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Jut posted:Is there really any need to be taking out air defense and bases? Is CQ still using them? if not is it really risking collateral damage? Destroying runways is a proven technique to achieve air superiority in a VERY short time (see: Six Day War)
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Sky News reports the RAF and the French are alone in the skies above Libya at the moment, with no direct american involvement (except Tomahawks). Cites Italy as supplying bases, Norway and Denmark standing by. There are discussions about the Arab contribution - Sky claims they have the capacity, but may be lacking the will to engage at an early state.
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Fox News is not yet sure whether Obama is doing too much or isn't doing enough.
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NotWearingPants posted:Fox News is not yet sure whether Obama is doing too much or isn't doing enough. Fox news: Rush to war prevented us from solidifying our narrative.
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Yeah, there'll need to be a period of air superiority before we declare air supremacy, but that's not unexpected. Air force tactics teams have spent decades working out how to break anti-air defences.
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Smug Guy posted:They have surface to air missiles with early detection radar capabilities. Still think SLAMMERS would have been a better choice. Those things light up like Christmas trees when they turn on their search-radar. Basically magnets for radar-seeking missiles. EDIT: Sorry, that was supposed to be HARMs. SLAMMERS are the air-to-air cuties. Stroh M.D. fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Stroh M.D. posted:There are discussions about the Arab contribution - Sky claims they have the capacity, but may be lacking the will to engage at an early state. I never expected them to do much in this stage, but do expect them to spearhead the clean-up and support operations so they can leave a big smiling face on things so that they don't have to be accused of doing damage to people in their own region. Them just supporting the operation was a big step, and a good one, in my opinion.
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From Twitter:quote:CONFIRMED: Gaddafi forces getting away as fast as they can outside #Misrata. WHOOO!
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Brown Moses posted:From Twitter: If true I hope there's a packet available to blow this poo poo out of them on the road.
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NotWearingPants posted:Fox News is not yet sure whether Obama is doing too much or isn't doing enough.  within a day the official line will be 'he's doing too not enough much'. Who says it has to make sense, we're fair and balanced! or maybe the cognitive dissonance will finally tear them apart and it'll be like that Will Ferrell SNL skit when the morning show loses it's teleprompter. acejackson42 fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 21:20
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acejackson42 posted:well, that'll happen when you put your ultra-high super radar missle station on top of a school like any lunatic dictator worth his salt. You aren't at the elite level unless you herd as many people into that school as possible, though, and keep them packed in there nice and tight until. It was being reported two days ago that CG was piling the corpses of civilians his forces had killed into likely targets in anticipation of UN intervention.
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Does anyone else think it's a little funny that the US and Al Qaeda are kinda sorta fighting on the same team? It's like when GI JOE and COBRA team up to fight drug runners.
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farraday posted:If true I hope there's a packet available to blow this poo poo out of them on the road. I hope they run out into the desert and their tanks and trucks run out of gas. Also, it's going to suck being a mercenary trying to get out of the country. All flights out of the country are either blown up or suspended, ships are being interdicted by rebels, and there's nothing but desert for hundreds of miles to the south.
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Mar 19, 2011 21:23
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Pentagon statement live on AJE right now.
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acejackson42 posted:
I expect someone on Fox to attack Obama for letting France attack first.
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110 Tomahawks fired from US and UK ships at 20 air defence targets in Libya, mostly on or near the coast.
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Xandu posted:I expect someone on Fox to attack Obama for letting France attack first. This will happen. Pentagon stressing coalition heavily.
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Jamsque posted:Pentagon statement live on AJE right now. I'm watching on CNN as well. "Just the first phase of a multi-phase operation"
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Can we discuss this without more statements like "I HOPE THEY GET DONE BLOWN UP!" and "I HOPE THEY DRIVE INTO THE DESERT AND SCORPIONS PEIRCE THEIR EYES FOR ETERNITY gently caress YESSSS DEATH!" Or is that asking too much? These people may be in the wrong, but cheering for war and death isn't really necessary.
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BIG HORNY COW posted:Does anyone else think it's a little funny that the US and Al Qaeda are kinda sorta fighting on the same team? Are you talking about the fictional US-Israel-Iran-Al Queda plot to give Libyans riot pills, or has one of the Al-Queda affiliates in North Africa shown support the revolution? Because it turned out that a bunch of those affiliates are drug dealers looking for a tough reputation.
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Young Freud posted:I hope they run out into the desert and their tanks and trucks run out of gas. That's why you really, really shouldn't consider "mercenary" a good career-choice (unless you're corporation happens to be named Blackwater, and you're working for the US gvt, then you're pretty much set) Mercenaries aren't even covered by the Geneva convention. You can do with them as you will. Target practice for hot-headed pilots with more ammo than empathy? Geneva approves!
