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MrL_JaKiri posted:The argument was that they didn't "get" KOTOR and so just made a shitter version of the first game. Same with Fallout. With KOTOR vs KOTOR2 I could understand that, but Fallout? "Yeah, gently caress those guys who invented Fallout! They just don't get it!" 
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poptart_fairy posted:Being completely Suave pisses them off, yes, and never gets you laid. Mixing it in with another approach and using it at appropriate times, however, cultivates friendship and can possibly lead to romance depending on mutual decisions and understanding. But what fun is that when you can have a one track minded Thorton blurb out the hottest pickup line he got in his cell phone on demand?  Seriously though, this game does great things when you mix and match dialogue approaches. Scarlet didn't like when I mouthed off lines from a low budget porno every time she'd talk to me.Also the tidbits of reviews recently posted make me upset.  I don't recall a RPG that nailed down conversations and cause/effect better than this one did. And how did they dislike KOTOR? My god, that's personal!
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Lotish posted:I initially avoided too much Sabotage because I was told long before I got the game that a bug or glitch would make the minigames more difficult if you over indulged in the skill. This is absolutely false. There is no such glitch. The game's difficulty simply scales the difficulty based on the number of AP you have spent total. So, if you put points in sabotage that aren't on the levels which decrease the difficulty, the difficulty has a chance of going up. But, that's true of every skill. Put points into shotguns, and hacking difficulty goes up.
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Billy Bob FORTRAN posted:EDIT: Am I the only one that lets feelings affect dialogue choices? I find myself using aggressive responses far more after a fight has pissed me off. (Sorry, Sis You're not alone there. I killed Brayko almost immediately when given the chance.
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poptart_fairy posted:Being completely Suave pisses them off, yes, and never gets you laid. Mixing it in with another approach and using it at appropriate times, however, cultivates friendship and can possibly lead to romance depending on mutual decisions and understanding. In my (mostly) Professional Recruit run, when I met Grigori, I figured since it was at a bar I should play it really casual, so I picked the Suave options since they indicated they'd lead to a lot of small talk and joking around, like asking about his health when he had the coughing fit. After business was done and Thorton was about to leave, Grigori stopped him for a moment to thank him for treating him like a human being, unlike all the other cold professionals and cowboys out there  It was a really heartwarming moment for me, especially when I read his completed dossier later on. Also got some nice perks.
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Pornographic Memory posted:In my (mostly) Professional Recruit run, when I met Grigori, I figured since it was at a bar I should play it really casual, so I picked the Suave options since they indicated they'd lead to a lot of small talk and joking around, like asking about his health when he had the coughing fit. After business was done and Thorton was about to leave, Grigori stopped him for a moment to thank him for treating him like a human being, unlike all the other cold professionals and cowboys out there Well now I feel bad about threatening and beating him.
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ChuckDHead posted:Well now I feel bad about threatening and beating him. That vodka's not gonna spill itself.
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Just beat my first run. Thoughts: -Holy poo poo pistols are overpowered near the end. (endgame spoilers) I beat Darcy in one charged shot and Westridge with a charged shot + intellect + charged shot in about six seconds. I had more trouble with the helicopter in the end but I'm pretty sure it would have been more damaging to just use the pistol than the rockets by then. -I'm 100% sure I need to make a second run through the game. (more endgame) When I got to the end and had to pick my final handler, the russian girl appeared as a grayed out choice and I realized I had never even met her in the game!? Overall I wonder how much I actually missed going through the entire thing. -Playing on medium sucks. Every time I got involved in combat it sucked. gently caress combat in this game forever, it's the only serious problem I had with the game. -The plot was a little bit too cliche. The amount of branching paths more than makes up for it but drat this game hit just about everything in the espionage plot playbook. -How much does going stealth vs. going all out affect the actual plot direction? Is it triggered more by being spotted or by alarms? I know leaving civilians dead can cause some things to change, but it seemed like there were a few points where even being spotted could come back and hurt you. -Lockpicking didn't actually bother me much. Until the endgame. Then I was ready to throw my mouse against the wall with the pixel-perfect picking. Overall, definitely pleased with the purchase. I'll probably go back to it next month when my exams are over, but seeing how I wasted about six hours on it today I think I need a break. Hope the guys behind the game's decision elements get another shot at it in the near future.
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Golashes posted:Just beat my first run. Thoughts: The "plot" doesn't actually change much regardless of what you do. The dialog and other communication (emails, etc) varies a ton though based on your actions. It's the same exact missions through the game (though as you noticed a few are missable) with some minor variations to said missions based on your choices. It is a testament to how well they made the dialog that it really makes you feel like there are really branching story lines.
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Mistikman posted:The "plot" doesn't actually change much regardless of what you do. The dialog and other communication (emails, etc) varies a ton though based on your actions. It's the same exact missions through the game (though as you noticed a few are missable) with some minor variations to said missions based on your choices. Yup it's still fun a few times through due to the differences in character builds and also which spy archetype you decide to stick with throughout the game.
