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I'd be somewhat surprised if they targeted an administrative building within Col Gaddafi's compound. An administrative building doesn't seem to fit in with their quoted aims (it's not military hardware), risks feeding the 'they're after regime change' theory, and looks like it risks collateral damage (based on google maps). I'd be less surprised if Gaddafi told them to torch some building, so they can claim an attempted assignation...
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:One of my basic principles is to never trust anyone who has their own "compound". It hasn't failed me yet. I was about to say something similar, whenever I hear the word compound I immediately know something is screwed up
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Pablo Bluth posted:I'd be somewhat surprised if they targeted an administrative building within Col Gaddafi's compound. An administrative building doesn't seem to fit in with their quoted aims (it's not military hardware), risks feeding the 'they're after regime change' theory, and looks like it risks collateral damage (based on google maps). A CNN dude is touring it right now and says the whole place is leveled.
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Mar 21, 2011 00:07
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farraday posted:What about compound fractures? If they live in a compound fracture, of course.
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Finally, video from tonight inside Dar3a, Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt0ZWHIHUoo large procession, though you have to skip ahead.
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Mar 21, 2011 00:13
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:One of my basic principles is to never trust anyone who has their own "compound". It hasn't failed me yet.
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Mar 21, 2011 00:15
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Almanara: "Breaking News: Khames (#Gaddafi Son) Has died - Confirmed" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khamis_al-Gaddafi
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Mar 21, 2011 01:07
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Vir posted:Cults in America call it a "campus" these days. There's a decrepit but still-in-use old cult compound on a backroad about 20 miles from where I live that couldn't ever pass as a campus. It's a compound through and through. Still, a good PR move.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:08
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Khamis Qaddafi: Schrodinger's War Criminal. Either dead or alive depending on who's speaking.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:11
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cioxx posted:Almanara: "Breaking News: Khames (#Gaddafi Son) Has died - Confirmed" "confirmed" I hope he's dead, but people online have a tendency to use confirmed when they shouldn't.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:16
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kindermord posted:A CNN dude is touring it right now and says the whole place is leveled. Is there a body count of missionaries and schoolchildren (intact of course) yet?
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Mar 21, 2011 01:29
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cioxx posted:Almanara: "Breaking News: Khames (#Gaddafi Son) Has died - Confirmed"
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Xandu posted:"confirmed" Especially a wiki that probably used a tweet as it's source. The-Mole posted:There's a decrepit but still-in-use old cult compound on a backroad about 20 miles from where I live that couldn't ever pass as a campus. It's a compound through and through. Weren't the camps like the ones in Hogan's Heroes also considered compounds?
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Mar 21, 2011 01:31
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How the hell could you be a merc and even think about staying around anywhere near military hardware at this point? I mean, sure, someone's got a gun to your head telling you to keep going, but we're talking about the best western military hardware bearing down on you from every direction and basically I'd be all "Yeah, I need to take a piss over here behind this building real quick..." *runs*
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Mar 21, 2011 01:33
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ArchDemon posted:How the hell could you be a merc and even think about staying around anywhere near military hardware at this point? I mean, sure, someone's got a gun to your head telling you to keep going, but we're talking about the best western military hardware bearing down on you from every direction and basically I'd be all "Yeah, I need to take a piss over here behind this building real quick..." *runs* I wonder the mindset of those who are joined by ex G-supporters who only recently were lobbing artillery into your town. How accepting are they of those defecting?
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Mar 21, 2011 01:37
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Vir posted:Shows that Jordan is serious about not being a crazy dictatorship.
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Umiapik posted:Hang on, when did this 'no-fly' zone expand to be a 'no tanks or armoured vehicles' zone..?
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Mar 21, 2011 01:39
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Just waiting on Saif to wander a bit too near to a military emplacement, that's if he ever gets the gently caress off my TV first. (Not literally, allied assault force, no TLAMs here please.)
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Where exactly are the rebels getting jet planes from? Are they stealing them? Not that stealing from Gadaffi would be a bad thing, I'm just wondering. Planes are pretty drat expensive compared to guns, especially the kind of planes that can go supersonic and shoot missiles.
