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ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


kuribo posted:

So it seems that all of a sudden, my Tab key no longer brings up the PDA, and escape no longer brings up a menu. Escape simply pauses it, requiring backspace to unpause.

I'm going to have to reinstall, aren't I?

If you're in Taipei for the first time, try following Mina's advice to use the shower - I seem to recall someone else having the same problem there.

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Nehru the Damaja
May 20, 2005

Slantedfloors posted:

The pre-built histories are basically just a skill template, and don't do much past a couple of comments at the start of the game (I think :tinfoil:). There's a couple of new conversations for each history, and they're mostly in the Greybox at the beginning.

You also get a couple comments in Rome. But they're so minor that not even the replaying obsessives among us should bother going for it.

Soonmot
Dec 19, 2002

Entrapta fucking loves robots




Grimey Drawer
I've had this game since release. I am just now trying a hard run. I'm cheesing it with a veteran pistol/stealth/toughness build with significant points invested in sabotage and martial arts. Let us see how many times I throw my controller.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


Slantedfloors posted:

The pre-built histories are basically just a skill template, and don't do much past a couple of comments at the start of the game (I think :tinfoil:).

Having particular skills tagged, whether by having a history or having selected them manually, changes a few cutscenes slightly, showing off your core competencies.

e:

ToxicFrog posted:

If you're in Taipei for the first time, try following Mina's advice to use the shower - I seem to recall someone else having the same problem there.

Hahaha! "Man, this place sucks. I think I'll go check out the other hubs...WTF?!"

I found it even funnier if you go there last.

CCKeane
Jan 28, 2008

my shit posts don't die, they multiply

Chortles posted:

Thanks for the advice re: class choices, so far I'm looking at Soldier with Pistols 3, Shotguns 2, Assault Rifles 1, whereas Recruit seems to start with no points at all, so I'm not so sure about it as "my first-ever AP playthrough."

Edit: If I do go with a basic history though, does the +2 Accuracy/Recoil Control justify any points in AR, or should I just go Shotgun 3 or Technical Aptitude 3 instead?

P.S. I should point out that I'm going for a "go shooting" build.

Focus on one weapon. Pistols is the most highly recommended, obviously.

If you're going for a "go shooting" build I'd pump up stealth to awareness, go for shotgun or pistols, then pump up toughness. I actually REALLY like toughness but eh.

Tech ap. is good for brilliance, sabotage is good to assist in hacking, but I think you can just kick doors down and shoot.

Slantedfloors
Apr 29, 2008

Wait, What?

Doc Hawkins posted:

Having particular skills tagged, whether by having a history or having selected them manually, changes a few cutscenes slightly, showing off your core competencies.
That's less of a agent history thing and more of just how you're choosing to level though.

The flying kick off the bridge to the Al-Samad Leutenant is awesome and is the number one reason to take martial arts.

GO FUCK YOURSELF
Aug 19, 2004

"I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who beat you, and pray for them to beat the shit out of the Buckeyes" - The Book of Witten

Doc Hawkins posted:

Hahaha! "Man, this place sucks. I think I'll go check out the other hubs...WTF?!"

I found it even funnier if you go there last.

This is one of my favorite paths to encounter in the game because it's so hilarious.

kuribo
Aug 2, 2003

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.

Bo-Pepper posted:

There are alternate buttons that bringup the menus within the PDA. Then you can navigate the PDA from there. Try "I".

Also, for some reason the Escape key doesn't seem to exit me from the PDA. But Right Click does.

No, I mean escape no longer brings up anything at all. No save / load screen, no "PAUSED" during conversations, any of it.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

evilmiera posted:

Did you ever get help for this? I recall having the same kind of problem, but I don't really recall the solution. Think I tried re-installing various drivers and using different settings, but it has been a while since then.

No I didn't and thanks for the answer though. I really would love to play this game. I'm a big fan of western rpgs and from the first 15mins that I could stomach playing it seemed awesome and right up my alley.

I just can't play the game though if it doesn't quite understand where my mouse pointer is. I'm pretty sure that is what is causing the stuttering too when I look around since it doesn't quite understand the mouse pointer then it tries to catch up to where it was when I moved.. It's like it's going back and forth between windows and the game.

