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Air strikes will supposedly only start after the emergency summit in Paris tomorrow to coordinate action.
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pylb posted:France said they didn't want a NATO intervention. Reliable proof, nothing, the Pro-Gaffadi forces were initiating a mass bombardment of one of the cities (a completely indiscriminate bombardment no less) at the exact same time the supposed 'cease-fire' was called. Obviously, calling for a cease-fire was just a terrible stalling tactic that didn't work. I think the loyalists know just how screwed they are, but are desperately looking for a way out.
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Xandu posted:Air strikes will supposedly only start after the emergency summit in Paris tomorrow to coordinate action. This calls for immediate discussion! edit: gently caress it. I am giving into my desire to watch Life of Brian for the 'ntieth time tonight. Perhaps by tomorrow this will all move on past sabre rattling. Cartouche fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 00:16
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pylb posted:France said they didn't want a NATO intervention. Yeah, I know. I was just emphasizing that NATO is pretty much out of the picture during these critical moments. I don't agree with all the bashing of the rebel forces quality above, but I don't think they can hold out much longer. Gadaffi is most likely trying to end this quickly, and he is in a good position to do it. pylb posted:We have reports of pro-Kadhafi troops bombing cities, but we also have declarations from Kadhafi's goverment declaring a cease-fire. The West can't afford to attack Kadhafi's forces if they have indeed stopped their attack (and if they haven't, we need reliable proof to be legally covered). I'm not a military expert, but in my understanding the NFZ easily sanctions operations in Libyan air space, and coalition forces shouldn't have too much trouble getting those air defenses out of the way necessary to get there for some intel. I'm not saying all information spread by the rebel side is correct, but imho they are trustworthy enough to take a look. Narmi posted:They're probably just ironing out the fine details, or waiting for confirmation from their won sources (maybe the AWACS?) that Gaddafi is actually attacking civilians. I wish you are right, but with all the sources available to us and peoples willingness to blow up even the tiniest indication, it seems unlikely anything will go completely unnoticed. Planes have to take off somewhere, and right now except for some VIP transports nothing unusual seems to be happening.
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Mar 19, 2011 00:21
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Thunderstorm posted:I'm not a military expert, but in my understanding the NFZ easily sanctions operations in Libyan air space, and coalition forces shouldn't have too much trouble getting those air defenses out of the way necessary to get there for some intel. I'm pretty sure there's been various intelligence gathering overflights of Libya already, even before the UN resolution. That kind of stuff goes on unsaid.
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Mar 19, 2011 01:41
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Ogive posted:Dammit, this empties out the hope and Just in from http://twitter.com/fmcnl: quote:
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Mar 19, 2011 02:14
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Imagine if Canada saves the day........????
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Mar 19, 2011 02:26
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killing_fields posted:Imagine if Canada saves the day........???? Their one sub pops up out of nowhere, right in front of Tripoli. Slowly, a mighty red maple leaf expands over the bow.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:28
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killing_fields posted:Imagine if Canada saves the day........???? Sarkozy would be super pissed at Canada for stealing his thunder.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:30
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killing_fields posted:Their one sub pops up out of nowhere, right in front of Tripoli. Slowly, a mighty red maple leaf expands over the bow. They open the hatch to let the deadly smoke out while a Hornet falls apart and crashes on it would be the most likely scenario.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:31
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US isn't going to lead the attacks, so is France AF up to the task? Britain seems to be, but I haven't seen anything offensive out of France, Canada, or the Dutch in quite a bit. I'm just wondering if they can actually be effective to stop this crap.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:32
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Darth123123 posted:US isn't going to lead the attacks, so is France AF up to the task? Britain seems to be, but I haven't seen anything offensive out of France, Canada, or the Dutch in quite a bit. I'm just wondering if they can actually be effective to stop this crap. France has the Rafale, which is a very nice aircraft. They're also the fourth-largest air force in NATO.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:34
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Darth123123 posted:US isn't going to lead the attacks, so is France AF up to the task? Britain seems to be, but I haven't seen anything offensive out of France, Canada, or the Dutch in quite a bit. I'm just wondering if they can actually be effective to stop this crap. Is there an update on said crap? Shelling still happening? Everyone staring at each other, wondering what the next move is?
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Mar 19, 2011 02:35
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Darth123123 posted:US isn't going to lead the attacks, so is France AF up to the task? Britain seems to be, but I haven't seen anything offensive out of France, Canada, or the Dutch in quite a bit. I'm just wondering if they can actually be effective to stop this crap. Despite all the "lol surrender" jokes France's military is no slouch. I wonder if the problem right now is setting up a unified command structure with the nations who are looking to get in on this. As much as I'd rather someone else take the helm on this I can't help but think the US could have been pushing Khadaffi's poo poo in by now.
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Mar 19, 2011 02:40
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IRQ posted:Despite all the "lol surrender" jokes France's military is no slouch. Because you know the US is great at invading middle eastern countries to depose their governments, right? I think Gaddafi isn't crazy enough that it'll take foreign military intervention to bring him down, and hopefully he'll back down with the guns of so many nations trained on him. But everybody has seen how crazy Gaddafi can get, so who knows.