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Golashes posted:-I'm 100% sure I need to make a second run through the game. (more endgame) When I got to the end and had to pick my final handler, the russian girl appeared as a grayed out choice and I realized I had never even met her in the game!? Overall I wonder how much I actually missed going through the entire thing. Wait, you can not meet said spoiler person? I thought that was guaranteed sort of thing. What did you do to not even make that encounter? Skip a mission?
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Lotish posted:Wait, you can not meet said spoiler person? I thought that was guaranteed sort of thing. What did you do to not even make that encounter? Skip a mission? That is exactly what I did and didn't even realize it. 
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Lotish posted:Wait, you can not meet said spoiler person? I thought that was guaranteed sort of thing. What did you do to not even make that encounter? Skip a mission? My guess is not following your lead to the trainyard and just going on to the missions you just unlocked, pretty sure both Moscow missions lead you to Surkov, and the "lead" missions all disappear once you meet him in the embassy. I'm pretty sure they don't have the alpha symbol on them until the very last mission/s.
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Jul 12, 2011 01:28
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Bought game on sale. Just started playing. The OCD, it is kicking in. Must have creepy old sociopathic spyman like me. Must have dickbag respect me. Must have Asian Chick generally cool with me. Must get exactly the right insouciant dick levels off with Morgan Freeman. aaaaa this game will do terrible things to me.
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Jul 12, 2011 01:48
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I had the opposite experience to missing SIE, I never really met Albatross in Moscow. I had met him in Taipei and agreed to his demands but somehow missed the boat mission where you save his bodyguard, it never came up, and he was greyed out at the end, I guess because I sided with SIE for the embassy mission - i'm guessing if you side with Albatross, it's SIE you defend the embassy from?
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Yeah I ust bought this game too because it was on sale, but I'm getting mouse stuttering that 1.1 didn't fix and the lines in the op made the game worse. Basically it looks like it doesn't know wtf to do with my mouse pointer at times. When I use any radial menues the mouse is every where and closes the menu a few times before I can get it to the correct position. Am I just screwed here and bought an unplayable game?
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Lotish posted:Wait, you can not meet said spoiler person? I thought that was guaranteed sort of thing. What did you do to not even make that encounter? Skip a mission? The exact same thing happened to me, interestingly (glad to know I'm not alone!). In Moscow I kept putting the railyard mission off, then after going to the US embassy mission it was no longer available. I didn't even know she existed as a character (she wasn't mentioned by anyone else) until I got to the final mission and saw her picture greyed out, then posted about it here. I'm still impressed that the game will allow you to miss a major character like that without breaking a sweat. I'm curious as to just how many characters it's possible to miss and still complete the game. The Illusive Man fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jul 12, 2011 |
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THE PWNER posted:I had the opposite experience to missing SIE, I never really met Albatross in Moscow. I had met him in Taipei and agreed to his demands but somehow missed the boat mission where you save his bodyguard, it never came up, and he was greyed out at the end, I guess because I sided with SIE for the embassy mission - i'm guessing if you side with Albatross, it's SIE you defend the embassy from? I think my last handler choice was even more odd. I used G22 and Albatross most of the game when available. Only had the one interaction with Sie in the train yard. During the final mission I couldn't pick Albatross for some reason, but Sie was an option. Didn't matter though, Heck was the correct choice. Up to Rome on my second playthrough. Recruit, professional with SMGs and toughness. The professional route is a bit bland compared to my mostly suave playthrough the first go around. I'm hoping the differences with it pick up in Rome, haven't noticed all too much yet. A few little things here and there which is cool. The SMGs are pretty drat fun though. Bullet Storm is awesome. Fun to try and get a few enemies grouped up and then pop BS and go to town.
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Space Racist posted:The exact same thing happened to me, interestingly (glad to know I'm not alone!). In Moscow I kept putting the railyard mission off, then after going to the US embassy mission it was no longer available. I didn't even know she existed as a character (she wasn't mentioned by anyone else) until I got to the final mission and saw her picture greyed out, then posted about it here. I heard her mentioned once and that was it. Never met her and I think I missed a boss battle or two as well. I know I missed (moscow, moscow) fighting Championchik, since I executed Brayko and I'm sure there's something else huge that i missed. All the more reason to do a veteran run later I guess!
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Golashes posted:I heard her mentioned once and that was it. Never met her and I think I missed a boss battle or two as well. I know I missed (moscow, moscow) fighting Championchik, since I executed Brayko and I'm sure there's something else huge that i missed. All the more reason to do a veteran run later I guess! Ha, what up character-missing buddy. At least you have a decent excuse for missing Championchik. In my playthrough, I let Brayko live and listened to him implicate Surkov, thus popping up a mission called 'prevent Surkov's escape' in the Moscow hub. However at that point I'm kind of burned out on Moscow, so I high-tailed it to Taipei - no big deal, since every game in history has taught me that mission availability isn't time-limited unless there's a big ticking clock on the screen. So I return after completing Taipei and... it's gone. Whoops. Kind of a bummer, but I mean, it's hard to get mad at a game when it actually does place a time limit on a mission with 'Prevent Surkov's Escape' in its title.
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poo poo, I was thinking about other time-limited things I encountered and just realized I didn't (endgame) talk to Parker over the intercom at the end after I reloaded once. I wonder if that affected anything.
