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Brown Moses posted:Apparently the foreign TV channels Gaddafi had been blocking have been unblocked, including Al Jazeera. That's strange, I can't imagine Gaddafi voluntarily giving up his information monopoly now that he needs it the most, could the jamming station have been taken out by bombardment? Oh yeah, it's also late at night, Twitter rumours going wild again.
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Narmi posted:There's been quite a bit of talk since the airstrikes started about how there's no support from the Arab countries. The BBC just posted that the UAE and Qatar have stepped up and offered about 30 aircraft, and Turkey is getting involved too. Turkey's not Arab.
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Holy poo poo, didn't expect that.
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Great post on ACIG:quote:In other words, the US puts this within the "comfort level" of non-US air forces. It is a big shoot: if 20 complexes were hit, that is certainly a lot of designated mean points of impact (DMPI) but with the capabilities of today's TLAM-C, they could have used less than they did. This suggests to me that they are not wholly sure of the exact locations of relocatable assets - probably related to the immaturity of the ISR part of the SEAD strike. In many ways this reminds me of the SEAD portion of Desert Fox in '98, which was essentially a hunt for SA-2 and associated radar sites around the Baghdad Super-MEZ.
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Brown Moses posted:It's coming from this Twitter account, been a good source of info before: Iyad's a pretty good source, and in the past shyed away from posting rumours, preferring to wait for confirmation. And he's saying there's footage that he's hoping to get soon. Democrazy posted:Turkey's not Arab. True, but I included it as it's a Muslim country and would add some more legitimacy to the claims of diversity. Narmi fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 19, 2011 |
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Mar 19, 2011 23:53
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Freigeist posted:That's strange, I can't imagine Gaddafi voluntarily giving up his information monopoly now that he needs it the most, could the jamming station have been taken out by bombardment? Jamming would have probably been a civilian government facility, I'm not sure they would have targeted it. I suppose it depends on how the comm black out was being conducted as to what could have ended it.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:54
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Yeah I'm grouping this up there with such Twitter gems as 'Ghadaffi has left the country' and 'Israeli jets bombing Libya'
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Mar 19, 2011 23:55
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Narmi posted:There's been quite a bit of talk since the airstrikes started about how there's no support from the Arab countries. The BBC just posted that the UAE and Qatar have stepped up and offered about 30 aircraft, and Turkey is getting involved too. I actually find it all a bit unfair. They aren't needed at this stage, the NATO-countries are far more capable. The Arab nations (and my native Sweden) can join up later on, when the worst of the fighting is over. We would just be in the way at this point.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:55
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US official: Air defenses "severely disabled" via BBC
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Mar 19, 2011 23:56
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Stroh M.D. posted:I actually find it all a bit unfair. They aren't needed at this stage, the NATO-countries are far more capable. The Arab nations (and my native Sweden) can join up later on, when the worst of the fighting is over. We would just be in the way at this point. The arab and muslim countries are needed politically, and the politics of this are important.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:57
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L-Boned posted:He means there are no mountains or jungles for one side to retreat into and drag the civil war on indefinitely. Indeed, in open desert terrain, mechanized warfare starts resembling naval warfare more than traditional land warfare. In a way, any mountains and other hard to traverse terrain turns into "islands" in an ocean of desert.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:57
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Apparently France has beefed up their usual rotation of recon jets to Chad with either A2A or strike Mirages this week, talk about foresight.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:57
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Twitter is saying some of the Gaddafi forces attacking Zintan have switched sides.
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Stroh M.D. posted:I actually find it all a bit unfair. They aren't needed at this stage, the NATO-countries are far more capable. The Arab nations (and my native Sweden) can join up later on, when the worst of the fighting is over. We would just be in the way at this point. Politically the Arabs are needed for the US to say 'we are doing this with our Arab brothers' as they open up a 3rd front in a Muslim country. It would be very helpful for the diplomats if they were part of the initial charge too.
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Brown Moses posted:Twitter is saying some of the Gaddafi forces attacking Zintan have switched sides. Just saw that. Someone on the Liveleaks feed said ALL forces in Zintan switched.
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Mar 19, 2011 23:59
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Stroh M.D. posted:I actually find it all a bit unfair. They aren't needed at this stage, the NATO-countries are far more capable. The Arab nations (and my native Sweden) can join up later on, when the worst of the fighting is over. We would just be in the way at this point. I think it's more that it's an issue because people made it an issue. For all I know hey might not ever take off, but just being there would appease some people that it's not a western led operation.
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Jaysus posted:Just saw that. Someone on the Liveleaks feed said ALL forces in Zintan switched. Sounds like an evil trick!
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Mar 20, 2011 00:01
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Slave posted:Politically the Arabs are needed for the US to say 'we are doing this with our Arab brothers' as they open up a 3rd front in a Muslim country. It would be very helpful for the diplomats if they were part of the initial charge too. Really stoked to see what the local press has to say about the apparent 24-ship contribution the UAE is making.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:02
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Jaysus posted:Just saw that. Someone on the Liveleaks feed said ALL forces in Zintan switched. Seeing that Zintan has been under heavy attack that must be a lot of soldiers.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:03
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Mar 20, 2011 00:03
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Brown Moses posted:Seeing that Zintan has been under heavy attack that must be a lot of soldiers. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Pretty hard to believe you could get that many people to switch at one time.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:04
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That's a strange shot Xantu, did they literally launch them from port?
