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Xandu posted:Would you bring your family to a protest against the government if you knew that was going to happen to your child? No. I would be bringing whatever guns and homemade bombs I can get my hands on to the protest instead. Actions like that are a good way to speed up the trip to full on civil war.
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Isn't Yemen the society with the most firearms per person after the US? poo poo could get real nasty real quick. Already is, I spose.
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automatic posted:Isn't Yemen the society with the most firearms per person after the US? It's either Yemen or my sweet home Neutralistan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership PS: the Swiss technically don't own their rifles - they're just borrowed from the government. Warthog fucked around with this message at 10:15 on May 30, 2011 |
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May 30, 2011 10:13
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I've heard that Yemen also has significantly more firepower, due to the fact that fully automatic weapons are relatively uncommon in the US and....not so uncommon in Yemen.
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May 30, 2011 10:18
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automatic posted:Isn't Yemen the society with the most firearms per person after the US? If this continues, they could very well surpass USA as army depots get looted.
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May 30th Live Blogs Guardian LibyaFeb17 Fighting quote:
quote:Fierce clashes between Misrata freedom fighters and Gaddafi forces in Tawargha. At 5:10, a freedom fighter is seen talking with a group of elders from the city of Tawargha. The freedom fighter tells them that “no one will lay a finger on you. We are not against Tawargha, we are against the ones with guns. Tell your sons to give up peacefully and surrender. Please go and solve this problem, we do not want to hurt any civilians. We have people fighting on our side from Tawargha. I never said Tawargha was useless. And you’ll never hear that from me. Please go inside Tawargha and tell them to surrender. Talking quote:The South African president, Jacob Zuma is expected to arrive in Tripoli today with other Africa Union leaders for what is being seen as a last-ditch attempt to broker a diplomatic end to the fighting in Libya. Zuma will meet Muammar Gaddafi ahead of an expected escalation of the conflict this week when British and French attack helicopters join the fray. quote:The South African president will raise the death of photojournalist Anton Hammerl's death during Zuma's visit to Tripoli for talks Gaddafi, South African news organisation the Mail and Guardian reports, citing the South African Broadcasting Corporation reported. quote:As the African Union delegation is due in Tripoli to try to broker a ceasefire, Nato's secretary-general Anders Fogh Rasmussen has said the military campaign in Libya is achieving its objectives and pressure will be kept up until all attacks on civilians have stopped. In Yemen: quote:Hundreds of soldiers loyal to Yemen's embattled president Ali Abdullah Saleh have stormed a protest camp in the southern city of Taiz killing at least 20 people, according to medical official and witnesses. Witnesses said that troops fired on the crowds indiscriminately, AP reports. The city of Taiz has been a hotbed of anti-government protests since crowds began calling for Saleh to stand down in early February.
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Zuma has landed in Tripoli:quote:Reuters reports the arrival of the South African president in Tripoli:
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May 30, 2011 13:10
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Why does the west want Gaddafi gone?quote:Gaddafi offers oil and power to people
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May 30, 2011 13:50
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Do you take everything CQ says at face value?
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May 30, 2011 14:12
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automatic posted:Do you take everything CQ says at face value? Does anyone really take anything he says at any value?
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It's meaningless anyway, as Gaddafi has lost half of the oilfields, foreign workers have left the country and nobody is going to give a dime to Gaddafi even if he could export oil. He has no oil money to give to the people anymore. Maybe he should have made those offers a few months earlier?  Meanwhile, BBC's Andrew North comments: quote:One of Col Gaddafi's advisers admits the South African president's visit may be their last chance of a diplomatic way out, but says there's no possibility of the man they call the Brother Leader stepping aside - as both Nato and the rebels are demanding.
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May 30, 2011 14:22
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Read the article. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article5776215.ece The Sunday Times. Gaddafi offers oil and power to people The announcement has left diplomats and the 40 overseas oil companies operating in the country on edge. You can be sure greed and oil were behind the western imperialists decisions to forment demonstrations. They've been doing it since 1953 in Iran. The rioters would have been dealt with and Libya would again be a stable country. With the highest standard of living in Africa, and less poverty than many western countries. Only a small percentage of Libyan's supported the rebels, and the rebellion has only lasted this long because of western interference. It's time NATO stopped killing Libyan's.