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let it go dude, hail satan
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Rambowjo posted:Where exactly are the rebels getting jet planes from? Are they stealing them?
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cioxx posted:Almanara: "Breaking News: Khames (#Gaddafi Son) Has died - Confirmed" quote:3 Almanara Media is confirming from trusted sources that Khamis Al Gaddafi has passed away on Sunday due to severe burn injuries he sustained a few days ago. The burns were caused when a fighter jet pilot performed a martyr mission and crashed his fighter jet into Gaddafi’s compound Baab Al Aziziyah. IMPORTANT: We are only citing Almanara Media for this news. We have not confirmed it via any other source.
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Rambowjo posted:Where exactly are the rebels getting jet planes from? Are they stealing them? Which planes are you referring to?
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Cartouche posted:Is there a body count of missionaries and schoolchildren (intact of course) yet? Bound and gagged with neat little holes in the backs of thier heads. Cruise missiles are really sophisticated these days.
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Need to be able to understand Arabic for this, but it's still pretty amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft2Ujcqnsk0 Libyan TV presenter talks about the "adoption" of resolution 1973 by other countries and Libya and says: "As we all know in Islam, adoption is haram! No one can adopt this resolution!". That rule is about child adoption....... I wonder who actually uses these hallucination pills? 
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XK posted:Which planes are you referring to? The article on Gadaffi's son says that a rebel plane struck the palace, though I suppose that could be wikipedia vandalism. I've also read and heard a bit about rebel planes every now and then. I guess maybe they don't have any planes at all? edit: clarity Rambowjo fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Mar 21, 2011 01:49
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Ham posted:Need to be able to understand Arabic for this, but it's still pretty amazing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft2Ujcqnsk0 Is there any chance for a word for word translation for that?
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Chortles posted:Well, when that's the one thing keeping the Jordanian people from turning their wrath against Abdullah II... why not hold onto it? (He seems relatively young compared to the other Middle Eastern monarchs/autocrats, which really helps his image I think.) Abdullah II was a Starfleet officer on a Star Trek show. Albeit it was Voyager, but still. No one who has done a cameo on a Star Trek show has ever been a bad person. About Khamis' death, wasn't the kamikaze attack on the compound a rumor or am I hearing things differently now?
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Mar 21, 2011 01:52
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Rambowjo posted:The article on Gadaffi's son says that a rebel plane struck the palace, though I suppose that could be vandalism. I've also read and heard a bit about rebel planes every now and then. I guess maybe they don't have any planes at all? There was a rumour that a kamikaze rebel pilot had struck the Gaddafi compound, but that was days ago and was pure bullshit. Don't believe everything on the internet. The rebels do have some planes, apparently, like the one they shot down. There are airbases all over Libya, and the rebels control a large part of Libya, hence the rebels hold a lot of airplanes too.
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ArchDemon posted:How the hell could you be a merc and even think about staying around anywhere near military hardware at this point? I mean, sure, someone's got a gun to your head telling you to keep going, but we're talking about the best western military hardware bearing down on you from every direction and basically I'd be all "Yeah, I need to take a piss over here behind this building real quick..." *runs* Actually, that's one of the advantages of using foreign mercenaries, they have nowhere to run. They can't just blend in with the local population and have pretty much no chance of making it back to their home country alone. So they pretty much have to stay and fight to the end. Well, the other option is trying to surrender to the rebels and hope for leniency, and that you are not lynched somewhere on the way if you are black. I don't buy the large number of foreign mercenaries though, most of Gaddafi's troops seem to be recruited from inside Libya. The problems the rebels in Benghazi had in the last days with "sleeper cells" show that even in their stronghold there are at least a few dozen to hundreds of people ready to die in support of Gaddafi. Their numbers in areas where he actually has a significant support base will be much higher. Edit: Since Khamis's death continues the "plane hit Gaddafi compound" narrative, which seems to have been bullshit to begin with, the reports about his death are certainly wrong too. neamp fucked around with this message at 02:01 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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farraday posted:Is there any chance for a word for word translation for that? "It is known that adoption may be legal according to law, but religiously uhhhh it remains a forbidden subject, I mean the prophet peace be upon him told us so and there's many examples and evidence in our islamic faith that proves that adoption is forbidden by Allah and I think that the adoption of this resolution is considered forbidden by Allah." Bla bla bla we've got a telephone call oh wait he heard my batshit crazy theory and said gently caress it then "I want to assure you, thanks to god 3 members that are Russia, Germany and China have abstained from voting, and India and Brazil had neutral stances as well...." That stuff in Islam about adoption? It's all about adopting children and she actually has it all wrong.
