramadol anyone? Calls: 'tense' atmosphere Zawadahmany, Benshur, and 1 neighbourhood on Tripoli's West side Misrata Reports from city of #Misrata #Libya nothing can come in or out of area, forces block city General AJArabic Live TV caller says: #Gaddafi forces are withdrawing across #Libya because most of their soliders are joining... Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Mar 4, 2011 |
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More from the Guardian on Ras Lanuf:quote:
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More news about Zawiyah:quote:The Associated Press has details of fighting in Zawiyah, near Tripoli, and Misurata, a Mediterranean port city. A resident in Zawiyah said that a large force from a brigade led by one of Gaddafi's sons led a new attack on the city – the closest opposition-held conurbation to Tripoli – this morning.
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