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Narmi posted:We have some CF-18s, and they were used in the 90s, but I'm not sure how they're doing now. There was a plan by the Conservatives to buy some new F-35s, but that's most likely going to fall through since it'll cost about $35 billion to purchase and maintain, which is significantly more than we were initially told they would cost. Also, I just looked it up and apparently the F-35s isn't suited for patrolling the Arctic, which is a pretty big issue in Canadian Sovereignty in the north. Didn't Bush try to claim the northwest passage from you guys? I forget how all that ended.
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I think they might have been kamikaze missions. Repost for this page quote:BREAKING from Almanara Media The huge fire that has erupted inside Baab Al Aziziyah was due to a martyr mission using a fighter jet to crash into the compound
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I heard an amusing story the other day. The "SAS" unit captured a couple weeks back was actually SBS and they never got off the ship they were returning on. The same person who told me this story also claimed the SBS is a bunch of officially sanctioned Colonel Kurtz's. I think what we can take away from this is that people need some proper 80's action movies otherwise their brains start breaking down.
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Patter Song posted:That's really impressive. They flew from Benghazi to Tripoli (and back?) without getting shot down and successfully struck the highest-value enemy target. Mashallah, Free Libyan Air Force. They didn't fly back apparently. e: Yaos posted:I'd go with one of these rather than desperation strikes. If they were desperate they would be attacking the horde of enemies heading to the capital and not Tripoli, unless they are stupid and think they are going to kill Gadaffi this way. Or maybe there are a few rebels close to Gadaffi and they are waiting for Gadaffi to try and make his escape before capturing/killing him. There are a few air bases in the East under rebel control. I remember hearing that in at least one the pilots defected early on. Wiki posted:Military airforce bases include: Tobruk and Al Bayda are in the east, close to the Egyptian border. Narmi fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ?quote:West to lose contracts, but not Germany: Gaddafi source e: forgot link to article Narmi fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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Narmi posted:So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ? Think of the oil imports!!!
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# ? Mar 15, 2011 20:03 |
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BBC interviewed some Gaddafi supporters:quote:The media campaign being run by state television is gradually winning over the poorly educated.
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Narmi posted:So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ? If this gets into the news cycle, I'd imagine this'll shoot the German government's public approval ratings in the foot. Being namedropped alongside Russia and China isn't all that good for a government in a country with as many scars from authoritarian regimes as Germany.
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Brown Moses posted:I think they might have been kamikaze missions. I WANT TO BELIEVE. (Though, seriously, this does not reek of well-planned military action, guys)
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Monkeytime posted:Twitter is going crazy with reports of the military massacring protesters in Bahrain. Some very nsfw video, one from the street and one from a hospital: I really thought the internet had numbed me to just about everything over the decades, but I kinda wish I hadn't watched that. Edit: why even bother bringing someone in that condition into a hospital bed?
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# ? Mar 15, 2011 20:15 |
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Dr. Habibi posted:I WANT TO BELIEVE. Well it might not have been the original plan. It may have been a case of someone getting hit, realising they can't land/get back safely, and deciding to make the most of it.
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Narmi posted:So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ?
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# ? Mar 15, 2011 20:34 |
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Staggy posted:Well it might not have been the original plan. It may have been a case of someone getting hit, realising they can't land/get back safely, and deciding to make the most of it. Good point, and I really hope you're right -- just the reports of it being a "martyr mission" that made me think it probably wasn't planned out very well.
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Mr.Pibbleton posted:Didn't Bush try to claim the northwest passage from you guys? I forget how all that ended. Don't know what the US is up to now, but we've been sending troops up North to do drills/exercises for a while and assert sovereignty. On one of them some guys got lost so it might not be going as well as we'd hoped. Dr. Habibi posted:Good point, and I really hope you're right -- just the reports of it being a "martyr mission" that made me think it probably wasn't planned out very well. Pretty much everything that's been happening has people being martyrs if they're killed by Gaddafi. The cameraman who died recently was a martyr for the revolution, so I wouldn't read to much into it being called a "martyr mission". e: I mean, he obviously knew it was a kamikaze attack, but I doubt (hope) he didn't plan on dying or was ordered to do a suicide run. If Libyans start using suicide bombers that'll play into the "they're a bunch of extremists" fears. Narmi fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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Didn't some high-ranked officers defected a while ago? Because tactical retreating and then bombing supply lines is exactly the sort of things you'd expect experienced generals to execute and not desperate rebels.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:This seems awfully out of left-field. I wonder whats going on? Do we even know what aircraft these FLAF "Fighter Jets" are? Some of the MiG-23s the Rebels captured early on? Defected Su-22s or Mirages? Probably not the Mirages since Gaddafi forces only had one or two left. Not that the scenario would be very plausible in this context, but von Rosen and his voluntary airforce is an amazing read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustaf_von_Rosen
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# ? Mar 15, 2011 21:27 |
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I have a feeling someone might read this thread in the archives years from now, see the slow change from "Qaddafi's finished!" to, "Ghaddafi's finished...right?" to "Khaddafi's only putting off the inevitable!" to "CQ might make some gains, but it's over in the long run" to "the bastard might retake Western Libya, but he can't retake the East!" to "would someone please help these poor people slaughtered by this rear end in a top hat?" and just go .
