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kronix posted:The millage isn't awesome. On the highway it's fine thanks to that super low 6th gear but let's no sit and pretend that anything over 14-15 MPGs is going to happen on a car pushing 400 horsepower around in city driving. I'd really like to see Ford throw that start stop technology that BMW is using on the M3 on the Mustang because I think it'd help a lot. I get 17 MPG city in my 5.0. My commute is 8 miles (~20 minutes) of city streets ranging from 25MPH to 55MPH. If I drove it slowly and shifted no more than 3k RPM, I'm sure it'd get even better, but I love its acceleration. Also, on a recent trip, I got 26 MPG filling up just before getting on the freeway in San Diego and filling up again in SLO. That said, the gas tank on this car is ridiculously small haha.
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Devyl posted:Am I the first in thinking that this new Mustang is probably one of, if not the most, impressive Mustangs ever built stock from the factory? I mean think about it (and your right, phil)... What else will $35,000 get you, and you can have something that will outrun almost every car on the road? As well as retaining great gas mileage? I guess it's a nice change from the old days when every new model was slower/worse than the last?
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kronix posted:I was shopping the Mustang against the 370 and once the 5.0 hit my mind was made up. My Mustang is the fastest thing I've ever driven and I love it Yes, I almost bought a 370z in 2009 and so glad I didn't. Once I heard about the 11 GT I knew that was the car to get and I was right. Ordered one and I still love it one year later.
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frozenphil posted:Car Porn: All I can think of when I listen to that is "snort snort snort snort snort"
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sanchez posted:It sounds like a baby LS2 Ha, it really does kinda. Also, you will almost never see start/stop implemented on non-hybrids until the EPA fuel economy test is updated to account for it in ratings. Even though it does result in a significant real-world improvement, manufacturers don't want to spend the money on it because no improvement in MPG on the sticker = no improvement in sales.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Ha, it really does kinda. The only US market non-hybrid to have it is the Panamera. I guess with Porsche's volume it was cheaper to just leave it in rather than engineer a different, shittier drivetrain just for Americans like the others. The other problem so far is that conventional torque converter automatics which need the engine to circulate their fluid don't work well when the engine is constantly shutting off, which is why companies like BMW only had start/stop on the manual trans models. It's part of the reason the Euros are switching much of their lineup to dual clutch, which are more efficient to start with and also ready for start/stop out of the box.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Ha, it really does kinda. Are there no full stops in the current EPA cycle?
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Are there any options for piggy back / engine management to tune an old (94-95) 5.0 with a supercharger. We're running a tweecer now and it's a huge piece of poo poo.
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Slow is Fast posted:Are there any options for piggy back / engine management to tune an old (94-95) 5.0 with a supercharger. We're running a tweecer now and it's a huge piece of poo poo. Yeah, but they ain't cheap.
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frozenphil posted:Yeah, but they ain't cheap. Thanks Phil, I knew you'd have other options. Problem is, it's my fathers car and he loves cutting corners.... The tweecer is failing to write to the memory banks. It's just being a half assed piece of poo poo. I want to sell him on something else, but lord knows that wont do much. He'll probably end up trying to troubleshoot the tweecer with the company.
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Slow is Fast posted:Thanks Phil, I knew you'd have other options. Problem is, it's my fathers car and he loves cutting corners.... I guess you could always try Mega Squirt. 
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VideoTapir posted:Are there no full stops in the current EPA cycle? I think there are but they're required to keep the engine running, regardless of whether start/stop is installed. The EPA test is loving asinine.
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I thought Ford recently did a press release that announced that stop/start was going to be featured on all their models in the next several years. I hope cars with start/stop technology have a way to keep the AC working while the car is stopped, or it's going to be doomed in the hot parts of the US.
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Number_6 posted:I thought Ford recently did a press release that announced that stop/start was going to be featured on all their models in the next several years. I think with stop/start engines the accessories tend to be electric, not belt drive, but I'm not 100% on that.