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May 30, 2011 14:33
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His idleness posted:You can be sure greed and oil were behind the western imperialists decisions to forment demonstrations. In which way has the war improved the lot of western imperialists? The oil companies that had lucrative deals with Gaddafi are now unable to make profit. No one is getting any oil from Libya. Meanwhile there is uncertainty about the future and whether the new government will respect old contracts. I'm sure you can explain what makes this situation better for western imperialists than status quo? And since you say 'you can be sure', I suppose you also have clear evidence showing this, rather than mere speculation? Thank you!
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May 30, 2011 14:42
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Nenonen posted:It's meaningless anyway, as Gaddafi has lost half of the oilfields, foreign workers have left the country and nobody is going to give a dime to Gaddafi even if he could export oil. He has no oil money to give to the people anymore. Maybe he should have made those offers a few months earlier? This is why the oil companies used the British and French secret service to start a rebellion. This is why the leaders of the rebellion are being paid vast sums to take over Libya. By western governments and their masters the oil companies and international bankers. The exact same tactics were used to oust Mossadegh in 1953 in Iran, and what was he replaced with, a megalomaniac with the most brutal secret police in the middle east. Look at the trouble western imperialism caused for Iran and it's people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat The same is happening to Libya.
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May 30, 2011 14:45
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His idleness posted:The rioters would have been dealt with You're horrible. Just glance over the last page of this thread and see how exactly these dictators "deal with" rioters.
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May 30, 2011 14:46
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So the West created the uprising in order to get Libya's oil? You know, the oil which Gaddafi was already giving to them? 
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May 30, 2011 14:47
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His idleness posted:The article was from 2009. So uh...other than Mossadegh 58 years ago do you have any solid proof that "oil companies, the British and French secret services and international bankers" are in cahoots to bring down the majority supported dictator Qadaffi? How about any legitimate polling that says that most people want to live under him?
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May 30, 2011 14:49
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Finlander posted:Does anyone really take anything he says at any value? Apparently his idleness does.
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Ballz posted:You're horrible. Just glance over the last page of this thread and see how exactly these dictators "deal with" rioters. You try and burn the Whitehouse down and see how long you survive for.
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May 30, 2011 14:56
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His idleness posted:The article was from 2009. Ah, I missed that. So, did Gaddafi actually follow his words?
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May 30, 2011 14:57
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His idleness posted:There'd have been a couple of dozen deaths. Hahahha. Ok I guess you're just trolling. Widespread protests against a long standing dictator with no problem using violence for 41 years= a couple dozen deaths. Alright.
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May 30, 2011 15:00
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There's too many people believe the lies from the western media, embedded with the rebels, that are killing civilians that oppose them. This is about oil and western imperialism. Not protecting the Libyan people. You must be stupid if you believe it is.
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May 30, 2011 15:00
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His idleness posted:There'd have been a couple of dozen deaths. Um, what? A couple of dozen deaths? And you're trying to say that western democracies are just as brutal as these regimes by comparing an act of outright terrorism to simple protesting?
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May 30, 2011 15:02
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His idleness posted:There's too many people believe the lies from the western media, embedded with the rebels, that are killing civilians that oppose them. We'd really appreciate it if you bothered to actually back up your claims instead of making vague comments about imperialism and expecting us to take Gaddafi's words at face value.
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automatic posted:Hahahha. Ok I guess you're just trolling. It's still the oil stupid.
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ChaosSamusX posted:Um, what? A couple of dozen deaths? And you're trying to say that western democracies are just as brutal as these regimes by comparing an act of outright terrorism to simple protesting? Don't you remember that time when a million black men tried to march to Washington D.C. and the national guards just gunned them all down? Potomac ran red 
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May 30, 2011 15:06
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His idleness posted:Where have you been since 2000? Oh ok. Don't provide any facts, or proof or anything like that. 1. Back up your claims that the rebels are killing civilians in any appreciable number 2. Please provide proof for oil company involvement 3. Please provide proof of international bankers being involved 4. Please provide proof that the insurrection was started by the west If you can't, please shut the gently caress up.
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May 30, 2011 15:09
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His idleness posted:Where have you been since 2000? Yes, and we have challenged you repeatedly to explain how this war benefits the participating western nations with regards to oil in particular. You have been completely unable to do so.
