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Yeah I'm debating not putting many points into sabotage for just this reason. Having just one level in it for my first play through made all minigames until halfway through the endgame mission completely easy(..on easy).
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drat, being mean and distrustful of Madison makes Thorton into a mean sonofabitch.
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Soonmot posted:Yeah I'm debating not putting many points into sabotage for just this reason. Having just one level in it for my first play through made all minigames until halfway through the endgame mission completely easy(..on easy).  Spending points at all makes minigames harder. Spending points in sabotage makes them easier. Having huge amounts of AP and spending them on everything but sabotage will make them as hard as possible, within the constraints of the difficulty level.In any case, you really don't need to edit the level chart to become an unstoppable god; playing on Veteran will give you more AP that you will ever need without causing the difficulty scaler to go insane and try to kill you.
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IanCaw posted:I know that I didn't have Parker's completed dossier, but he TRIED to kill Marburg and just failed. That is always what happens when you do what you did. Look at the two characters in question and tell me how it could play out any differently. If it's any consolation, doing this does wound Marburg before you fight him. Not that you usually need any help, but I find that moment of "But who could have...Thorton!  " super-satisfying.
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Jul 19, 2011 19:51
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Doc Hawkins posted:That is always what happens when you do what you did. Look at the two characters in question and tell me how it could play out any differently. I just wish there was a better way to rub it in Parker's face a bit more. "The acceptable losses aren't so acceptable when one of them is your daughter, are they?" But really, turning the two against each other (whichever way you do it) is pure karmic backlash and it's great.
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Just finished my first playthrough as a smug, suave son of a bitch. One question before I start another - does Thorton's general attitude and demeanor change based on your usual responses? Thorton seemed to joke around and have a flippant attitude even when I wasn't choosing those types of responses, so I was wondering if that was something that would change if I took a more professional or aggressive approach, or if he is just that way no matter what.
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doctor iono posted:Just finished my first playthrough as a smug, suave son of a bitch. One question before I start another - does Thorton's general attitude and demeanor change based on your usual responses? Thorton seemed to joke around and have a flippant attitude even when I wasn't choosing those types of responses, so I was wondering if that was something that would change if I took a more professional or aggressive approach, or if he is just that way no matter what. Sometimes he does snark a bit when you don't control him, but there are also a couple of times where his default response to something is based on your general stance throughout the game so far. I think "snarky" is probably his default personality.
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I just finished a recruit play through of the game to unlock veteran mode on a fresh install and I think I figured out which file unlocks it. In your [Documents]/Alpha Protocol/Profile folder there should be a file called ProfileOptions.dat. By comparing the file before and after finishing the game there is a single byte change in the file. In my version it is address 000000400 and it's value changes from 00 to 03 as highlighted below. I've also uploaded my version of the file if anyone wants to take it and use it to try and possibly unlock veteran straight away. Although I'd still recommend you do it the proper way by beating recruit. http://www.mediafire.com/?vtendwt3h5hodyh Hank Morgan fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Jul 19, 2011 |
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Jul 19, 2011 21:55
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Doc Hawkins posted:That is always what happens when you do what you did. Look at the two characters in question and tell me how it could play out any differently. I agree with your point, considering analyst vs hardened field guy, but the discussion here has always seemed to indicate that it is totally possible to have the opposite outcome. Maybe I read too much into the redacted spoilers everywhere.
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gohuskies posted:I am thinking as a challenge for my next playthrough, putting zero points in either Stealth or Pistols. That includes no Awareness. I would go Vet so I would have plenty of other skill points but I don't know how it would work. It could imagine it being really not-fun but it's definitely doing something different. It's not bad at all, really. I just did a Recruit run with nothing but Assault Rifle, Martial Arts, and Toughness. And one point in Sabotage so I could use EMPs on hackable computers. Assault rifles are really good if you want a run and gun kind of game, and flying knee from Martial Arts is just hilarious on anyone who gets too close to you.
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Hahaha, I love playing as a recruit already. Mina: *some joke about Darcy and Thorton getting in a cage match over her* Thorton: "We have to do a cage match?  "How heavy is veteran on extra dialogue? I've heard there's not much for recruits after orientation.
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doctor iono posted:Hahaha, I love playing as a recruit already. It's gives you about the same amount of chooses in training but it also changes a few choices and snippets of npc dialogue in the rest of the game.