I have no idea what to do, but it certainly has made this game unplayable for me. I can't use radial menus or move into new areas without the game glitching to hell and back. Why do I keep buying obsidian games! They are the new Troika to me. :) The only Ob game that I've been able to play all the way through without a game stopping bug has been Fallout: NV.


So yeah if anyone knows how to fix this mouse situaion let me know. I already patched the game and even tried the lines in the op for the ini file (which made everything way worse).

An Ounce of Gold fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 12, 2011

ugh whatever jeez
Mar 19, 2009

Buglord
About Embassy mission...

So I talked my way in and took care to only use tranq ammo and fists (and assault rifle on a couple of turrets) but Albatross sent me this message http://i.imgur.com/TgTmS.jpg like I had left a pile of corpses on the way? Conversation with Leland after was also like that. Did I gently caress up something? Mission recap had 0 kills and total kill count didn't increase either. :confused:

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

white hum posted:

About Embassy mission...

So I talked my way in and took care to only use tranq ammo and fists (and assault rifle on a couple of turrets) but Albatross sent me this message http://i.imgur.com/TgTmS.jpg like I had left a pile of corpses on the way? Conversation with Leland after was also like that. Did I gently caress up something? Mission recap had 0 kills and total kill count didn't increase either. :confused:

It sounds like he's okay with your kill count but wasn't okay with you speaking to the guards at the front door.

Slantedfloors
Apr 29, 2008

Wait, What?

white hum posted:

About Embassy mission...
You're reading it wrong. He's congratulating you on doing it with minimal casualties, even if he disagrees with how you got in.

GO FUCK YOURSELF
Aug 19, 2004

"I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who beat you, and pray for them to beat the shit out of the Buckeyes" - The Book of Witten

Slantedfloors posted:

You're reading it wrong. He's congratulating you on doing it with minimal casualties, even if he disagrees with how you got in.

This email always struck me as a weird missing tag. Albatross wants you to sneak in through the back door (he's all about stealth), but that automatically flags you as having killed Marines. When you walk up and "introduce" yourself, he's upset that you've blown your secrecy (which flags you as having hosed up, but only with him). That's the way it's always come across to me anyway, because that's the only way you get the "didn't kill Marines" flag. Also, you won't lose rep with Albatross and there's only more time after that when you'd run into him anyway. I'm referring to Brayko's mansion, although I think you can hire a hitsquad for the train yard, but I don't remember if that has to come before the Embassy mission.

EDIT: I was wrong and corrected it.

GO FUCK YOURSELF fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 12, 2011

ugh whatever jeez
Mar 19, 2009

Buglord

Slantedfloors posted:

You're reading it wrong. He's congratulating you on doing it with minimal casualties, even if he disagrees with how you got in.

Oh, I thought he was lecturing me about leaving too many corpses :)

the_american_dream
Apr 12, 2008

GAHDAMN
So ready to go on my America Fuckyea run with shotguns on veteran

Chinaman7000
Nov 28, 2003

the_american_dream posted:

So ready to go on my America Fuckyea run with shotguns on veteran

I hope you picked the beard that's larger than the rest of your head.

Slantedfloors
Apr 29, 2008

Wait, What?

white hum posted:

Oh, I thought he was lecturing me about leaving too many corpses :)
He's saying that your method left very few corpses to provide evidence.

He's still stupid though. I mean, even if you kept all the VCI/G22 goons alive, they still attacked a loving US Embassy and killed a bunch of loving Marines. That poo poo is going to be investigated by every single loving intelligence agency and police organization in the loving world.

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Chinaman7000 posted:

I hope you picked the beard that's larger than the rest of your head.

With either a ushanka or swamp hat. This is obligatory.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


SymfonyMan posted:

So yeah if anyone knows how to fix this mouse situaion let me know. I already patched the game and even tried the lines in the op for the ini file (which made everything way worse).