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Crameltonian posted:We'd really appreciate it if you bothered to actually back up your claims instead of making vague comments about imperialism and expecting us to take Gaddafi's words at face value. What do you know about Libya, did you know the US has a higher level of poverty. Do you know they have free universities, hospitals, subsidised food and housing. This is about money. Don't you know there's hundreds of billions held in western banks, Gaddafi was going to give much of this money to the people, because the Libyan government were corrupt. Putin is again the only politician that sees this as a grab for oil. The rebels want control of the oil and money for themselves. Not to help the Libyan people.
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Nenonen posted:Don't you remember that time when a million black men tried to march to Washington D.C. and the national guards just gunned them all down? Potomac ran red Wikipedia posted:The Bonus Army was the popular name of an assemblage of some 43,000 marchers—17,000 World War I veterans, their families, and affiliated groups—who gathered in Washington, D.C., in the spring and summer of 1932 to demand immediate cash-payment redemption of their service certificates. Its organizers called it the Bonus Expeditionary Force to echo the name of World War I's American Expeditionary Force, while the media called it the Bonus March. It was led by Walter W. Waters, a former Army sergeant. Four died, over a thousand injured. Nothing compared to Libya in terms of magnitude, but still
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ChaosSamusX posted:Yes, and we have challenged you repeatedly to explain how this war benefits the participating western nations with regards to oil in particular. You have been completely unable to do so. How has the destruction of Iraq benefited the western nations? I hasn't, it's benefited the western oil companies immensely though.
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4 people died 87 years ago, what's your point? The bonus army was pretty drat close to an insurrection as well. It is a testament to the political system that more weren't killed....especially in the 20s.
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May 30, 2011 15:16
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His idleness posted:You seem to be taking your governments word at face value. That's a lot of bold assertions and not a lot of evidence. Are you able to support your claims in any way or are you planning to just scream about imperialism and oil until your theories magically come true?
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His idleness posted:Are you stupid. You seem. To have a learning. Disability. or maybe a problem with. reading comprehension Instead of bringing up recent historical events please address this quote:
Did the west also start the protests in neighboring Tunisia? Syria? Yemen?
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His idleness posted:Don't you know there's hundreds of billions held in western banks, Gaddafi was going to give much of this money to the people, because the Libyan government were corrupt. quote:The rebels want control of the oil and money for themselves.
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May 30, 2011 15:23
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Nenonen posted:Yes, this is normal. Dictators all over the world collect billions into their personal Swiss bank accounts because they want to give them to their people but don't trust their own government. Too bad that they couldn't just give all of that money to their people in the first place or change the government. But it's understandable, Gaddafi has only been in power for several decades so he just hasn't had the time to share his money. You are so nieve if you think this isn't about personal gain for the rebel leaders. The Brits had to go in and find figureheads for the western media because it started as a few hgundred demonstrators. Once they were offered money they came out of the woodwork. Still asking for money, to pay the Al Qaeda fighters from Afghanistan and Somalia. Mecenaries. His idleness fucked around with this message at 15:33 on May 30, 2011 |
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Wsobchak posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army#U.S._Army_intervention Yes, but it's a bit different than just protesting, though - the court told them to  from the barrack village that they had built without permission, after more than a month had passed, then they resisted police officers trying to evict them. Just imagine if Libyans could have protested for six weeks outside Gaddafi's home without the army or police intervening.
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His idleness posted:You seem to be taking your governments word at face value. I know this is GBS, but every time I hear about how great dictatorships are because of all the free healthcare, schooling, and everything else, it's usually followed by ACTUAL FACTS rather than posts that have no links or firsthand information. And really? A country that is 5 times larger has a higher level of poverty? DO TELL...
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Nenonen posted:Yes, but it's a bit different than just protesting, though - the court told them to If the protesters in Washington had done that, thousands would have been killed. As it was thousands were injured in a peaceful protest.
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His idleness posted:the vast majority of Libyans want no part of the rebellion. All that evidence that you have layed out on the table is compelling and I don't think anyone here seriously doubts any of your words. Truly, your wisdom has reversed our opinions 180º. Now, can we get back to reporting how the King of the Kings and Dear Brother Colonel Gaddafi is getting his rear end kicked by corrupt sycophants of western oil companies?
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