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Kitfox88 posted:What the sam hell. I just started the Moscow Embassy mission in my veteran run, but this time I chose SIE as my handler instead of Albatross. Now G22 are rampaging inside instead of VCI troops. I didn't think he'd take it THAT hard that I went with her instead. It's a level design contrivance. There are only so many enemy factions in the game. Originally it was al-Samad but they were getting too much screen time and we didn't want the game to be another "shoot 1,000 muslims" game so I guess at some point the call was made to let it go flipsie like that. I think the underlying rationale is that both VCI and G22 want to get their hands on Surkov and you are just a handy tool. If they don't get you to do it for them, they do it themselves. No, there's no reason given for either side to need to kidnap/kill Surkov, because I think it's just supposed to be one of those things left unspecified.
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Look at it this way: if you work with them, they have an expert on the inside. If you don't, they need another plan. ^^^^ Yes, okay, like that.
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Jul 16, 2011 05:06
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Yeah, it's not upsetting me or anything, I just wandered if there was a deeper meaning to it beyond that.  Also This loving Game. I just reached Sukhov while wearing the tier 3 utility armor and he was all "Oh man are you one of these terrorists too? Your armor's similar but you don't have the silly goggles." EDIT: What the gently caress, the guards inside the embassy were red so I punched them out this time, and then at the end mission screen I get 'THORNTON TOTALLY ATTACKED LIKE ALL THE GUARDS AND KILLED THEM', so now I get to redo the mission. God dammit.  I just ran it a second time and despite purposefully avoiding said problem it did it again. Changed the armor too just in case, but no go, so I'm guessing it's a bug. Son of a bitch. 
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Jul 16, 2011 05:08
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I think it was a mistake doing a non-lethal stealth recruit my first time, although it seemed to fit the personality. It was boring and frustrating to make a mistake (or encounter an engine quirk), considering when I load a checkpoint NPCs don't spawn 50% of the time and the game crashes 10% of the time. I haven't had to reload at all with my SMG/AR "kill everyone" veteran, which is refreshing. I should have done things the other way around.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:07
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Well, this is apparently a known bug that crops up, I didn't have any issues like it my first time through and I basically non-lethal'd everything in reach because it was such a blast to run up and flying knee people in the face. I'm hoping if I go do some other mission first it'll stop, because I really don't want to restart this run if I don't have to.  Or wait, were you trying to ghost stuff? I was frustrated too before I realized stealth is genuinely only there to let you get into advantageous positions to take down guys.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:08
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Kitfox88 posted:Yeah, it's not upsetting me or anything, I just wandered if there was a deeper meaning to it beyond that. Yeah similar thing happened to me in that final protection type battle. I had guards and G22 attacking me while the guards didn't attack Sukhov but G22 did. It was pretty annoying actually.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:13
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Kitfox88 posted:EDIT: What the gently caress, the guards inside the embassy were red so I punched them out this time, and then at the end mission screen I get 'THORNTON TOTALLY ATTACKED LIKE ALL THE GUARDS AND KILLED THEM', so now I get to redo the mission. God dammit. AFAIK, the only way to avoid the bug is to [Moscow] talk your way into the embassy. I seem to have run into some glitches in the finale of my second playthrough: [finale] Scarlet complained about me costing her the Sung contract even though I let him die; also, the newsreel says Leland went missing from his office even though I left him alive to be dragged through the courts. I suppose the latter one could be explained by Westridge escaping and helping him go underground.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:23
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Just wanted to let the thread know that I picked this up during the sale as a result of reading posts about it on here, played through and finished it last night and it was incredible. I'm sorry I missed it when it first came out, and from the sounds of it there won't be another? Tragic. Thanks guys, for putting me on to a game I never would have given a chance otherwise. For anybody reading who's on the fence, the game has flaws-- but it's so, so worth it.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:25
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ephori posted:Just wanted to let the thread know that I picked this up during the sale as a result of reading posts about it on here, played through and finished it last night and it was incredible. I'm sorry I missed it when it first came out, and from the sounds of it there won't be another? Tragic. Incorrect. Now get back in there and give Thorton a shotgun and a pissy attitude!
