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I've actually heard people talking about ceasefire in some surprising quarters (e.g. Paddy Ashdown on BBC news this morning). Where does the thinking behined this come from? This is a man who just last week was saying he would go room to room killing people in Bhengazi. Do they really think he'll suddenly say after 42 years in power: Ghaddafi posted:
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The Tweet from Reuters was incorrect, it should have read:quote:Reuters have tweeted a correction on the information sent out below – "Gaddafi's forces (not rebels) now about 30 km (19 miles) outside Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte."
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If we start a new thread that should be the OP, nothing else.
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Sirtequote:Al Jazeera English Al Jazeera’s Sue Turton says that early reports that opposition fighters had taken Sirte may have been down to scouts being able to get into the city without facing armed opposition. quote:BBC Rebels in east Libya have seized the town of Nawfaliyah from forces loyal to Col Gaddafi, extending their advance westwards towards Sirte, al-Jazeera reports, according to Reuters. quote:Reuters A steady stream of revolutionaries in 4×4 pick-ups mounted with machineguns have been driving in the direction of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s hometown of Sirte on Monday, seeking to extend their advance west. quote:AJE A Reuters correspondent about 15km west of Bin Jawad reports hearing sustained bombardment on the road ahead (which leads to Nawfaliya and onwards to Sirte). TNC quote:Reuters Qatar recognised the rebel Libyan National Council as the sole legitimate representative of the Libyan people on Monday, the Qatari state news agency reported. Gaddafi quote:BBC BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus considers the uncertainties that still surround the end-game in this crisis: "Continuing air attacks will reach a point where they are no longer ensuring the protection of civilians, but aiding the offensive operations of the rebels. Some might argue that point has already come. Inevitably this will cause strains within Nato." Misarata quote:AJE Sadoun, a spokesperson for the opposition, tells Al Jazeera that clashes between pro- and anti-government forces in Misurata have been sporadic today, with fighting being more limited than what was seen on Sunday.
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quote:Five people, including the son of a high-ranking Libyan police officer, have been arrested after Iman al-Obeidi claimed she was raped and beaten by men close to Gaddafi's regime, Sky News is reporting.
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quote:Reuters A steady stream of revolutionaries in 4×4 pick-ups mounted with machineguns have been driving in the direction of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi’s hometown of Sirte on Monday, seeking to extend their advance west. The Toyota Hilux has once again proved to be the most effective tool for waging war in Africa.
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DevilCat posted:I dont get it. Is that frodo and what is Gaddagi ridding?
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max4me posted:I dont get it. Is that frodo and what is Gaddagi ridding? Bob Dylan is not Frodo
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Dusseldorf posted:Bob Dylan is not Frodo Looks like Doctor Who
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# ? Mar 28, 2011 12:35 |
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Shabab Libya has been posting a lot on Twitter in the last 30 minutes, interesting read:quote:Hi everyone, managed to get net again in Benghazi, it is very slow, but i will try to provide some information for you. Benghazi quote:bungdan benghazi locals say they've renamed "Chavez Stadium" near the airport to Sarkozy stadium Sirte quote:ChangeInLibya Guys, remember, I said scout group. The commandos and revolutionaries knew it was a trap - we have no losses Kufra quote:SultanAlQassemi: Al Jazeera: A number of Libyan Army officers in Kufra have joined the revolutionaries quote:ChangeInLibya Funnily enough, Kufra, one of the least mentioned cities in this revolution, encompasses an area bigger than all of Tunisia Tripoli quote:ChangeInLibya Eman Al Obeidi's mother is asking people in Tripoli to go out and fight against the injustice Update from AJE too: quote:General Hamdi Hassi, an opposition commander in the town of Bin Jawad says that while taking Sirte will "not be easy", NATO airstrikes have evened the scales between the pro- and anti-government forces. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Mar 28, 2011 |
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ShababLibya also posted the story of the jet that was shot down over Benghazi last week.quote:The story regarding the downed revolutionary jet in Benghazi last week. He went on a bombing mission but he turned and went for another without permission from HQ because he saw so many tanks. He was then hit by his own because nobody knew he was going for a second. He stayed in the jet as long as pos to turn away from homes thus ejected late and died.
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Non Libyan round up Egypt bbc posted:1135: In other developments in the region, Egypt is to hold a legislative election in September, the ruling Supreme Council of the Armed Forces has said, as reported by Reuters. But a date for a presidential election has yet to be set, Mamdouh Shaheen, a member of the military council, says at a news conference. Syria BBC posted:1208: wissamtarif in Syria tweets: "Military troops deployed in #Latakia #Syria Check points in different parts of the city#March15 #Daraa." Yemen BBC posted:
And of course the recognition of the Libyan Transitional Council by Qatar.
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DevilCat posted:What the gently caress? Who made this?