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Golashes posted:poo poo, I was thinking about other time-limited things I encountered and just realized I didn't (endgame) talk to Parker over the intercom at the end after I reloaded once. I wonder if that affected anything. You can turn him to your side using logic 
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Brayko's such an amazing scumbag. You read his dossier and he's the sickest puppy in the game, I think. But his fight, while hard, is so god damned amazing that I can almost forgive him. Then he tries to pimp his sisters on me. Why you gotta be a skeezball, bro?
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Lotish posted:Brayko's such an amazing scumbag. You read his dossier and he's the sickest puppy in the game, I think. But his fight, while hard, is so god damned amazing that I can almost forgive him. Then he tries to pimp his sisters on me. Why you gotta be a skeezball, bro? I feel like I'm the only one that had an easy time with this fight! I just charge shotted him at the beginning and ran away while he tried to kung fu me, then charge shotted his body guards, then repeated three or four times and it was over. I honestly thought it was the easiest boss in the game (excluding anything when my pistols were maxed out, because that was just silly)
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I've finally started playing this game quite a bit. I chose Tapei as my first choice, and it is great. Steven Heck is the greatest, and he seemed so giddy to help with the final mission there. What a great game, stabbing people in the neck hasn't gotten old yet.
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Golashes posted:I feel like I'm the only one that had an easy time with this fight! I just charge shotted him at the beginning and ran away while he tried to kung fu me, then charge shotted his body guards, then repeated three or four times and it was over. I honestly thought it was the easiest boss in the game (excluding anything when my pistols were maxed out, because that was just silly) Ugh, for some reason I took the Moscow hub first so I had to fight him at level 8. I think my chain shot skill was only up to its first level. I finally semi-cheesed it by chain-shotting him, then activating shadow agent (also only at its first level) when he snorted cocaine, thus causing him to lose me and also never spawning his bodyguards. After about 10 minutes of that it was over. 
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Vizrt posted:I think my last handler choice was even more odd. I used G22 and Albatross most of the game when available. Only had the one interaction with Sie in the train yard. During the final mission I couldn't pick Albatross for some reason, but Sie was an option. Didn't matter though, Heck was the correct choice. re: spoiler You probably couldn't choose Albatross because he was dead. If he was your handler for Brayko's mansion, he was kidnapped and tortured, and you had the choice between him and the Halbech data, and if you chose the data Albatross died and was not an available choice for the endgame.
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gohuskies posted:re: spoiler That wasn't it. Which is why I'm a bit confused. During that mission [Moscow] I saved Albatross during the interrogation. I would just consider it a bug, but I'm guessing I just missed something as to why that happened.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The argument was that they didn't "get" KOTOR and so just made a shitter version of the first game. Same with Fallout. Yeah I think this is wrong, but I'm biased. Not because I used to work for Obs, but because I'm not a raging moron.
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Vizrt posted:That wasn't it. Which is why I'm a bit confused. During that mission [Moscow] I saved Albatross during the interrogation. I would just consider it a bug, but I'm guessing I just missed something as to why that happened. Well that is odd
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gohuskies posted:Well that is odd It's actually because he didn't find the secret room at Marburg's house. If you don't find it AND you saved Albatross in Moscow AND you spared Sis AND you created precisely 64 orphans on the Taipei warehouse level then Albatross can't show up for the final mission because there's been a volcanic eruption in Iceland and travel by air is down. THIS loving GAME
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Golashes posted:I was confused on why he wasn't available for me as well because I hit the same conditions for him. Maybe he didn't like me enough? He wasn't a choice for me either, but I didn't think it was odd since I went out of my way to make him hate me. "It's Sis' locket... it's got an image of St. George. Guess it didn't protect her from me." 
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Space Racist posted:He wasn't a choice for me either, but I didn't think it was odd since I went out of my way to make him hate me. You get the option to contact G22 as a mission in the final hub, even if you pissed him off. And if you killed Sis, you can goad him into invading the Graybox and breaking you out just so he can kill you personally. Maybe you passed over the mission or something.
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Oxxidation posted:And if you killed Sis, you can goad him into invading the Graybox and breaking you out just so he can kill you personally. I did attempt this, but wasn't able to convince him. Oh well, I probably would have picked Steven Heck anyway.
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On my first playthrough I was big buddies with Albatross and I still couldn't choose him for the final mission. I spared Sis, I kept it Professional when speaking to him, I saved his life at Brayko's mansion, and I removed the bugs when he asked. He even sent me an e-mail just before the last mission expressing interest in working with me again.
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Huh, I thought it was because I was dead neutral to him that I couldn't pick him either. I got some good will sparing Sis, then pissed it away getting Sis's rep up with the locket, even though she basically never comes up again. Come time for the final mission, I never got a chance to talk to him. Course, I did cut him out of the final Moscow mission.
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Chasiubao posted:You can turn him to your side using logic Regarding Parker in the end game, I managed to turn him to my side in my first professional game, and when I did my sleazy suave veteran run through I did roughly the exact same conversation options to try and turn him to my side... and he just dismissed it all because Thorton was a well known bullshitter.
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