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Jul 16, 2011 06:27
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Lazyhound posted:AFAIK, the only way to avoid the bug is to [Moscow] talk your way into the embassy. Can you do that if you didn't get it put on high alert? If not I'm hosed.
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Kitfox88 posted:Can you do that if you didn't get it put on high alert? If not I'm hosed. You totally can. Just be cool about it.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:33
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Veteran option made it easy peasy. Thank god.
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Jul 16, 2011 06:51
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I started as a soldier (sneaking around in combat armor, and going assault rifle when that inevitably went tits-up) and God, I love this game. Gonna play through again as a suave, Bond-ish stealth/tech... Recruit. Because every "Suave" option sounds more like "teenager who thinks he's suave". I decided I might as well play off of that.
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Jul 16, 2011 07:08
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Both games I swear I didn't kill any marines at the embassy and it said I did. Actually, the first time I took to the roof and knocked out a guy and they turned red (psychic?), maybe that was related. The speech thing may very well be the only way, for some reason. But I don't care right now since I'm executing everyone, even when it doesn't make sense making Mike give weak rationalizations for it. Next game I'll be suave with lethal stealth and see if my opinion of it improves.
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Jul 16, 2011 08:44
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It's a confirmed bug according to the wiki, at least. I bluffed my way past the guards and the bug was fixed, which was nice. 
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Jul 16, 2011 08:48
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Ze Pollack posted:Sie is not the kind of person who says 'no' when presented with an opportunity to kill people. You may have noticed this. Yeah, but (endgame) kill the guy she works for? Without even getting a better offer from a guy she said "hi" to in passing once? Still seems weird to me. Unless Albatross was pissed that I let Brayko live. I guess I'd be pissed off if my friend had the opportunity to kill the guy that kidnapped me and tortured me and let him walk. If that's the case, he didn't mention anything about being upset. I still think he's an ungrateful douche. 
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Jul 16, 2011 13:07
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Sheen Sheen posted:Yeah, but (endgame) kill the guy she works for? Without even getting a better offer from a guy she said "hi" to in passing once? Still seems weird to me. They don't get on. Like, at all. You actually lose rep with one if you've got a decent relationship with the other.
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Jul 16, 2011 13:32
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Sheen Sheen posted:Yeah, but (endgame) kill the guy she works for? Without even getting a better offer from a guy she said "hi" to in passing once? Still seems weird to me. If you read her files, SIE really hates Marburg. Anything that pisses him off makes her happy and vice versa. It's a bit of a leap, but being given the opportunity to really get at him by helping Thornton out is probably enough of a better offer.
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Jul 16, 2011 13:35
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Finished my recruit run. Man, focusing on weapons rather than stealth makes this game a whole lot less frustrating (and I say this as somebody who liked the Splinter Cell "if you're seen once, the mission's over"-levels). What determines whether you get Westridge or Leland as the end boss? I figured this depended on whether you chose to join Halbech or not, but I got Westridge this time even though I told Leland to gently caress off. Also, having Heck shoot the lights out of Scarlet and Leland at the end was loving awesome. epitaph fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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epitaph posted:Finished my recruit run. Man, focusing on weapons rather than stealth makes this game a whole lot less frustrating (and I say this as somebody who liked the Splinter Cell "if you're seen once, the mission's over"-levels). You also get Westridge for actions that are hostile to America. Killing the CIA agents in Rome or the enbassy guards in Moscow can get him to show up.
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Jul 16, 2011 15:04
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Lazyhound posted:AFAIK, the only way to avoid the bug is to [Moscow] talk your way into the embassy. You can still screw it up by walking past the rooftop door if it's open. Even if one of the loving embassy guards opened it. 