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Zero grinder posted:What the gently caress? the Faithmouse guy.
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PenguinBob posted:the Faithmouse guy. Erm I did not know that and this is amazing. Also I am sorry earlier about the miscommnuication on Sirt.
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Zero grinder posted:What the gently caress? Dan Lacey, painter of pancakes.
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Sounds like Gaddafi's forces have secured part of Misarata, and are driving journalists there now to give the usual tour. Hopefully the coalition will start bombing just before they arrive.
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This came up on Twitter:quote:Globe_info tweets: “Urgent: Rebels seize Hadhramy camp in Msallata and chase the pro-Gueddafi battalion out of the town.” They report that Msellata is now free. This also came up: quote:Virtualactivism tweets: “Breaking: Libyan revolutionaries now contol Harawa, 70km east of Sirte. #libya”
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Update on Iman al-Obeidi:quote:The parents of a Libyan woman who claimed she was detained by Muammar Gaddafi's troops and later gang-raped have said their daughter is being held hostage at the Libyan leader's compound in Tripoli. Also, ceasefire time for Misarata, just in time for the journalists to arrive: quote:Libya's foreign ministry has announced a ceasefire in the rebel-held western city of Misrata, state media say. "Anti-terrorism units have stopped firing at the armed terrorist groups that have been terrorising," the Jana agency quoted the ministry as saying. "The city of Misrata now enjoys security and tranquillity and public services have started to recover their ability to provide customary services to all citizens. The Foreign Ministry thus emphasises Libya's commitment to the ceasefire: it stands."
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Brown Moses posted:Sounds like Gaddafi's forces have secured part of Misarata, and are driving journalists there now to give the usual tour*. Hopefully the coalition will start bombing just before they arrive. *"Tour"= Using clueless journalists to become human shields. Really, as much as I crave information, I really will not shed a tear if these folks end up as colateral. I REALLY hope the coalition doesn't need to check the scheduled itinerary of journalists before planning assaults.
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This story gets more and more sickening:quote:Libyan government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim has meanwhile told the AFP news agency that several soldiers have "lodged a complaint accusing Iman al-Obaidi of defamation. "The girl has been freed but the prosecution is still questioning her to determine the circumstances [of her allegations]. It is a criminal affair, not political," he said. Four men, including the son of a high-ranking police officer, have been questioned.
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Brown Moses posted:This story gets more and more sickening: It is interesting how they quite clearly don't understand what they did wrong. In the mind of whoever is the spin-boss at the moment "she dressed provocatively" is probably a valid excuse. It is an otherwise impossible tiny insight in the mind of someone else.
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Cartouche posted:*"Tour"= Using clueless journalists to become human shields. Really, as much as I crave information, I really will not shed a tear if these folks end up as colateral. I REALLY hope the coalition doesn't need to check the scheduled itinerary of journalists before planning assaults. So you're asking for the coalition to level the town of Misarata, just to kill some foreign reporters?
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The Reaganomicon posted:Dan Lacey, painter of pancakes. Justin Bieber with eye lazers could have solved this conflict so easily.
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Qatar with the burn.quote:SultanAlQassemi: AP: Qatari Air Force chief: "Certain countries like #Saudi Arabia & #Egypt haven't taken leadership for the last three years" #Touché A hit, a most palpable hit.
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farraday posted:Qatar with the burn. To be fair, Egypt has had a very oppressive government for the past 30 years. I don't really expect them to take much of a leadership role now. They have their own issues to deal with. I can see them taking a leadership role in a few years from now though. It will be interesting to see how these different countries in the Middle East work with each other after things settle down. Brown Moses, I just want to say thanks for all the information that you keep up to date in this thread. I follow some reporters on twitter, but you have done a really good job of posting the important stuff here.
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DevNull posted:To be fair, Egypt has had a very oppressive government for the past 30 years. I don't really expect them to take much of a leadership role now. They have their own issues to deal with. I can see them taking a leadership role in a few years from now though. It will be interesting to see how these different countries in the Middle East work with each other after things settle down. A repressive government has not stopped Egypt as a country from taking action. I think the Qatari officer has a valid point about the lack of attempted leadership in the Arab world. The current crisis definitely shows the weakness of the various autocratic forms of government, but it can just as well be argued that it is a response to a lack of leadership that would reduce the underlying problems of autocracy.
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Interesting bit from the Guardian:quote:Cameron is now responding to questions by the Labour leader Ed Milliband and other MPs. Cameron says he "would not be at all surprised" if Gaddafi were to announce an "all-encompassing ceasefire" ahead of tomorrow's conference in London. My colleague Andrew Sparrow is continuing to cover the question and answer session his live blog here. That's a pretty odd statement to make considering Gaddafi's previous behaviour, unless Cameron knows more then he's letting on. Maybe Gaddafi's regime has been making some deals behind the scenes to escape from Libya and let the international conference create a road map to democracy. Not sure the rebels are going to stop even if he does declare a ceasefire, he's not exactly stuck to them in the past.