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Ham posted:The coalition planes are engaging targets. Islam says marriage is only between man and woman. Coalition engagement of targets is haram, unless target is woman, or pilot is woman. Seriously, are they using the English word for "adoption" and directly mistranslating it or something?
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Freigeist posted:Actually, that's one of the advantages of using foreign mercenaries, they have nowhere to run. They can't just blend in with the local population and have pretty much no chance of making it back to their home country alone. So they pretty much have to stay and fight to the end. Well, the other option is trying to surrender to the rebels and hope for leniency, and that you are not lynched somewhere on the way if you are black. Now that I think about it, maybe that captured Italian freighter was done by foreign mercenaries trying to get out of the country.
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Vir posted:Seriously, are they using the English word for "adoption" and directly mistranslating it or something? No they's literally that insane, adopt in english means the exact same in Arabic, both for children and for UN resolutions.
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Rambowjo posted:The article on Gadaffi's son says that a rebel plane struck the palace, though I suppose that could be wikipedia vandalism. I've also read and heard a bit about rebel planes every now and then. I guess maybe they don't have any planes at all? Your statement was a bit intriguing with the supersonic missile shooting part, and I was hoping you weren't thinking rebels were carrying out on-going coordinated air-strikes. They do apparently have a few planes, but it's pretty rag-tag. Great stroke of luck that kamikaze plane taking out Khamis, if true. The other way I heard the story is that it was a plane that had just taken off from Tripoli to bomb some place, but the pilot instead flew into the compound.
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XK posted:Great stroke of luck that kamikaze plane taking out Khamis, if true. The other way I heard the story is that it was a plane that had just taken off from Tripoli to bomb some place, but the pilot instead flew into the compound. It never happened.
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XK posted:Your statement was a bit intriguing with the supersonic missile shooting part, and I was hoping you weren't thinking rebels were carrying out on-going coordinated air-strikes. They do apparently have a few planes, but it's pretty rag-tag. The BBC is reporting more air and cruise missile strikes tonight, which would be a better explanation of the big explosion everyone heard in Tripoli guardian blog posted:11.02pm: The building which has been destroyed by a missile strike inside Gaddafi's compound was an administrative building, the AFP news agency has added. Ireland Sucks fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Young Freud posted:Abdullah II was a Starfleet officer on a Star Trek show. Albeit it was Voyager, but still. No one who has done a cameo on a Star Trek show has ever been a bad person. King Abdullah II on The Daily Show, back in September 2010 so before the "Arab Spring": http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-23-2010/king-abdullah-ii-of-jordan Jordan has been more liberal and friendly to the west, and has been slowly moving towards democratization. That said there have been some setbacks in recent years in regards to some speech freedoms. But overall the royal family has been reactive to public concerns, and when Jordanians marched in support of the current uprisings, the king immediately fired the cabinet and the Prime Minister (which was the specific request of the protesters) and ordered the new prime minister to "undertake quick and tangible steps for real political reforms, which reflect our vision for comprehensive modernization and development in Jordan." Since the king still commands the support of the populace, things have calmed down since then. I'm not too worried about Jordan. Morocco is also a country that has been positively trending, but not quite as fast.
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Slave posted:The BBC is reporting more air and cruise missile strikes tonight, which would be a better explanation of the big explosion everyone heard in Tripoli I was referring to a hypothetical event which occurred before the UN approved the resolution.
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XK posted:I was referring to a hypothetical event which occurred before the UN approved the resolution. Oh. I guess I've lost track of how many times the guy has died too then
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