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Jul 16, 2011 15:57
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ChuckDHead posted:If you read her files, SIE really hates Marburg. Anything that pisses him off makes her happy and vice versa. It's a bit of a leap, but being given the opportunity to really get at him by helping Thornton out is probably enough of a better offer. Even cooler is that if you have finished Rome and killed or pissed off Marburg, SIE brings it up in conversation and you get a +1 or +2 rep right at the start.
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Hypocrisy posted:It's been a while since I went through my recruit run so I can't really confirm anything. Now I'm set up in the Saudi Arabia safehouse, think I'll stick with the starting pistol (with Silencer and Pistol Laser Sight) and the starting Shotgun for a "semi-stealth run". By the way, can I respec any time in Saudi Arabia or only after dealing with Shaheed? (I ask this since I want to do the "kick the lieutenant" moment but I don't know if that's a cutscene or a "no detections allowed" takedown.)
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Chortles posted:Now I'm set up in the Saudi Arabia safehouse, think I'll stick with the starting pistol (with Silencer and Pistol Laser Sight) and the starting Shotgun for a "semi-stealth run". By the way, can I respec any time in Saudi Arabia or only after dealing with Shaheed? (I ask this since I want to do the "kick the lieutenant" moment but I don't know if that's a cutscene or a "no detections allowed" takedown.) AFAIK, you can only respec at the end of Saudi Arabia when you get to choose your specializations. (Mini boss in Saudi Arabia)It's a cutscene that plays if you make it to the middle of the bridge there without getting detected. You can do it without any points in stealth or pistols. It took a few reloads, but I was able to do it. Just shoot the first guy in the face with a critical shot from the pistol. Move up along the wall on your left and wait by those crates until both of the remaining guards have turned their backs to you. Then, you just move quietly for the bridge and ignore the guards and that's it. Just be aware of the guy patrolling on top so he doesn't spot you either.
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In Training posted:Even cooler is that if you have finished Rome and killed or pissed off Marburg, SIE brings it up in conversation and you get a +1 or +2 rep right at the start. If you have a decent reputation with her and do Rome after Moscow, killing Marburg will result in an e-mail being sent where she remarks she had to change her underwear after being informed you'd killed Marburg. Um, thanks SIE, thank you. 
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Someone in the old thread posted about getting this exchange with Marburg after a game of mostly professional dialogue options (I can't find it now to quote exactly) -- Marburg: [reveals Deus Vult] Thorton: [aggressive dialogue option] Marburg: I never knew seeing you lose control would be so satisfying. If you've experienced this yourself, 1) when in the game does it occur, 2) and do you need to have chosen the professional dialogue with everybody up to that point (because THIS GAME) or just him?
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Category Fun! posted:You also get Westridge for actions that are hostile to America. Killing the CIA agents in Rome or the enbassy guards in Moscow can get him to show up. I think that case you also get Westridge if you agree to Shaheed's help. Shaheed at the end of the game will ask if you're willing to put yourself before America, and if you agree Mike will say "Well it's not like I'm working in their best interests right now anyway." or something to that effect. Torsade de Pointes posted:AFAIK, you can only respec at the end of Saudi Arabia when you get to choose your specializations. (Mini boss in Saudi Arabia)It's a cutscene that plays if you make it to the middle of the bridge there without getting detected. You can do it without any points in stealth or pistols. It took a few reloads, but I was able to do it. I think that spoiler is also bugged because I've gotten it by shooting him in the face while on the ground as well as by sneaking up to the bridge with him on the far end. marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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Xander77 (I think) requested this a while back, and I've finally gotten around to putting it together: (big time endgame spoilers) it's what happens when you tell Marburg about Parker's involvement in Deus Vult. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttNh2j-sZVE EDIT: Lotish posted:I think that spoiler is also bugged because I've gotten it by shooting him in the face while on the ground as well as by sneaking up to the bridge with him on the far end. There's two slightly different cutscenes that play out here: if you sneak up on him Mike kicks him off the bridge, while if you get spotted Mike hits him with a karate chop to the throat that sends him over the railing. Lynx fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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Lynx posted:Xander77 (I think) requested this a while back, and I've finally gotten around to putting it together: (big time endgame spoilers) it's what happens when you tell Marburg about Parker's involvement in Deus Vult. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttNh2j-sZVE If you do this, can Marburg still Do the "Go gently caress yourself, Leland exchange later, or do you have to kill him in the data room?
