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Ace Oliveira posted:Payback is a motherfucker. The BBC seem to be on a big delay. Whether that's an editorial or a fact checking thing, I don't know.
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goatface posted:Currently this has the odd flavour of EU + Commonwealth + US coalition. Anyone know when the Arab league is expected to contribute? It all just seems a bit too friendly... Reports of UAE planes on the bases in Italy, for what it's worth.
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farraday posted:The troops pulling back from Misrata have been involved with shelling a city for several days now at the very least. gently caress them. If they want to live, leave the weapons behind. If your designation of bad guys is how long they've been laying seige to something, boy do I have bad news about whatever faction you currently back. What I'm saying is that cheering for mercenaries to drive trucks out into the desert and pray that they die of thirst to satiate your arm-chair bloodlust is entirely unnecessary and grotesque. That's all I'm saying, and I'm done derailing this.
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This guy wants to know how Libya's air defense system relates to Iran's. Wtf?
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Okay new drinking game: three shots for every time 'national technical means' are mentioned edit poo poo
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Cjones posted:This guy wants to know how Libya's air defense system relates to Iran's. Wtf? It's not as good. But I don't see why that's relevant to the current situation.
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"Operation Odyssey Dawn"
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Xandu posted:110 seems like a shitload, but I don't know much about cruise missiles. More missiles = a bigger chance the target will be 100% killed dead, basically. If you can safely use multiple missiles on a target instead of one, generally you use as many as you can spare because overkill is better than underkill.
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Cjones posted:This guy wants to know how Libya's air defense system relates to Iran's. Wtf? It's such a dumb question anyway because there's really only a handful of countries that have the capability to stop a substantial air assault from the Western allies. Only one is in the mideast, and it isn't Iran. You'd figure with all the military analysts the news stations employ they would mention that once or twice, but nope.
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Smug Guy posted:If your designation of bad guys is how long they've been laying seige to something, boy do I have bad news about whatever faction you currently back. We're all very impressed with your pacifism. The Arab states involved are sub rosa confirmed to be USE and Qatar by pentagon via AJE.
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Fox can't spin this against Obama. Gaddafi is a crazy rear end in a top hat and everyone hates him. The whole world is basically on board with this and actually helping this time. Whatever happens this whole thing won't last more than 3 weeks. This is nothing like any war in memory really. This is like the feel-good war of the year.
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breaklaw posted:This is like the feel-good war of the year. Thank you for this. e: I'm still pretty sure it will be spun against Obama for "not being as aggressive" as France, etc. speng31b fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 21:41
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breaklaw posted:
I loving hope so, but we can't be sure of that.
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VikingSkull posted:It's such a dumb question anyway because there's really only a handful of countries that have the capability to stop a substantial air assault from the Western allies. Only one is in the mideast, and it isn't Iran. You'd figure with all the military analysts the news stations employ they would mention that once or twice, but nope. Doesn't Iran have a number pf S-300 Missiles from Russia? I forget.
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There's reports that the communication network of Gaddafi's troop is being jammed as well. I also read that no US pilots will be flying over Libya, just drones and missiles.
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AJ news conference incoming. or it might be. It seems a bit nobody-knows-what-is-going-on.
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breaklaw posted:This is nothing like any war in memory really. This is like the feel-good war of the year. It's still early though, we can fit one good one in over the summer I bet. ChaosSamusX posted:Doesn't Iran have a number pf S-300 Missiles from Russia? I forget. We have more planes than they do missiles. There's varying levels of cost on a nation by nation basis, but almost all nations on Earth would be overrun in under a month by the forces laid out against Libya at the moment. e- Besides, a lot of the Iranian missiles and the C&C support network would be flattened by missiles before the planes went in. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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VikingSkull posted:It's still early though, we can fit one good one in over the summer I bet. I always feel bad for the wars that just get shoved out into the battlefield to beat the Christmas Rush.
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Brown Moses posted:There's reports that the communication network of Gaddafi's troop is being jammed as well. I also read that no US pilots will be flying over Libya, just drones and missiles. That wouldn't be overly surprising. The US has most of its ranged air arm in action around Iraq and Afghanistan. The EU, the Commonwealth and the Arab Nations have most of their planes at home, and Libya is close enough to be a target for their home and ranged air forces.
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breaklaw posted:Fox can't spin this against Obama. Guy on BBC saying that if Gaddafi is going to leave it will be after the use of ground troops.
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Cjones posted:"Did you use the cool planes that jam radar?" Whoa whoa, Tom Clancy. Nuff with the techno jargon, we're all just civilians here
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Jiminy Cricket posted:Guy on BBC saying that if Gaddafi is going to leave it will be after the use of ground troops. If Ghadaffi is going to leave, it'll be after his army dwindles away to nothing from desertion instead of volunteering to sit around being vapourized from the stratosphere.
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breaklaw posted:This is nothing like any war in memory really. This is like the feel-good war of the year. Yeah it changes everything when the people of the country are the reason it's happening. This is like witnessing the birth of legitimate democracy in these places. It's pretty cool and nothing like the crazy proxy wars of superpower nations of the last century.
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Not trying to be edgy but here's what the last feel good war looked like:  http://tinyurl.com/66gdhltRemember how many Libyan soldiers were killed because they refused to murder civilians, those left fighting might as well be doing it for fear of their own lives. edit: I'm completely for this intervention but cheering for the death of these people is wrong. married but discreet fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Tuff Ghost posted:Whoa whoa, Tom Clancy. Nuff with the techno jargon, we're all just civilians here Honestly I think he names all military hardware. The plane is called a "Growler".
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I can't even listen to this guy anymore. Our Civilians! Al-Qaeda! Our ceasefire! e:OBSERVERS
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ohoho libyan FM stating that "barbaric attacks have come after a cease fire and general amnesty for rebel forces had been called"
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Libyan government press conference going now. They say they have been the victim of a 'barbaric attack' by western nations, and there has been 'serious harm' to civilians and buildings. The attacks have come during the ceasefire (hurr) and at a time when Libya has announced major reforms (what??). They are claiming that a great number of civilian dead and wounded are filling up their hospitals and ambulances, no specific numbers though.
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Ehud posted:I'm genuinely confused and curious: Isn't there supposed to be congressional approval for the US to take military action? Am I just being incredibly naive?
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Libya press conf is currently saying that the "barbaric attacks against Libyan people have killed many civilians" Hrmm, Its lovely how this regime lies in the face of everything. They claim cease fire while actively shelling positions.
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Jiminy Cricket posted:Guy on BBC saying that if Gaddafi is going to leave it will be after the use of ground troops. The rebels are the ground troops. Now they have some serious backup to help weaken counter attacks and to help clear a path for them. Plus the psychological effect on the mercs and the loyalists the haven't defected (yet). Gadaffi's done.
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CJSwiss posted:According to MSNBC, the Pentagon's labeling this "Operation Odyssey Dawn". The best thing I've heard is in the #dai-ichi chat where someone said it sounded like a Greek stripper name.
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Ehud posted:I'm genuinely confused and curious: Isn't there supposed to be congressional approval for the US to take military action? Am I just being incredibly naive? No, limited powers of war have been acceptable for decades now. Reagan never got approval to whack Libya the first time around. If Obama sends a division in without going to Congress, then there's a problem. A few missiles and a radar plane isn't anything remarkable.
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