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VikingSkull posted:Honestly I think he names all military hardware. The plane is called a "Growler". F/A-18 A to F were already taken so it's the G model for SEAD missions + its the successor to the EA-6B Prowler = Growler
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Polaron posted:One where the UN found its balls to actually do the right thing without the United States being the primary military force. It's nice to see. Pretty much this. x 100000000
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Not trying to be edgy but here's what the last feel good war looked like: Wow. I've never seen that before. So it looks like he didn't die from an explosion, he was burned to death? 
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RunningOnEmpty posted:It's the Iraqi information minister all over again.
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Koesj posted:F/A-18 A to F were already taken so it's the G model for SEAD missions + its the successor to the EA-6B Prowler = Growler Yeah, I know. Like 80% of GBS just had a stroke, though.
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I get a little misty eyed knowing that my country can be engaging in major military operations in 3 countries, numerous counter-terrorist operations, and a huge aide effort in Japan at the same time. America, gently caress yeah Ehud posted:I'm genuinely confused and curious: Isn't there supposed to be congressional approval for the US to take military action? Am I just being incredibly naive?  What century do you live in, man?
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Ehud posted:I'm genuinely confused and curious: Isn't there supposed to be congressional approval for the US to take military action? Am I just being incredibly naive? UN security council overrides a hell of a lot.
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Tuff Ghost posted:
I think the other goons (Slantedfloors and VikingSkull) explained this pretty well.
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redreader posted:Wow. I've never seen that before. So it looks like he didn't die from an explosion, he was burned to death? From what I remember it was from a column of military traffic during the first Gulf War, dozens if not hundreds of vehicles destroyed by US aircraft.
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AJE : We don't know whether to laugh or cry at what he's saying.
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Mar 19, 2011 21:58
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BBC posted:2055: Back to Libyan state TV, which reports that a French warplane has been shot down in the Njela district of Tripoli. It also says a hospital has been hit in the suburbs of Tripoli. Let's hope it's only propaganda.
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I can't give you specifics, but rest assured they were civilian buildings.
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Jiminy Cricket posted:I can't give you specifics, That's a shame.
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AJE: It's not clear if they're trying to insult our intelligence or if they're being forced to make these statements. Hah.
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If a French fighter has been shot down, they'll be pissed, and the French haven't extended their forces on any of the recent conflicts. France can easily take Libya in a straight fight.
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goatface posted:UN security council overrides a hell of a lot. Not US military powers. The authorization for this comes from the war powers resolution, which allows the President to engage forces for 60 days without authorization from Congress or a declaration of war. After that, Congress can authorize a 30 day extension, a full authorization of force (as was done for Iraq) or declare war. There are questions about the constitutionality of the war powers resolution, but it's unlikely to face a challenge.
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U.S. president can authorize the deployment of troops without Congressional assistance but only for I believe 60 days? Which by then if the conflict i still ongoing makes it difficult to pull out. I'm no pol sci major but even just one class would teach you that.
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Slantedfloors posted:Whatever happened to him? He should have gotten his own show where he read the complete opposite of the daily news. No idea. He would have been good on Harry Hill. Jesus. This guy must have no idea what is actually happening out there. Even the AJ news-guy has no idea what to say about it.
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Brown Moses posted:AJE : We don't know whether to laugh or cry at what he's saying. It's pretty clear Al Qaeda's News Network is putting its own agenda to the front here
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Let's hope it's only propaganda. Probably is. I'm willing to bet they're using the footage from the downed MIG-23 earlier today.
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Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly?
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Brown Moses posted:AJE : We don't know whether to laugh or cry at what he's saying. This is why AJE is "a good thing".
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Does France even have jets over Tripoli? I thought they were focussing on making rebel held areas safer first and letting the 110 death sticks do the softening of air defenses in other areas
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Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? I don't think it'll be over quickly, it'll just strip Gaddafi of his offensive capabilities, so it'll be up to the rebels (who will be provided with some nice gear) to finish off the job.
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Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? Support by a large percentage of the population.
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Wait what? A Toyota with an Ack Ack gun in the back? Yeah this'll be quick.
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Slave posted:Does France even have jets over Tripoli? I thought they were focussing on making rebel held areas safer first and letting the 110 death sticks do the softening of air defenses in other areas After they're done 'developing the battlespace' IE taking out all air defence assets you might see coalition planes over Tripoli.
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Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? 1) Libya is weak as hell. What remains of their air force and AA will be toast by first light tomorrow. 2) There will be no NATO-ground forces involved. The Libyan National Transitional Council are perfectly capable.
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Koesj posted:It's pretty clear Al Qaeda's News Network is putting its own agenda to the front here Please tell us more about AQ's news network. Pretty please.
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t3ch3 posted:Not US military powers. The authorization for this comes from the war powers resolution, which allows the President to engage forces for 60 days without authorization from Congress or a declaration of war. After that, Congress can authorize a 30 day extension, a full authorization of force (as was done for Iraq) or declare war. There are questions about the constitutionality of the war powers resolution, but it's unlikely to face a challenge. Just to expand on this in a different direction, but there's not a single thing about the US that the UN Security Council overrides. The US as a whole does what it wants. Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? Libya is engaged in a civil war against elements of its own military, they don't control all of their territory, and their ground and air forces are both a full generation behind Iraq under Saddam Hussein. The US bitch slapped Gadhafi a full 25 years ago, and he basically has the exact same forces now. Libya is not a threat, and there is no occupation planned. Seizure Meat fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan were in an active state of uprising against their rulers when we stepped in, and in neither case was the UN asked by the Arab League and the nation's own people to step in.
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Aromatic Stretch posted:Not to be a pessimist, but I've heard a few people (on this website and in the news) say that this will be over relatively quickly. What makes people so sure? Is there anything drastically different here than there was when the Iraq and Afghanistan wars were starting that suggests this will go more smoothly? First, the reasons for the difficulties and lengths of occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan are very, exceedingly, different. Secondly, there aren't plans for any type of true occupational force at this point. Finally, the situation amongst the people in Libya is nothing like either the populaces of either Afghanistan or Iraq in terms of their motivation. I have my doubts that this will be a 1-3 week "thing", but I don't see this dragging out as massively and as asininely as Iraq/Afghanistan did for the US for coalition forces here.
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avisgoth posted:Please tell us more about AQ's news network. Pretty please. They rule, round the clock coverage with great insight. US new channels were doing inane blabber all afternoon but only decided to get involved when ARE MISSILES were launched.
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This isn't going to be relatively quick. This entire action is going to prolong the civil war for months. A lot of people are going to die as a result of that.
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IM_DA_DECIDER posted:Not trying to be edgy but here's what the last feel good war looked like: No one is cheering for the death of people forced to fight. Hopefully it will be over quickly. We're cheering for the aspirations of the Lybian people. Cheering for justice to finally be brought to Gaddafi and his loving prick of a son. Benghazi celebrates freedom Look at how loving happy these people are. They are going to be that happy again once it's all over and they've won. It feels good to see all this destructive military power being used for something undeniably good for once.
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Concerned Citizen posted:This isn't going to be relatively quick. This entire action is going to prolong the civil war for months. A lot of people are going to die as a result of that. As opposed to the quicker, more violent crushing of the rebels by Gadhafi and the purge that follows?
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Koesj posted:They rule, round the clock coverage with great insight. US new channels were doing inane blabber all afternoon but only decided to get involved when ARE MISSILES were launched. My mistake. I mistook your comment for derision towards Al Jazeera. I completely agree with you that they rule, and wish I could watch them on my television.
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