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Lynx posted:Xander77 (I think) requested this a while back, and I've finally gotten around to putting it together: (big time endgame spoilers) it's what happens when you tell Marburg about Parker's involvement in Deus Vult. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttNh2j-sZVE This is awesome, thank you.
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So, I started a new game, intending to make my Thorton a crazy murderer terrorist type, and I couldn't. I had trouble killing the Sheikh and the Arms Dealer, and I point blank couldn't be rude to Mina. 'Being a dick to Darcy' is apparently the extent of my psychotic evil.
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The Viper posted:So, I started a new game, intending to make my Thorton a crazy murderer terrorist type, and I couldn't. I had trouble killing the Sheikh and the Arms Dealer, and I point blank couldn't be rude to Mina. 'Being a dick to Darcy' is apparently the extent of my psychotic evil. Don't worry about The Sheik, you get a second chance to ice him after he's helped you out. Now that's even more of a dick move.
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Lynx posted:Xander77 (I think) requested this a while back, and I've finally gotten around to putting it together: (big time endgame spoilers) it's what happens when you tell Marburg about Parker's involvement in Deus Vult. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttNh2j-sZVE I cannot imagine anyone else as Marburg other than Jim Cummings. The man was perfect for that role.
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ChuckDHead posted:Don't worry about The Sheik, you get a second chance to ice him after he's helped you out. Now that's even more of a dick move. No, but it wasn't a mistake, or a glitch, it was my conscience... This is why I always play the most goody two-shoes clean cut guy in every game. I am a boring, boring man.
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The Viper posted:No, but it wasn't a mistake, or a glitch, it was my conscience... I can't help but feel like killing a man responsible for blowing up a passenger jet probably isn't the worst thing you could do. I will admit, though, it is amazing how cold it tends to be when Thorton executes someone.
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I really like that you can do AP totally kill-free (within reason). One of my pet peeves is games that let you slaughter thousands and then act like it's some moral choice whether the big boss lives or dies. It's kind of an uncomfortable metaphor, if you think about it. It's like, these plebeians don't matter, their death is both expected and unmourned, it's only between us powerful folk that any mercy is shown. It bums me out a little.
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poptart_fairy posted:I cannot imagine anyone else as Marburg other than Jim Cummings. The man was perfect for that role. What's even better is you could say the same thing about Winnie the Pooh. The guy's good at VA.
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The Viper posted:No, but it wasn't a mistake, or a glitch, it was my conscience... I have real trouble with that sort of thing too. You're not alone. Hell, I can't even be a dick in management games. For example, I am incapable of playing Tropico 3 as anything other than a full-on welfare-stating egalitarian socialist who allows free elections and never puts anything into his Swiss bank account.
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The Viper posted:I really like that you can do AP totally kill-free (within reason). One of my pet peeves is games that let you slaughter thousands and then act like it's some moral choice whether the big boss lives or dies. It's kind of an uncomfortable metaphor, if you think about it. It's like, these plebeians don't matter, their death is both expected and unmourned, it's only between us powerful folk that any mercy is shown. It bums me out a little. In that case it's more consistent to murder every big boss to show equality. Though in fairness, in AP, not killing the big boss isn't really about showing mercy so much as it's about completing your mission. John Charity Spring posted:I have real trouble with that sort of thing too. You're not alone. I want to try an rear end in a top hat run, but I suspect I'd have trouble being rude to Mina (aside from the M1lfluv3r email, most of those are unpleasant) then deliberately leaving her to die or killing Sis. ChuckDHead fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jul 16, 2011 |
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Plus then you get an "awesome" email from Albatross.
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