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farraday posted:A repressive government has not stopped Egypt as a country from taking action. I think the Qatari officer has a valid point about the lack of attempted leadership in the Arab world. The current crisis definitely shows the weakness of the various autocratic forms of government, but it can just as well be argued that it is a response to a lack of leadership that would reduce the underlying problems of autocracy. Fair enough. I guess my point was that things appear to be changing for the better. Not so much in Saudi Arabia, but in Egypt. I know Egypt just kind of sat by as Gaza went to hell, and Jordan only cared about the West Bank because they wanted the land as their own. Hopefully these revolutions are a sign of a new social awareness that will allow leaders to step up and deal with many of the issues in the region. Even the countries that are not having outright revolution seem to be making changes in response to the people.
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Brown Moses posted:Interesting bit from the Guardian: Qaddafi has announced at least three ceasefires. I wouldn't be surprised if he announced a cease fire ahead of the meeting either. Announcing is not the important part.
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farraday posted:Qaddafi has announced at least three ceasefires. I wouldn't be surprised if he announced a cease fire ahead of the meeting either. Announcing is not the important part. At this point he's announcing that he's going to attack again. He shouldn't have bothered.
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Mad Doctor Cthulhu posted:At this point he's announcing that he's going to attack again. He shouldn't have bothered. Doesn't everyone announce their attack? Have I been playing too many JRPGS? Speaking of androgynous protagonists. quote:1652: Bahrain's leading Shia opposition group, al-Wifaq, has said 250 people have been detained and 44 others have gone missing since a security crackdown earlier this month crushed weeks of protests. The figures have more than doubled since last week. "Just today and yesterday [Monday and Sunday], we got calls from 35 families saying they lost contact with their relatives when they passed through a checkpoint," Wifaq spokesman Ibrahim Mattar told Reuters. "We don't know what's happened to them, authorities won't say. In these conditions, we actually have to hope they were arrested." No, you're right, that actually had nothing to do with androgynous protagonists.
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farraday posted:Doesn't everyone announce their attack? Have I been playing too many JRPGS? The US sends out messages before air strikes to let soldiers run away, but if civilians are in the area they don't stand a chance.
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DevNull posted:Fair enough. I guess my point was that things appear to be changing for the better. Not so much in Saudi Arabia, but in Egypt. I know Egypt just kind of sat by as Gaza went to hell, and Jordan only cared about the West Bank because they wanted the land as their own. Hopefully these revolutions are a sign of a new social awareness that will allow leaders to step up and deal with many of the issues in the region. Even the countries that are not having outright revolution seem to be making changes in response to the people. Egypt has done a ton about Gaza. Egypt has bent over backwards to make sure that no Gazans can flee to Egypt, that people can only come through to buy food at inflated prices (guns are free for the most part) and then go back no matter how much they want to stay.
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Bit of news, hard to verify:quote:DIRECT from Misratah: A short while ago, the revolutionaries were able to successfully defeat Gaddafi’s forces positioned at the eastern entrance to the city. They managed to kill the leader of the tank regiment which had previously been sent to Az Zawiya. They also managed to destroy one tank and have killed a number of soldiers. This might relate to Nic Robinsons report on what happened during the press visit to Misarata: In #Misrata now about 2-1/2 km from centre, hear gunfire, see smoke rising from centre but can't get there so can't tell what it is Misrata: damaged tanks on outskirts of city, evidence of coalition air strikes. Govt-organized pro-Gadhafi shouting crowd Misrata: looks like sm tanks removd from checkpts in area so we wudn't see them, lots destructn at what apprs 2 b intrsectn of front line. After half hour on the ground here, govt minders making us get back on the bus and leave Leaving #Mistra to sound of heavy machine gunfire, govt minders anxious to turn us around back to #Tripoli
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ShababLibya just posted this from Benghazi:quote:Was outside the courthouse moments ago, latest is that the revolutionaries are at wadi Hamrah
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Namarrgon posted:It is interesting how they quite clearly don't understand what they did wrong. In the mind of whoever is the spin-boss at the moment "she dressed provocatively" is probably a valid excuse. It is an otherwise impossible tiny insight in the mind of someone else.
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Jut posted:In all fairness, the 'she was asking for it' excuse DOES fly over there. I know, but the comments are probably mainly directed towards the Western world watching, not the local population.
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http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/03/201132814450241767.htmlquote:Qatar has recognised Libya's rebel council as the legitimate representatives of the Libyan people, a day after the group announced an oil contract with the Gulf state. I think this is pretty good news for the rebels. It is a step towards them being recognized as a legitimate government, and hopefully it will help fund them. Qatar is really being active in this whole thing.
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