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Mar 19, 2011 03:03
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Directory of videos from this weeks protests in Syria. http://www.kafasamtan.org/news/
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AJE just did a piece on unrest in Syria. I suppose I know the answer before I ask, but is it possible Syria could flip? UN threatening an arrest warrant on Ghadaffi. GO GO GO! EDIT: And France threatening armed action within hours! I must be dreaming. Ogive fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 03:32
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Oh poo poo, I'm supposed to deploy soon. I'm worried about going... oh well.
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Mar 19, 2011 03:48
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As far as media reliability goes, here's a good one: Note where the headline is about and then note the flag in the background. Thanks, CBC! Ogive fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 04:00
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Blackbird Fly posted:Because you know the US is great at invading middle eastern countries to depose their governments, right? I think Gaddafi isn't crazy enough that it'll take foreign military intervention to bring him down, and hopefully he'll back down with the guns of so many nations trained on him. But everybody has seen how crazy Gaddafi can get, so who knows. Actually, the US seems to be fantastic in invading countries to topple governments. As far as what happens afterwards....not so much. As far as a unified command structure, the Afghanistan war has been good at forging that. But my ideal situation is that the US doesn't really do anything except maybe supply and reconaissance, and everyone else (primarily Arab countries) take the lead. And of course, that the threat of international action ends up siphoning enough support from Ghaddafi to topple him. I can only hope.
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tetsul posted:They open the hatch to let the deadly smoke out while a Hornet falls apart and crashes on it would be the most likely scenario. At least we now have leased C17s so we don't have to literally mooch a ride off the Americans to fulfill our NATO and UN obligations. I'm a huge leftist but even I'm ashamed at how poorly equipped our military is 
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We also rent tanks from Germany; It's like "Do you guys have an Army?" "No, but we've got friends with armies!"
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Mar 19, 2011 05:18
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Aw man, that's a shame that they demolished the monument in Pearl Roundabout. I've seen all these pictures of it, but I hadn't even had a chance to see it while I'm here in Bahrain. That's so dumb. Why would they tear down the whole roundabout, just because some protesters were there for a few weeks? Do they think that destroying the monument will just wipe the event from everybody's memory? What the heck. And the cover story of "Oh, it's to improve the flow of traffic." Yeah, now's the perfect time for redesigning intersections. Nothing else to worry about at all.
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Blackbird Fly posted:Because you know the US is great at invading middle eastern countries to depose their governments, right? I think Gaddafi isn't crazy enough that it'll take foreign military intervention to bring him down, and hopefully he'll back down with the guns of so many nations trained on him. But everybody has seen how crazy Gaddafi can get, so who knows. Oh we're awesome at bombing the everloving poo poo out of things unilaterally, it's the nation building we suck at!
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Mar 19, 2011 06:35
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Voting on the amendments started an hour ago. #Dostor2011 hashtag.
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Mar 19, 2011 07:49
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Are you planning to vote yes? Looks to be a very close vote.
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Mar 19, 2011 07:58
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Xandu posted:Are you planning to vote yes? Looks to be a very close vote. Voting No of course. EDIT: This vote is the first real show of strengths between islamists and liberals if you're willing to generalize, pretty much everyone falls into either of these camps with some exceptions (such as the NDP siding with the MB and Islamists and supporting "yes" Ham fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 08:02
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BBC reporting a plane has just been shot down near Benghazi. A BBC reporter saw it with his own eyes. Odds are then the no fly zone is starting to be enforced.
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I'm listening to this feed http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb supposedly live out of Benghazi with a guy helping direct fire. No video, but there is constant crazy amounts of gunfire. Edit: Just completely cut out as I posted this. 
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XK posted:I'm listening to this feed http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb supposedly live out of Benghazi with a guy helping direct fire. No video, but there is constant crazy amounts of gunfire. It seems to be up, although now it is a pretty cool guy walking around Benghazi showing some of the damage. It always surprises me that the rest of the world looks just like where I live, in the U.K. The B.B.C. never shows that. This stream is worth keeping an eye on.
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It looks like things are going crazy in Benghazi at the moment. The images of the plane going down and the fighting as Ghaddafi's forces try and rush the city are spectacular.
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Mar 19, 2011 09:25
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 Photo of the plane shot down.
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Mar 19, 2011 09:33
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What kind of plane is that? It's Gaddafi's, right?
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From the March 19 AJ Live Blog:Gaddafi posted:"This is blatant colonialism. It does not have any justification. This will have serious consequences on the Mediterranean and on Europe." He so crazy.  Part of me really wants to splice together the highlights from his video rantings to make one giant clip of insanity.
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That plane is remarkably in tact for being shot down. Are we sure it didn't just burst into flame from being 40 years old and ridiculously ill-maintained?
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Mar 19, 2011 09:38
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What's taking everyone so long? edit: Mig 23?
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Mar 19, 2011 09:39
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Finlander posted:What kind of plane is that? It's Gaddafi's, right? BBC journalist that saw it crashed says that when the plane crashed there were celebratory gunshots, so he assumes it is one of Gaddafi's but there is no official word yet.
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Just woke up and turned on sky news, that video of the plane being shot down will be iconic. I love that you can hear the cheers and the car horns.
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Mar 19, 2011 09:42
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Finlander posted:What kind of plane is that? It's Gaddafi's, right? Yes.
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I think it's either a Mig 23 or a SU 22. There's actual video of it being hit and going down. AJE thinks it was taken out by ground fire, which seems likely.
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