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IOwnCalculus posted:I think there are but they're required to keep the engine running, regardless of whether start/stop is installed. The EPA test is loving asinine. How do they run the test then? Put the ECU into a service mode that doesn't turn off the motor?
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So Phil or whoever may be able to answer: I have a hypothetical. Given that it seems Boss 302's will be nigh-impossible to come by, especially without having a dealer gouge your eyes out, is there any list of changed/upgraded parts from the 2011 GT to the Boss? If I were to try to buy a GT with the aims of making it the functional (motor, handling etc.) equivalent of the Boss, would anybody know a part-for-part list I could consult?
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Von Gitten Jr.'s Coyote powered drift car being put together: http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.211281142241223.51109.150497078319630 It features a Revolution Automotive built Boss 302 engine and tuning, while MA Motorsports built the chassis, cage, suspension, electronics, ect ect. Here are some of the highlights: Forged Boss 302 Shortblock with Triangle speed billet oil pump gears ATI Balancer Boss cnc ported heads, exhaust ports hand massaged to match American Racing longtubes Hand ported Boss intake JPC/Rev Auto custom grind N/A cams utiliizing the Boss 302 higher lift exhaust cams L&M Throttle body Custom MA Motorsports cold air intake JLT oil seperator Exedy clutch Ford racing Boss 302R Magnum trans Ford Racing Driveshaft Ford Racing 5.0 4v control pack Rev Auto SCT custom tune Some Random rear end in a top hat posted:So Phil or whoever may be able to answer: I have a hypothetical. Given that it seems Boss 302's will be nigh-impossible to come by, especially without having a dealer gouge your eyes out, is there any list of changed/upgraded parts from the 2011 GT to the Boss? If I were to try to buy a GT with the aims of making it the functional (motor, handling etc.) equivalent of the Boss, would anybody know a part-for-part list I could consult? They aren't that hard to come by and you can find a dealer willing to do MSRP if you look around. That said, the engine is almost entirely different; so is the suspension and exhaust. Realistically, unless you plan on never modifying your car, you're better off starting with a regular GT.
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Just picked up a 2012 V6 Premium w/MCA package on Saturday.   Black leather, 6-speed manual, 3.31 rear end, and a couple other options--- Last 'Stang I drove was dad's 1998 Mustang GT 4.6l back in my high school days, and I still can't believe this Mustang is a 6-banger. The Kona Blue Metallic color is badass too. Definitely changes color based on lighting conditions.
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thetechnoloser posted:Just picked up a 2012 V6 Premium w/MCA package on Saturday. Sup Kona Blue buddy, nice car. I actually really like the war the car looks without the fogs. I dig the wheels, are they new for this year?
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kronix posted:Sup Kona Blue buddy, nice car. I actually really like the war the car looks without the fogs. I've got the small spot fogs in the lower grille-- can't really see em from the angle on there. The wheels are optional 18"s that you can get with the MCA package. I wanted better rubber than the 17"s (these wheels have pirelli pzero neros standard), but didn't want to pay for 19" rubber down the line either either. Here are some lovely unwashed pics I had on hand from the dealer, showing both.  
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Some Random rear end in a top hat posted:So Phil or whoever may be able to answer: I have a hypothetical. Given that it seems Boss 302's will be nigh-impossible to come by, especially without having a dealer gouge your eyes out, is there any list of changed/upgraded parts from the 2011 GT to the Boss? If I were to try to buy a GT with the aims of making it the functional (motor, handling etc.) equivalent of the Boss, would anybody know a part-for-part list I could consult? You're probably better off just not attempting to Boss-ify your GT. You're looking at a lot more than just slapping on the 302 intake runner and sticky tires. I have no idea where you'd find that exhaust right now and I'm not sure if you can get do anything to get launch control on your GT. http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/01-2012-boss-302-in-detail.jpg
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kronix posted:You're probably better off just not attempting to Boss-ify your GT. You're looking at a lot more than just slapping on the 302 intake runner and sticky tires. I have no idea where you'd find that exhaust right now and I'm not sure if you can get do anything to get launch control on your GT. Agreed. You could obtain a functionally equivalent or higher performing car through aftermarket for much cheaper on a base GT. And I'm not understanding the desire for launch control on a car that is supposed to be a road racer, not a drag car.
