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If the president himself is near enough assassinated in his own compound then you have to wonder how much control his family will actually have left to wield
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quote:Reuters reports that minutes after at least six blasts were heard in Tripoli, Libyan television alerted the following written news flash: I wonder if they are talking about the planes flying sorties or if they mean revolution in the streets. vvv I dunno.. if the city hears clashes in the streets, the regime would want to tell everyone that they are "colonialist crusader aggressors" rather than freedom fighters bringing down the regime. Lascivious Sloth fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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Lascivious Sloth posted:I wonder if they are talking about the planes flying sorties or if they mean revolution in the streets. It would be unlikely they'd announce a street revolution.
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Oh my god they're doing donuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RPV-ZJxjGU&feature=related
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Okay, assuming Saleh is in fact in Saudi Arabia, the real question is what the Saudis will do now. The failed GCC plan is evidence that they've never treated the protests in Yemen like they did the protests in Bahrain. I.E. they're more willing to accept a change of government in Yemen. The government could decide it's in its best interest not to let Saleh back into Yemen (if he recovers) and to negotiate a good position for itself with a new government.Slave posted:If the president himself is near enough assassinated in his own compound then you have to wonder how much control his family will actually have left to wield The rumor is that it was actually someone in his family who planned it.
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Jun 5, 2011 02:53
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Xandu posted:The rumor is that it was actually someone in his family who planned it. Jeez, with family like that, who needs enemies?
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Jun 5, 2011 02:57
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Pureauthor posted:You'd think that the foremost concern would be ensuring he lives to see tomorrow, not trying his best to hold on to power that's rapidly slipping from his grasp. Brown Moses, what's "Kohl" in the case of this translation of the video? Young Freud, "toss the public face to save the regime"? (i.e. what some may be wondering about Egypt's ruling military council and Mubarak's "departure") Namarrgon posted:Yeah, people really are either that dumb or completely utterly convinced of their invulnerability and brilliantness never to get caught. Has it ever been acknowledged by the US government whether inside-the-compound helmet cam footage of the Abbottabad "kill bin Laden" raid actually existed?
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 Pictures are said to be from the presidential mosque where Saleh got hit.
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Celebration after news of Saleh's departure came out in Sana'a. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XzofHAAaD0 And the NYT reports the use of gunships in Syria. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/05/world/middleeast/05syria.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=globaleua2&pagewanted=print posted:Syrian tanks took up positions outside the city of Hama on Saturday, where tens of thousands of people took to the streets to mourn the deaths of at least 65 protesters gunned down by security forces there the day before. edit: It's also the Naksa anniversary today, but the Lebanese Army has warned Hezbollah to keep the protests away from the border this time. Something could happen on the Syrian border again though.
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Chortles posted:
Kohl is the dark eyeliner stuff that some Afghan men wear, I've never seen anyone wearing it in the parts of the ME I've been to (Egypt, Lebanon.) It's probably meant as a dig, like the dead guy was wearing makeup because he's gay or something. lovely banter by war criminals at least.
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Chortles posted:Young Freud, "toss the public face to save the regime"? (i.e. what some may be wondering about Egypt's ruling military council and Mubarak's "departure") I hadn't thought about that. I would assume it was a power grab by one of his allies, but a member of his own family killing him so that their clan may be able to survive was a thought I hadn't considered.
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Xandu posted:The rumor is that it was actually someone in his family who planned it. Where did you see that? I'm not too terribly surprised, just wanting to know more.
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I honestly can't remember, it was probably from twitter. I think the thought process is that nobody can get that close to the presidential mosque without being really close to Saleh, and most of his close associates are related at this point.
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suboptimal posted:Kohl is the dark eyeliner stuff that some Afghan men wear, I've never seen anyone wearing it in the parts of the ME I've been to (Egypt, Lebanon.) It's probably meant as a dig, like the dead guy was wearing makeup because he's gay or something. lovely banter by war criminals at least. Can you school me on the alcohol/ al-kohol/kohl thing? I tried to trace it but  Ogive posted:Oh my god they're doing donuts: Please tell me that can actually be a slightly useful tactic for rebels to avoid incoming.. anything? It could confuse incoming small-arms fire at least, yes? Paradox Personified fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Etymology This goes into it, but I'm still not clear how Kohl is related to alcohol.