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Confirmation: Both US and British submarines involved in cruise missile strike.Smug Guy posted:Can we discuss this without more statements like The troops pulling back from Misrata have been involved with shelling a city for several days now at the very least. gently caress them. If they want to live, leave the weapons behind.
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Mar 19, 2011 21:27
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Currently this has the odd flavour of EU + Commonwealth + US coalition. Anyone know when the Arab league is expected to contribute? It all just seems a bit too friendly...
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schadenfraud posted:It was being reported two days ago that CG was piling the corpses of civilians his forces had killed into likely targets in anticipation of UN intervention. Gadaffi still has to explain why he had a whole bunch of civilians just chilling in his military installation. Technically it's his responsibility to keep civilians away from military targets and any that do get killed pretty much just gunna add to his long list of war crimes. Paradoxus fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Anybody hearing this gun nerd talking about "the new tomahawks"?
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First question is from the AP about the strikes, wanting to know more detail about US involvement. Pentagon says US ships and subs plus one UK sub, 112 Tomahawks fired at SAM sites, early warning sites and comms sites. The strikes were a mix of new and old Tomahawks. The aim of the strikes was to allow manned aircraft to safely enter Libyan airspace.
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110 seems like a shitload, but I don't know much about cruise missiles.
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Smug Guy posted:It's possible that stealth aircraft may not be susceptible to these defenses, but the command and control and support aircraft that support them would be, at a minimum. Most of his AA capabilities are cannons of various sorts, and if you see it you can shoot it. They are also occasionally lucky when a bunch of them open up on the same general area without seeing the target. F-22's are going to be loitering well above and away from the hottest of the action, and if they are used at all it will be in a purely air to air, defensive posture, most likely guarding the AWACS and other support craft slightly off shore. Xandu posted:110 seems like a shitload, but I don't know much about cruise missiles. The warhead isn't much bigger than a conventional bomb, so 110 bombs over 20 targets isn't that much.
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Cjones posted:Anybody hearing this gun nerd talking about "the new tomahawks"? "DO THEY LET YOU TAKE PICTURES BEFORE YOU DROP THEM ON PEOPLE?  "
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Xandu posted:I expect someone on Fox to attack Obama for letting France attack first. Remember when Fox was on the ball with their bullshit? By now we would already have two to three separate narratives that were full of racist/sexist underpinnings combined with mad conspiracies that nobody could decipher. Now, they're basically sitting around with a thumb up their rear end, letting the rural retards that fund the network do the heavy lifting. "Uh, he's not doing enough." "No, he's doing too little." "How dare he continue the wars he started!" "He's disgracing our heroes in the Iraqi War!" "FRANCE?!? ARE WE LESS THAN THOSE CHEESE-EATING HOMOS??" I got a new name for them: The Failed Narrative Network.
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Pentagon says NO US planes are currently over Libya and NO US forces on the ground for targeting purposes or otherwise.
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This all makes me think of right before the last battle in Independence Day, when the president is going on about how they will launch the largest multinational campaign in history against a single enemy. Between this and Japan, it's been quite a week for human civilization.
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Brown Moses posted:From Twitter: Payback is a motherfucker. I've not seen any new footage out of Libya since the No Fly Zone's gone into effect. Did the news teams on the ground just bug out before the NZF had gone into effect?
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Will we get some awesome first-person war porn footage now? The stuff in Baghdad was great but all filmed several kilometers away. Anyway, nice to see the US doing something "good" with the $US 569,000 missiles... Almost 70 million dollars for the first salvo.. War is costly *e zeroes is hard KillerKatten fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Slantedfloors posted:Are you talking about the fictional US-Israel-Iran-Al Queda plot to give Libyans riot pills, or has one of the Al-Queda affiliates in North Africa shown support the revolution? Because it turned out that a bunch of those affiliates are drug dealers looking for a tough reputation.
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KillerKatten posted:Will we get some awesome first-person war porn footage now? The stuff in Baghdad was great but all filmed several kilometers away... Anyway, nice to see the US doing something "good" with the $US 569,000 missiles... Almost 7 million dollars for the first salvo.. War is costly I think you mean almost 64 million dollars for the first salvo. Still less than a day in Afghanistan.
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Most the news teams only just returned to Benghazi, and the ones in Tripoli are pretty much trapped in their hotel, so there's not much quality footage. Plus it's night, so without decent camera's the best you'll get is footage of burning tanks.
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goatface posted:Currently this has the odd flavour of EU + Commonwealth + US coalition. Anyone know when the Arab league is expected to contribute? It all just seems a bit too friendly... Sky stated they had the capacity but weren't planned to engage yet. NATO has the superior equipment, personnel and tactics. It would seem wise to let them lead the charge and allow "lesser" nations to pile on later. They may be joined by 8 or so of our Swedish JAS 39 Gripens too. The Gvt hasn't been crystal on that matter as of this time.
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