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Oxytocin posted:Agreed. You could obtain a functionally equivalent or higher performing car through aftermarket for much cheaper on a base GT. Standing starts are what the cool kids do.
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Oxytocin posted:Agreed. You could obtain a functionally equivalent or higher performing car through aftermarket for much cheaper on a base GT. Just saying it's something the Boss has that the GT doesn't, as well as that "race key" which is basically another tune which is accessible by using another key But yeah, good tires, some suspension work and a tune and you'll have more car than you'll be able to handle. The Mustang is a very very fast car and though I could be wrong, you're more than likely not a skilled enough driver to notice the difference between a lightly modified GT and a Boss. edit: need to proofread posts
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"Launch Control" on a manual trans is just a throttle based rev limiter, what's so difficult about that? Surely you can program that into the ECU aftermarket.
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Throatwarbler posted:"Launch Control" on a manual trans is just a throttle based rev limiter, what's so difficult about that? Surely you can program that into the ECU aftermarket. Yes, that is easy but the Boss allows you to set the launch RPM from the wheel, all the ECU modifications allow you to set it via the tuner. It's not that it's complicated, it's just not going to be as good as what's in the boss.
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kronix posted:Yes, that is easy but the Boss allows you to set the launch RPM from the wheel, all the ECU modifications allow you to set it via the tuner. It's not that it's complicated, it's just not going to be as good as what's in the boss. In the end though this and the "race key" are just licensed gimmickry. Collectible but fairly useless beyond that and easily replicated through aftermarket.
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Oxytocin posted:In the end though this and the "race key" are just licensed gimmickry. Collectible but fairly useless beyond that and easily replicated through aftermarket. If you want to switch tunes, a race key is reasonably convenient. Since the Boss doesn't have a nav screen, you'd have to do some hidden button routine to activate it. That'd be particularly annoying for launch control. I think the race key opens the sidepipes as well. I wonder how easy it is to unlock or port functionality like that over to a regular GT ECU.
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kimbo305 posted:If you want to switch tunes, a race key is reasonably convenient. Since the Boss doesn't have a nav screen, you'd have to do some hidden button routine to activate it. That'd be particularly annoying for launch control. I think the race key opens the sidepipes as well. I wonder how easy it is to unlock or port functionality like that over to a regular GT ECU. I guess this is where the "gotta-have-it factor" comes in. How badly do you need these features as convenient as they are to pay the mark-up for. I have a $70 Bama and Brenspeed tune that takes less then 3 minutes to install. As far as the exhaust is concerned, they've made electric exhaust cutouts as far back as I can remember. Edit for nerd analogy: I hate these kinds of discussions. It's like arguing about iPhone vs. Android. One has a more expensive locked* full-feature yet stable architecture, with the other being cheaper, open-sourced, more configurable and potentially higher-performing feature set. It's all preferential. *locked in the sense you generally don't want to modify or gently caress with a (warranted) collectible car. Thelonious Drunk fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jun 21, 2011 |
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Oxytocin posted:I guess this is where the "gotta-have-it factor" comes in. How badly do you need these features as convenient as they are to pay the mark-up for. At the track, my all modded up SVTF threw a code. I freaked out and fumbled with my XCAL for like 5 minutes trying to double check which tune I had on it. Turns out it was a legit IAT sensor failure from the supercharger working really hard, but if it'd been a Boss, I could have tried the normal key to see if it'd run better that way, and would maybe would have been able to make it back out to the session. In a lot of areas, the Mustang aftermarket is better than what you can get from the factory. For the Boss in particular, the suspension and specific motor setup is cheap compared to making a GT into a Boss replica. That's certainly not to say you couldn't make a GT as fast, just not through the same setup for the same dollar. I agree in general -- if the aftermarket could provide a special key to trigger a special tune, that'd be great. I'm sure somebody will decide to do it eventually. The Boss race key is $302, which would be a good price except that the ECU already comes with all the features, just blocked until you buy the key. At least there's the Boss Track Attack program, where if you can get to Miller Motorsports, you can run in some trainer Bosses for a few days to learn the car. That was probably something that irrationally tempted me.