I've never heard of an issue like that, but people with other mouse issues have reported that playing with a controller worked fine even when the mouse controls were completely hosed, so if you can stomach aiming with a controller you might try that.

rawdog pozfail
Jan 2, 2006

by Ralp
Holy gently caress I never took the time to read the Hand-to-Hand tree and just discovered the flying knee after 2 playthroughs with maxed out hand-to-hand :pwn:

kuribo
Aug 2, 2003

Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow. Ow.

Scorchy posted:

loving weird. Go into Documents/Alpha Protocol folder and rename your APGame folder to something else, then restart the game and see if it's still doing it.

Not only did this work, it reduced my load time too. :psyduck: Thanks!

I wanna say, too, that I love how if you play this game like an anti-social killing machine, the game does a really good job of making you feel like you're no better than a terrorist. When I chose to execute the guy at the abandoned shop in Rome, I cringed a little when Mike simply said, "Shut up and let me do my job." It sounded like something a terrorist from 24 would say.

Also, walking up to Madison when she's in your hideout, looking at her, and just saying, "Bitch."

poptart_fairy
Apr 8, 2009

by R. Guyovich

kuribo posted:

I wanna say, too, that I love how if you play this game like an anti-social killing machine, the game does a really good job of making you feel like you're no better than a terrorist. When I chose to execute the guy at the abandoned shop in Rome, I cringed a little when Mike simply said, "Shut up and let me do my job." It sounded like something a terrorist from 24 would say.

On the flip side...when/if Mina tries to deconstruct this approach in the end game, Mike will have an answer for drat near everything. You are never actively punished or told one course of action is explicitly, OOCly wrong.

Obsidian. :allears:

Scorchy
Jul 15, 2006

Smug Statement: Elementary, my dear meatbag.

Nehru the Damaja posted:

You also get a couple comments in Rome. But they're so minor that not even the replaying obsessives among us should bother going for it.

Tech Specialists get some bonus cutscenes, though how much of that is from an increased Sabotage skill I don't quite know. Specifically Tech Specialists can do both options at the Brayko mansion just like a Veteran. Mina goes, oh Mike we can't do both, you have to pick one. And Mike's just like, sure you can do both, just upgrade this and hack that, easy peasy :smug:.

An Ounce of Gold
Jul 13, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

ToxicFrog posted:

I've never heard of an issue like that, but people with other mouse issues have reported that playing with a controller worked fine even when the mouse controls were completely hosed, so if you can stomach aiming with a controller you might try that.

I don't own a controller, but if I can't find a fix then I may go out and buy one just to play this game.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

poptart_fairy posted:

On the flip side...when/if Mina tries to deconstruct this approach in the end game, Mike will have an answer for drat near everything. You are never actively punished or told one course of action is explicitly, OOCly wrong.

Obsidian. :allears:

He really won't. Mina's got a good set of varying "what the gently caress, Mike?" speeches for each approach, but Mike's response is always the same and really limp-wristed, basically amounting to "nuh-uh!" It's especially priceless if you've gone the psychopath route, as Mike is talking about how agonizing and morally challenging his missions are after shooting half the world's espionage profession in the head with a wisecrack and a smile.

The Viper
Oct 4, 2009
Oh no! Disaster has struck for my traumatised agent! After doing six consecutive no-kill missions in a row, those bastards I brought along with me killed a number of chinese special forces. AND THEN SUNG GOT KILLED. OH GOD I WAS JUST TRYING TO SAVE THOSE PEOPLE WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME?!? All the Stephen Heck in the world cant console me.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

The Viper posted:

All the Stephen Heck in the world can't console me.

Both you and I know that this is untrue, so why post it.

Davin Valkri
Apr 8, 2011

Maybe you're weighing the moral pros and cons but let me assure you that OH MY GOD
SHOOT ME IN THE GODDAMNED FACE
WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR?!

The Viper posted:

All the Stephen Heck in the world cant console me.

Steven Heck breaks the fingers of people who call him "Steve". I wonder what he would do if he knew you spelled his name wrong. Anybody?

Freak Futanari
Apr 11, 2008

Davin Valkri posted:

Steven Heck breaks the fingers of people who call him "Steve". I wonder what he would do if he knew you spelled his name wrong. Anybody?