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Mar 20, 2011 00:05
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evilweasel posted:The arab and muslim countries are needed politically, and the politics of this are important. You're probably right. I'm underestimating the political side of things. Well, at this point most of the AA-threat should be out of the way by tomorrow. By tomorrow night or on Tuesday, it would be a good thing to see some local company in the air. Lets hope the diplomatic side will step up the pressure to see that happen.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:06
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I wonder what's going to happen to the soldiers who defect post-UN resolution, especially if they come from the guys who attacked Benghazi. They still targeted civilians, even if it was only because they were too scared to defect after seeing what happened to their comrades.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:07
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Jaysus posted:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Pretty hard to believe you could get that many people to switch at one time. If it's accurate, it means the officers decided to defect and had enough support from their troops to do it. That's how large groups of troops defected before: they retain their organization.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:08
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farraday posted:That's a strange shot Xantu, did they literally launch them from port? Yeah that looks like a portside shot. edit just want to make sure everyone knows this was sarcarsm
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Mar 20, 2011 00:08
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Koesj posted:Yeah that looks like a portside shot. So lazy. The US Navy can't even be bothered to set sail to attack. Half of crew is probably still on shore leave.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:10
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farraday posted:So lazy. The US Navy can't even be bothered to set sail to attack. Half of crew is probably still on shore leave. Probably bunking it up with each other.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:11
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Just read that Misarata has been untouched since the NFZ was actually enforced earlier today. Gaddafi's parting shots were targetting petrol stations and fuel tanks.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:12
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Wait, so U.S. actually fired missiles at Lybia? Last I saw the Obama administration had just been sitting on the other side of the ocean giving the uprisings the thumbsup without any actual support. Not sure what to think about this development. Does anyone (who has better knowledge on Libya, better connections, or better websites) know how they feel about the U.S. actually joining their fight?
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Mar 20, 2011 00:12
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Brown Moses posted:Just read that Misarata has been untouched since the NFZ was actually enforced earlier today. Gaddafi's parting shots were targetting petrol stations and fuel tanks.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:13
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A missile being fired at Libya today: http://www.twitvid.com/F2URC
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Mar 20, 2011 00:14
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EatinCake posted:Wait, so U.S. actually fired missiles at Lybia? Last I saw the Obama administration had just been sitting on the other side of the ocean giving the uprisings the thumbsup without any actual support. Not sure what to think about this development. Navy posted:110319-N-XO436-138 MEDITERRANEAN SEA (March. 19, 2011) The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Barry (DDG 52) launches a Tomahawk missile in support of Operation Odyssey Dawn on March 19, 2011. This was one of approximately 110 cruise missiles fired from U.S. and British ships and submarines that targeted about 20 radar and anti-aircraft sites along Libya's Mediterranean coast. Joint Task Force Odyssey Dawn is the U.S. Africa Command task force established to provide operational and tactical command and control of U.S. military forces supporting the international response to the unrest in Libya and enforcement of United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1973. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Jonathan Sunderman/Released) US don't play around, holmes.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:15
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EatinCake posted:Wait, so U.S. actually fired missiles at Lybia? Last I saw the Obama administration had just been sitting on the other side of the ocean giving the uprisings the thumbsup without any actual support. Not sure what to think about this development. NATO repositioned a bunch of ships around Libya a while ago, and the USS Enterprise has been hanging around there for a few days now. And they fired 110 missiles across 5 different targets in the past few hours.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:15
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One of the sites hit today was apparently an army base by the military air base east of Tripoli.
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EatinCake posted:Wait, so U.S. actually fired missiles at Lybia? Last I saw the Obama administration had just been sitting on the other side of the ocean giving the uprisings the thumbsup without any actual support. Not sure what to think about this development. They opened up with a 100 Tomahawk salvo shortly after the French made their first offensive move. The US is downgrading now though, providing intel and coordination. Obama explicitly stated that there will be no manned flights above Libya. Drones will join later on, Global Hawks have been mentioned specifically.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:16
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EatinCake posted:Does anyone (who has better knowledge on Libya, better connections, or better websites) know how they feel about the U.S. actually joining their fight? "loving FINALLY" - but they're also eager to see the Arab league countries and Islamic countries taking a more central role in the near future.
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Mar 20, 2011 00:18
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Random unimportant info: the name of the french participation in the NFZ is Operation Harmattan, and the british are using Operation Ellamy. Also, haha if UAE does bring 24 aircraft, that will be more than France used today (8 Rafale, 2 Mirage 2000-5, 2 Mirage 2000 D, 6 C 135 refueling planes and an E3F Awacs). pylb fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Mar 20, 2011 |
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EatinCake posted:Does anyone (who has better knowledge on Libya, better connections, or better websites) know how they feel about the U.S. actually joining their fight? quote:Residents of the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi have welcomed the air and missile strikes by the UN-mandated international coalition. Iyad Ali told the Reuters news agency: "We think this will end Gaddafi's rule. Libyans will never forget France's stand with them. If it weren't for them, then Benghazi would have been overrun tonight." Khaled al-Ghurfali added: "We salute, France, Britain, the United States and the Arab countries for standing with Libya. But we think Gaddafi will take out his anger on civilians. So the West has to hit him hard."
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