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Xandu posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol#Etymology I was told the phrase came about because over-indulgence (or any at all) can result in darkening of the eyes, hence the name.
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More celebratory pictures from Sana'a, via Facebook. We so excited   edit: http://almasdaronline.us.to/index.php?page=news&article-section=1&news_id=20341 It says that Saleh left with most of his family, indicating that he doesn't plan to return. He still has some sons and nephews in charge though, and who knows what they might do. Xandu fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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Jun 5, 2011 06:49
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yep, dancing in the streets, called it. Wow, and this means Gadaffi outlasted Saleh, I don't think anyone would have bet on that happening.
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Israeli troops just fired on peaceful protesters at the Golan border. (Al-Jazeera Channel) The protesters were commemorating Edit: 4th casualty just now. Edit2: vvvv sorry for the typo, i got the two words mixed up. Sneakums fucked around with this message at 10:53 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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Jun 5, 2011 10:03
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Some more stuff from the Guardian Live Blog on Yemen:quote:The next thing, of course, is what happens next in Yemen. While Saleh's departure will thrill the many thousands of Yemenis who demonstrated for an end to his rule, some vested regional power interests will have their worries. Of particular concern for the likes of the US and Saudi Arabia is whether al-Qaida and other militant groups can consolidate their influence, especially in some southern regions already beyond the control of Sana'a. It's over for him now.
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Jun 5, 2011 10:25
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Sneakums posted:Israeli troops just fired on peaceful protesters at the Golan border. (Al-Jazeera Channel) They're commemorating the Naksa day, which is the anniversary of the day Israel occupied Palestine and the Golans.
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Brown Moses posted:Some more stuff from the Guardian Live Blog on Yemen: Wow. Who ever gave the intel to say all those people would be in that same place needs a major reward, as in effect they have incapacitated all the existing government and thus made the revolution succeed with relatively minimal bloodshed; which considering it was heading towards Civil war this means thousands of lives have been saved by just this one incident.
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Not likely. Decapitating the head only avoids bloodshed when there is someone who is ready to step in. This is just a power vacuum. Plenty of bloodshed to come.
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http://twitter.com/#!/ibnezra This guy is live tweeting the situation from Qalandia. I really wish news sources would specify if it's live ammunition or rubber bullets or whatever the gently caress when they say "opening fire" because most people will jump to the conclusion they're using live rounds, which isn't always the case. Nuclear Spoon fucked around with this message at 11:53 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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Jun 5, 2011 11:50
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A shorter NATO update for today:quote:Sorties conducted 04 JUNE: 130 More pressure being put on Brega, and it's interesting check points are being targetted in strikes in Brega, it suggests they are clearing the way for a rebel advance.
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What exactly were the details of the attack on Saleh? I got the impression it was a praying session of the big chiefs and some currently unknown person fired some sort of grenade inside?
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It was some sort of shelling, not sure if it was artillery or mortars.
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Young Freud posted:Jeez, with family like that, who needs enemies? It's like the old days of kings and emperors where everyone in your family wanted you dead to succeed you. I really hope if it was inside job that they're pro-democracy and not just opportunity killers.
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Spiky Ooze posted:It's like the old days of kings and emperors where everyone in your family wanted you dead to succeed you. I really hope if it was inside job that they're pro-democracy and not just opportunity killers. And I keep hoping to come home and find my house is now made of solid gold and diamonds.
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Namarrgon posted:And I keep hoping to come home and find my house is now made of solid gold and diamonds. Stop playing so much Minecraft.
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There's some reports of clashes in Al Khums, which is west of Zliten, although info is scarce.