The goddamn bees?

Vizrt
Oct 1, 2009

Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brotha', I hurt people.
I missed it the first time during the end game mission, and I don't want to miss it this time around. Where is the room with Mina and Scarlett(?) in it?

The Viper
Oct 4, 2009
Operation YEAAAHHHHH!

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Vizrt posted:

I missed it the first time during the end game mission, and I don't want to miss it this time around. Where is the room with Mina and Scarlett(?) in it?

Scarlet: After speaking to Parker/Deng on the big screen, turn and go down the hall. She's in the first door on your right.

Mina: When Leland/Westridge is making his little "YOU MUST CHOOOOOOSE" speech, she's in the door on your left.

Vizrt
Oct 1, 2009

Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brotha', I hurt people.

Oxxidation posted:

Scarlet: After speaking to Parker/Deng on the big screen, turn and go down the hall. She's in the first door on your right.

Couldn't open that door. I guess I didn't meet some requirement this playthrough. Was able to find the other one though, thanks.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Vizrt posted:

Couldn't open that door. I guess I didn't meet some requirement this playthrough. Was able to find the other one though, thanks.

The door can always be opened. There is no requirement, unless you maybe neglected to get in touch with Scarlet in the final hub.

Vizrt
Oct 1, 2009

Grass grows, birds fly, sun shines, and brotha', I hurt people.

Oxxidation posted:

The door can always be opened. There is no requirement, unless you maybe neglected to get in touch with Scarlet in the final hub.

Ya, I didn't bother with her this playthrough. Figured that was why. I'll have to include it in my next run.

Just unlocked Veteran, but I think I'm going to give it a break for a bit before I do my third run. I haven't messed with gadgets at all, so I think I'll use them heavily the next time around. Also, outside of the first meeting I haven't interacted with Sie at all. So going to make that a priority.

The second run was pretty cool though. During the final mission I was able to turn both Marburg and Parker. Also, I didn't know that the last boss could be Westridge or Leland. I actually didn't encounter Westridge at all during the final mission this time.

Slantedfloors
Apr 29, 2008

Wait, What?

Vizrt posted:

The second run was pretty cool though. During the final mission I was able to turn both Marburg and Parker. Also, I didn't know that the last boss could be Westridge or Leland. I actually didn't encounter Westridge at all during the final mission this time.

Westridge only cares enough to show up if you've put America at risk with your actions - killing American agents/soldiers or partnering with Al-Samad/Halbech. Otherwise he fucks off while the going's good.

Slantedfloors fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Jul 12, 2011

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Vizrt posted:

Ya, I didn't bother with her this playthrough. Figured that was why. I'll have to include it in my next run.

Just unlocked Veteran, but I think I'm going to give it a break for a bit before I do my third run. I haven't messed with gadgets at all, so I think I'll use them heavily the next time around. Also, outside of the first meeting I haven't interacted with Sie at all. So going to make that a priority.

The second run was pretty cool though. During the final mission I was able to turn both Marburg and Parker. Also, I didn't know that the last boss could be Westridge or Leland. I actually didn't encounter Westridge at all during the final mission this time.

Westridge is only there if you take Leland's offer to side with Halbech, or spare Shaheed and agree to help him bring down the United States when you meet him at the final hub. Otherwise he just goes "too old for this poo poo" and does a quick fade once it's clear that Alpha Protocol is out of his hands.

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

Who can't you kill or allow to be killed in this game?

Fairly certain that you can't kill Grigori, Hong Shi, or Heck and that you have to choose between SIE or Albatross. Anyone else?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Pretty sure Albratross doesn't need killing, he just leaves you alone like he did for me.

Going to give it a break before my veteran run through, full psychopath with shotguns and grenades. Can anyone recommend a similar game? I've completed Deus ex a load of times and completed the leak of the new one, need something to last until the full release.

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Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

BattleMaster posted:

Who can't you kill or allow to be killed in this game?

Fairly certain that you can't kill Grigori, Hong Shi, or Heck and that you have to choose between SIE or Albatross. Anyone else?

Nope, that's it; aside from what's written here, anyone in the game can be made dead by the end of the game.

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