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CombatWombat posted:Is that a Roush grille? Saleen.
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frozenphil posted:Saleen. I knew that piece would have legs 
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What is a good brand/place to get a new black convertible top for a 2003 Mustang? My dad's is tearing and coming apart because of the Arizona heat and dryness and not taking care of it. Would it come with a new glass back window, or would I have to transfer it over? I haven't looked into it a ton yet, but it looks like it wouldn't be very hard compared to others I have seen. I know part sources for old Mustangs, but I don't know what's good with the newer ones.
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Lowclock posted:What is a good brand/place to get a new black convertible top for a 2003 Mustang? My dad's is tearing and coming apart because of the Arizona heat and dryness and not taking care of it. Would it come with a new glass back window, or would I have to transfer it over? I haven't looked into it a ton yet, but it looks like it wouldn't be very hard compared to others I have seen. I know part sources for old Mustangs, but I don't know what's good with the newer ones. http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/ET-CTK6-BLK/2001-04-Mustang-Black-Convertible-Top-Kit They also have just the top if you don't need everything else. http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/ET-CT6-BLK/01-04-Mustang-Black-Convertible-Top
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My car which has been on a two year trip around Illinois dealing with miserable tuning experiences and general tomfoolery seems to finally be done (thanks to frozenphil's recommendation of Tim Barth @ Mr. Norm's Garage). Mickey said it's about a week away (that guy is awesome.) I went to their open house the other day to take a look at the car and just visit and really look around. I post in here because obviously I love Ford and Mustangs but my lord a Mr. Norm's Garage 2011 Cuda would be awesome. Anyways, I'll share some shots I took. Car should be all around bulletproof.  Hanging out in the garage. They were only doing dyno pulls/tunes that day. They had to modify the exhaust to fit the new transmission choice in. (Yes, as you'll see there is no longer a clutch.  Due to money/safety/consistency it made sense to ditch it.) That blue Mustang that looks like a full blown drag car has a full interior and a $5000 sound system. It's twin turbo and expected to push over 1200HP. They said the owner wants to drive it on the street and will never race the car. The only pass it will probably see is the one they make with it and that is it.   Don't usually have too many opportunities to get a good shot of the rear end / undercarriage. Pretty sure that'll hold. Strange 9" rear end, 4.10, spool, Strange suspension.  You can see the JW Turbo 400 and Kook headers. New K-Member and Canton Oil pan are pretty. Also see the monstrous cog setup that pulls the F1-A.  Here's a repost of a year old shot still being built.  Front end was customized a bit. The engine builder did a good job keeping functional fog lights. Haha.  Soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyReg61CgkU This was running all sorts of horrible with too much fuel and stuff still messed up. It pushed out 730RWHP without being properly tuned/configured on this pull. The paint makes me cry. It's in very good shape for its age but getting thrown around shops for two years its sad. It will see many hours of detailing ahead. This winter I'd like to get it redone and go with gold drag wheels and some loud color added with the white. I have an insane amount of other stuff to do to it and still have a brand new NX nitrous kit that can be put on it for whatever reason (traded cheap for it.) Going to go to a fuel cell as well. I'm actually really excited about going to an automatic. I'm not saying a really good driver can't run that power in a manual. It just wasn't a financially sound decision to stick with a manual with this kind of horsepower. It also takes out launching errors, bad shifts, etc. In a game where .01 of a second matters it was a better decision. The shifter (B&M Pro-Ratchet) is awesome. YouTube for an example of just how cool it is. VibrioCholera fucked around with this message at 15:35 on Jun 27, 2011 |
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VibrioCholera posted:I'm actually really excited about going to an automatic. Awesome stuff, man. I'm glad they were able to help you out. I may be just as excited to see this car finished as you are.
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