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# ? Mar 15, 2011 21:37 |
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Narmi posted:So I guess this is why Germany is so against a NFZ? once you go axis you never go back
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Patter Song posted:I have a feeling someone might read this thread in the archives years from now, see the slow change from "Qaddafi's finished!" to, "Ghaddafi's finished...right?" to "Khaddafi's only putting off the inevitable!" to "CQ might make some gains, but it's over in the long run" to "the bastard might retake Western Libya, but he can't retake the East!" to "would someone please help these poor people slaughtered by this rear end in a top hat?" and just go . To be honest, my hope was that the rebels could move swiftly enough and be able to do this without a clear need for outside intervention of any kind, because they weren't ever going to get it if they needed it, and now they're in that exact position, and we're witnessing a slow slaughter.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:Two thoughts: Pretty much everyone in this thread has been discounting Ghaddafis forces if anything.
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davebo posted:Edit: why even bother bringing someone in that condition into a hospital bed? If he's still breathing, he deserves a bed until it stops in my opinion. Here's a video that shows the effects of the nerve gas used in Bahrain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIJIPEdsDCo Burn in hell, Bahraini royal family. drat you for making that doctor cry. And to make it extra classy, Bahraini forces attacked a hospital in Sitra and actually tear-gassed the inside of it: quote:(Manama, Bahrain, March 15, 2011) - Faraz Sanei, Bahrain researcher http://www.hrw.org/live-updates Attacking a hospital? Beating doctors and paramedics? It seems it's part of the Arab Dictator playbook as well. From Morocco (and I love that the source is called The Marxist ): quote:Morocco: Constitutional reform will not save regime http://www.marxist.com/morocco-constitutional-reform-will-not-save-regime.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Morocco had protests on Feb. 20 and most likely will have them again. This article is pretty long and ends with a call for further protest. Who knows if it will happen? We may be getting news out of Syria all-of-a-sudden-like because Syria has lifted their ban on Facebook and Youtube: quote:BEIRUT (AP) http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/02/08/136844.html So, things may have been happening all along and we haven't been hearing about it because Facebook and Youtube were supressed in Syria. Word on the streets is that Gbagbo in Ivory Coast doesn't have the military support everyone assumed he did: quote:'Promising signs' in Ivory Coast? http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2011/03/15/Promising-signs-in-Ivory-Coast/UPI-57641300210601/ "On the verge" LOL. Seems to me that they are there, and have been for weeks. A well-written article that explains the details of the political situation in Ivory Coast. It's fairly long so I'm only giving you a snippet here: quote:Gunmen slowly closing net on Ivory Coast strongman http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10712658&ref=rss So it looks more like the rebels are going to win in Ivory Coast. However, most of the citizens have left the areas that are under fire, and who knows if they'll ever be able to make their way back. However, I think that we'll still be paying top dollar for our cocoa, since supply has nothing to do with price anyway.
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Chade Johnson posted:Pretty much everyone in this thread has been discounting Ghaddafis forces if anything. Yeah this has been my impression of them as well, but then I forgot the rebels don't actually have heavy weapons.
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Chade Johnson posted:Pretty much everyone in this thread has been discounting Ghaddafis forces if anything. Yeah. I think Qaddafi has this in the bag now. The rebels are sadly finished, just a matter of time. So do you guys think CQ will do some meaningful political reforms once he gets this situation under control?
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I've said this elsewhere, but I might as well say it again here: gently caress the Saudis. What they're doing in their own country has been pretty blatantly "evil" for decades, but exporting that to Bahrain... Oil or no oil, I won't shed a tear the day the House of Saud is judged and found wanting.
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Attack on protesters in Gaza.Reuters posted:GAZA (Reuters) - Hamas supporters stormed a crowd of protestors in the Gaza Strip who had gathered on Tuesday to demand Palestinian unity, witnesses said.