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Sneakums posted:Israeli troops just fired on peaceful protesters at the Golan border. (Al-Jazeera Channel) Unfortunately, the only source for that news seems to be Syrian State TV, which is trying anything to distract from the massacres in Syria. Though if they were blowing this up for distraction purposes, 11 is a pretty low number
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CNN is reporting 'Eman al-Obeidy has left Libya and is on way to Malta, U.S. State Department source says.' So thankfully she seems to have made it out of this.
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Spiky Ooze posted:CNN is reporting 'Eman al-Obeidy has left Libya and is on way to Malta, U.S. State Department source says.' So thankfully she seems to have made it out of this. Following up on this, CNN says she will continue from Malta (with her Father) to Europe for processing. Afterwards she will potentially be sent to the US to live.
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It's a pity about the veracity of the figures for the Golan victims, both states aren't exactly believable actors here. We'll likely never know the true number of deaths I reckon. It's also interesting to see that Israel is on the same level of the Bahraini, Yemeni, Syrian and Libyan regimes. They're easily one of the worst, most evil regimes in the region yet because of their links to the US we in the West don't even think about it really. Just the other week their prime minister was absolutely fellated in the US senate address. The world's a funny place sometimes.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:It's a pity about the veracity of the figures for the Golan victims, both states aren't exactly believable actors here. We'll likely never know the true number of deaths I reckon. Preventing people who are not your citizens from violently attempting to enter your borders is different from firing on a crowd of peacefully-protesting civilians. That said, Israel better loving apologize. I am so glad I overslept the Israeli Day Parade today.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:It's a pity about the veracity of the figures for the Golan victims, both states aren't exactly believable actors here. We'll likely never know the true number of deaths I reckon. Is there a source for the attack on Golan protesters besides Syrian State TV? I'm not arguing, I'm just asking for a good source. E: Nevermind, just found about 5 or so separate sources. Although, is it really surprising we support Israel considering we also support Saudi Arabia? Also, this is related to the thread/current conversation I think. http://www.theonion.com/articles/government-official-who-makes-perfectly-valid-well,20499/ Lustful Man Hugs fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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ChaosSamusX posted:Is there a source for the attack on Golan protesters besides Syrian State TV? I'm not arguing, I'm just asking for a good source. Jerusalem Post is reporting the Syrian TV story with their own grain of salt commentary that there's no actual bodies or video evidence that anyone was killed, though some people definitely appear to have had their feet harmed. Prediction: this is called a massacre by the entire world until 2 years from now, when a comprehensive report shows that actually 3 people were just shot in the leg. Even Ha'aretz, the most anti-Israel of the Israeli papers, is reporting that the only death reports are from Syrian TV, and may in fact be related to avoiding reporting the 25 people just shot to death in Syria by actual Syrians in the north during a protest. dj_clawson fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jun 5, 2011 |
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It's interesting that people are equating Syria and Israel. Israel is definitely a hosed up apartheid state but there isn't a country in the world that would let violent protestors climb their borders and riot. I mean, come on. Sweden, Norway, UK, US, whoever- if Mexicans were violently anti American you can bet your rear end they'd be getting hosed up at the border.
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automatic posted:It's interesting that people are equating Syria and Israel. Israel is definitely a hosed up apartheid state but there isn't a country in the world that would let violent protestors climb their borders and riot. I mean, come on. Sweden, Norway, UK, US, whoever- if Mexicans were violently anti American you can bet your rear end they'd be getting hosed up at the border. Palestinians also protest within PA controlled areas all the time - sometimes with guns and suicide vests on display - and Israel does nothing about it unless it turns violent on its own. The part of Israel that is not the side that wants their own state and Israel dead is actually a stable, Western democracy with a free media and civil rights for its citizens and doesn't treat its women like poo poo. There are examples in Israel of when that's not the case, but they're exceptions to the general rule, just like people in America who are arrested thanks to the Patriot Act for stupid things they shouldn't be arrested for. People overlook things like that when they're cheering on Arab countries who are rushing to replace their oppressive regimes with honestly, some regimes that look only slightly less oppressive to their populations.
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