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doctor iono posted:Hahaha, I love playing as a recruit already. There's a bit more Veteran dialogue options than Recruit. Also, some situations Mike handles differently on Veteran. There's at least one very distinct decision that I can recall off the top of my head.
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Jul 19, 2011 23:23
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The first time Mike and Darcy meet, Veteran Mike says exactly what I want him to say.
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Jul 19, 2011 23:28
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Veteran throws in some hilarious flavor lines from Mike, too. Mike in the crypt and possibly "A lot of fuckin' stairs", but I'm not sure if that's specific to Vet.
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I think one of the devs here mentioned Veteran was kind of the developer's cut version of the game, so some stuff that was a little too weird or 4th wall breaking was thrown into there.
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Jul 20, 2011 06:01
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Game's five bucks on GamersGate, so now would be the absolute best time to try to convert friends and family. http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-ALP/alpha-protocol
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Holy Calamity! posted:Veteran throws in some hilarious flavor lines from Mike, too. Mike in the crypt and possibly "A lot of fuckin' stairs", but I'm not sure if that's specific to Vet. The only thing specific to Vet is that face on his PDA at the start. Though on one playthrough I think I remember Mike humming his own theme music in the crypt.
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Crap, I think I screwed up my "Judge, Jury, Executioner" run. Shot Brakyo, didn't get the opportunity to hunt down and shoot Surkov too; think I skipped past the part where Brakyo lets you know Surkov set you up. Oh well. I'm still enjoying the hell out of this game.
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Speedball posted:Crap, I think I screwed up my "Judge, Jury, Executioner" run. Shot Brakyo, didn't get the opportunity to hunt down and shoot Surkov too; think I skipped past the part where Brakyo lets you know Surkov set you up. Oh well. I'm still enjoying the hell out of this game. Yeah, you kinda blew it there. I did the same thing. Feel free to vary up your next rear end in a top hat run. I recommend doing it the first time as a cocky shotgun rear end in a top hat, and then after that, a professional stealth pistol smoothtalking psycho killer.
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Luisfe posted:Game's five bucks on GamersGate, so now would be the absolute best time to try to convert friends and family. O god! I spend my well earned money on this game! Now lets hope it is any good, a well I will see in a few hours. gently caress me, I downloaded it from there, then when it was done downloading it started installing, all fine. Then it came to the launcher, and install was still running in the background. So I was like, I dont wanna play it just yet. So closed the launcher and let the install finish. So okay all done, now I wanted to start te game nothing happens. Tried all the shortcuts.. so I'm like lets reinstall it.. the downloader dont want to start up either.. what the gently caress is going on..  .
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Holy Calamity! posted:Veteran throws in some hilarious flavor lines from Mike, too. Mike in the crypt and possibly "A lot of fuckin' stairs", but I'm not sure if that's specific to Vet. He says "A lot of fuckin' stairs" in every play through
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Other than the mini games, is this game dramatically better on either Keyboard or 360 controller? I have both, but I generally prefer keyboard. Also, is hard ridiculously hard or playable on a first play through?
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TotallyGreen posted:Other than the mini games, is this game dramatically better on either Keyboard or 360 controller? I have both, but I generally prefer keyboard. I played through it with a keyboard/mouse and it was fine. The ini file fixes in the OP helped the hacking minigame a lot, though by the end I was just EMPing computers and keycards since they are a pain in the rear end at higher difficulty levels. Lockpicking was never too difficult with a mouse though. edit: I played on Normal as a Rookie and didn't have any problems until the Brayko fight. The camera would hitch and stutter and on each transition between phases if I were running, Mike would stop and would often get two-shot by that rear end in a top hat. There's also one fight at the end that was frustratingly difficult for similar reasons. Jankyness and glitches in the controls were the hard part, not the fights themselves. You can straight up break the game by the end of the first tutorial hub even as a rookie if you spend your points right. It's not difficult at all. Valen fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Jul 20, 2011 |
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TotallyGreen posted:Other than the mini games, is this game dramatically better on either Keyboard or 360 controller? I have both, but I generally prefer keyboard. I've heard the 360 controller makes the mini games easier and helps with the camera issues on the PC version. I've never verified it myself because I have the xbox version.