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Gaddafi is preparing to enter Benghazi. Live right now on AJE.
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iceaim posted:So do you guys think CQ will do some meaningful political reforms once he gets this situation under control? Most likely he'll reform the bodies of his political opponents and their families. I'm expecting to see a flood of refugees before this is over.
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iceaim posted:Yeah. I think Qaddafi has this in the bag now. The rebels are sadly finished, just a matter of time. Nope, he's going to murder every single person who opposed him. I repeat, Gaddafi is about to put down the uprising within hours. Nonsense fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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My best friend and his girlfriend are going to Marrakech from 1-7 April. I am worried, should I be?
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So all the news pretty much sucks today? drat. What are the chances of Egypt getting their government together and lending military support to the revolutions. Someone has to do it or the spread of democracy has pretty much reached an end game of being suppressed by force.
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stgdz posted:once you go axis you never go back It is just politics. I've always seen nationalities as entities whose rules of behavior are different what the people may conceive. Back in 1939, the western world gave their overwhelming sympathies to certain country bordering Soviet Union, being under attack from SU, while hopes and pleads for help faded the further the conflict progressed. Well, at least the League of Nations expelled SU! But today, things are different... no, wait! The latter sounds awfully familiar... It's just politics. It's a tragedy and I feel very sorry for Libyan people, but at the moment, they are on their own. I don't believe in any kind of military intervention by West.
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Light-headed Fool posted:I don't believe in any kind of military intervention by West. It was never going to happen anyways. Only Newt Gingrich would have smashed Gaddafi on day one, or at least boast that he would.
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Light-headed Fool posted:It's just politics. It's a tragedy and I feel very sorry for Libyan people, but at the moment, they are on their own. I don't believe in any kind of military intervention by West. You'd rather Gaddafi builds North Korea 2 than Western intervention ? If so you might actually be evil.
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Nuclear Spoon posted:My best friend and his girlfriend are going to Marrakech from 1-7 April. I am worried, should I be? No it'll be fine. Obviously they should keep on the news just in case but at the moment there isn't anything to worry about.
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Namarrgon posted:You'd rather Gaddafi builds North Korea 2 than Western intervention ? I think he meant "I don't believe in the possibility of any kind of military intervention by the West". Are you trolling or do you have *that much trouble* interpreting what people write when they're not first language speakers?
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Namarrgon posted:You'd rather Gaddafi builds North Korea 2 than Western intervention ? No, it is not what I want, and in the big picture it doesn't matter what I want. It is what the nations decide, and their decisions are governed by realpolitik, not any kind of idealism. That's just the cruel fact.
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I was wrong.redreader posted:I think he meant "I don't believe in the possibility of any kind of military intervention by the West". That kind of falls apart realizing I'm not a native English speaker either. Namarrgon fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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Few bits of news:quote:Tony Birtley, Al Jazeera's correspondent, reporting from Benghazi, says: quote:BREAKING from Al Jazeera Arabic The revolutionaries in Ajdabiya have captured 7 tanks in very good condition and have handed them over to the defected 36th battalion. quote:Al Manara Media reports that 6 cars filled with troops from the Khamis battalion have surrendered themselves to the revolutionaries in Tobruk quote:Update: A trusted source has confirmed to us this story: The pilot who flew his plane into Baab Al Aziziyah took off as part of a 2 plane team with the mission of bombing strategic points in Al Guradibya base in Sirte. Their orders were to return immedietly after completing the mission. One pilot followed orders while the other flew to Tripoli where he emptied what he had left of ammunition on Baab Al Aziziyah and then crashed his plane into it
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Confusing news coming out of Libya, I have to say. Rebels claim a decisive victory in Ajdabiya, Gaddafi troops surrendered, equipment seized, but might be an exaggeration. Some Gaddafi troops were apparently also captured in Tubruk, no idea what they were doing all the way to the east. The plane that crashed in Tripoli was one of (the?) two rebel planes ordered to bomb Sirt and return, but one pilot defied orders and suicided in Tripoli instead. So plane lost, not much accomplished I am afraid since Gaddafi is still alive. Meanwhile there is fighting in Benghazi where remaining Gaddafi supporters took up arms, emboldened by the approach of his army. Edit: Also Gaddafi is holding another speech, but who cares, it's the same things he said before all over again. neamp fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Mar 15, 2011 |
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I wonder if the aerial assault on Tripoli will have a massive effect on the morale* of pro-Gaddafi troops. *assuming non-forced truly loyal troops exist.
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