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How does the lockpicking minigame work with mouse and keyboard? On the 360, you press down on the analog left trigger and then press the right trigger to set the pin. Pressing a keyboard button and dragging the mouse don't seem like reasonable analogues for that sort of action. Lockpicking is also the worst loving minigame, half because of the brutally unforgiving precision required and half because failing it usually means an alarm goes off.
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404notfound posted:How does the lockpicking minigame work with mouse and keyboard? On the 360, you press down on the analog left trigger and then press the right trigger to set the pin. Pressing a keyboard button and dragging the mouse don't seem like reasonable analogues for that sort of action. e: Whoops! I misread "lockpicking" as "hacking" because I'm dumb Category Fun! fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jul 21, 2011 |
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404notfound posted:How does the lockpicking minigame work with mouse and keyboard? On the 360, you press down on the analog left trigger and then press the right trigger to set the pin. Pressing a keyboard button and dragging the mouse don't seem like reasonable analogues for that sort of action. It's extremely simple on the PC with the mouse which sort of makes up for the hacking game being pretty miserable. You just have to drag the mouse up or down to correctly align the pins, then hit LMB. etalian fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jul 21, 2011 |
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It's still kind of  because the game doesn't sync the mouse speed and the lockpick move speed, merely treat the mouse like an analog stick.
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404notfound posted:How does the lockpicking minigame work with mouse and keyboard? On the 360, you press down on the analog left trigger and then press the right trigger to set the pin. Pressing a keyboard button and dragging the mouse don't seem like reasonable analogues for that sort of action. I found it ridiculously easy with a mouse, the only time I hosed it up was when I accidently hit "EXIT" when clicking to lock the bars in place which sets off alarms for some reason.
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THE PWNER posted:I found it ridiculously easy with a mouse, the only time I hosed it up was when I accidently hit "EXIT" when clicking to lock the bars in place which sets off alarms for some reason. Yeah mouse is sensative enough that it is very easy to do even the hardest locks before the timer even comes close to running out. The one baffling point is that the target point and what feels like it should be the target point are not quite the same thing, but the pin highlights when aligned so it's not hard.
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TotallyGreen posted:Other than the mini games, is this game dramatically better on either Keyboard or 360 controller? I have both, but I generally prefer keyboard. I just finished a veteran stealth/pistols run on Hard. I've played this game almost a dozen times and all hard mode does is magnify the game's shortcomings. Normal difficulty is the sweet spot.
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Will I find recruit hard as my second play through? I did my first as normal difficulty and a field agent and there were really only two or three parts that I found hard.
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Red_Fred posted:Will I find recruit hard as my second play through? Not in the slighest, especially if you've already had a playthrough to get used to the mechanics. Just don't play it on Hard mode, and you'll be fine.
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Red_Fred posted:Will I find recruit hard as my second play through? Honestly, if you're not going after an achievement, I don't see any reason to play this on anything other than Easy. If you're pistol sniping, headshots are still a 1 hit kill if you crit, and bad guys still spot you the same. The biggest difference I saw was the hacking minigames, and those are easy enough to get around anyways. Easy just lets you play the story, which is the draw of the game anyways.
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Yeah, hard is pretty much strictly achievement-only. Not only are the minigames impossible, but unless you invest heavily in your pistols and parts for them, you're going to find yourself pulling undetected critical headshots that don't kill people. In other words, you're up against enemies who can straight up survive a bullet to the head and immediately alert their friends.
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THE PWNER posted:I found it ridiculously easy with a mouse, the only time I hosed it up was when I accidently hit "EXIT" when clicking to lock the bars in place which sets off alarms for some reason. I did this too. Even the highest level lockpicks are a joke with a mouse, it was kind of nice since I needed all of my EMPs for computers and key cards. Red_Fred posted:Will I find recruit hard as my second play through? I did my first run on Normal as a Recruit. The only problems I had were with janky controls. By the end of the first hub I had more then enough points to break the games combat and make everything a joke, and it only got more hilariously broken from there.
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Haledjian posted:Is the main menu supposed to make grunting noises? I dunno, this just made me laugh out loud. There's just something about imagining just some dude grunting manly-ily whenever you move the highlight. v Well to answer your question seriously: no. No, it really isn't supposed to do that. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Jul 21, 2011 |
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The White Dragon posted:I dunno, this just made me laugh out loud. There's just something about imagining just some dude grunting manly-ily whenever you move the highlight.  Actually it's more of a getting-punched grunt than a manly grunt.
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