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Jut posted:Just like they thought logically when looting, rounding up black guys and performing executions CQ would have been proud of. Well, here's hoping Post-Gaddafi Libya isn't too violent.
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I'm pretty sure the heavy equipment (tanks, AA guns) will be requisitioned by the army - they're not exactly easy to hide or supply in ammo. While they may not be automatic assault rifles, there's plenty of guns in the US and many of their owners would be pretty pissed if the government tried to take them away. They feel like their forefathers fought for the right to bear these arms; the rebels just fought with theirs for their freedom. Here's an article about Qatar's involvement in the military campaign : http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/08/tiny-qatar-flexed-big-muscles-in-libya/
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Brown Moses posted:This Economist article is a great primer for understanding the structure of NTC and it's military. Kind of reminds me of how the American rebel army was structured ca 1776.
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The unneeded weapons will probably end up in sub-Saharan Africa eventually, where they'll sadly be put to use in some capacity.
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Arkane posted:The unneeded weapons will probably end up in sub-Saharan Africa eventually, where they'll sadly be put to use in some capacity. Maybe, but maybe not. It's a guess but Qaddafi may likely be the biggest small arms proliferator on the continent. Who knows how many guns probably ended up transitioning out of his reserves into the hands of African militiamen? Do you think he was going to keep these arms in his inventory if he crushed the rebels?
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pretend I posted these articles instead http://blogs.channel4.com/world-news-blog/caught-up-in-somebody-elses-war/18046 http://www.hrw.org/news/2011/08/28/libya-gaddafi-forces-suspected-executing-detainees Xandu fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 28, 2011 |
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Do you really want to open up that can of worms in this otherwise informative thread?
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 22:19 |
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Yes, please lets keep the thread focused on updates rather than speculation. I don't want to backseat mod, but Arms proliferation/Gulf Expat stories could really use their separate threads cause they have spilled into this thread and others before. Anyhow, strange things going on in Bahrain: Bahrain king pardons some protesters quote:Bahrain will dismiss charges against some people detained during a deadly government crackdown against pro-democracy protests earlier this year, the Gulf nation's king said in a televised speech to the nation. This stuff is very similar to what's been said in Syria and Egypt before more protests started. Anyone have other articles that bring some insight to this? Or is there room left for Dialogue and Effective Reform ™ ?
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# ? Aug 28, 2011 23:04 |
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For the most part, the actual protests in Bahrain have been over for a while, but they've spent the past few months going after "dissidents" (including doctors) and firing them from their jobs or putting them on trial in secret military courts. Parliamentary elections are coming up in September to replace the Shia delegates that resigned earlier in the year, and al-Wifaq is threatening to boycott the elections. The article doesn't go into it, but my guess is this is a move to placate the opposition and give the appearance, especially to the international community, that everything is fine. edit: Especially since there's still a small possibility of F1 not returning. Xandu fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Aug 28, 2011 |
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Khamis may (or may not) be dead:quote:The possibility of Khamis el-Qaddafi’s death has been reported at least twice before. On Sunday, a rebel leader, Col. Ahmed Bani, said at a news conference that attempts were under way to identify the dead from a confrontation on Saturday about 50 miles from Tripoli, but that the captured survivors had identified themselves as bodyguards assigned to protect Khamis el-Qaddafi. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/world/africa/29libya.html?_r=1&hp
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 00:40 |
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feb17.info posted:http://feb17.info/news/libya-live-unrest-august-27-2011-2/
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Lascivious Sloth posted:It's cool guys I liked you better all along Lascivious Sloth posted:Gaddafi is a bad man Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 07:18 on Aug 29, 2011 |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14705004 TL;DR, Guy who was found guilty of Lockerbie has been found in a coma (so looks like he was terminal in the end), some people in Scotland and the US want him extradited, NTC said GTFO he's staying in Libya.
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Jut posted:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14705004 What's the point of extraditing a comatose and dying man? I am one of those who think he shouldn't have been released from Scotland but what's done is done now and it genuinely looks like he's living out his very last days now.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:What's the point of extraditing a comatose and dying man? I am one of those who think he shouldn't have been released from Scotland but what's done is done now and it genuinely looks like he's living out his very last days now. I'd imagine the people who want him extradited again even now are the same who have been doubting how sick he really is since the time of his release. I agree with you that extradition is pointless now, but given the guy had "three months to live" two years ago I'm hardly astonished at rumors of deceit in it all.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:What's the point of extraditing a comatose and dying man? I am one of those who think he shouldn't have been released from Scotland but what's done is done now and it genuinely looks like he's living out his very last days now. Kill him quicker? I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but I've always been wary of his guilt in the first place. That Palestinian theory seemed to hold some water. That being said, I've also read a couple of stories in the past week that seems to reaffirm his guilt.
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Some interesting Tweets from the last few hours Martin Chulov of the Guardian in Tripoli quote:Dr in #Tripoli hosp told me #Gaddafi's daughter Hannah who worked there ordered staff not to treat rebel wounded over past 6 months Zeina Khodr of AJE in Tripoli quote:Still no running water in many areas of #Tripoli, electricity erratic, Neal Mann of Sky News in Nawfaliyah, 50km east of Sirte quote:Rebels are consolidating their position around Nawfaliah,expecting some NATO air strikes on Gaddafi's forces position between here & Sirte Jonny Hallam of the BBC, also in Nawfaliyah quote:a little boy just came up to me in #Nawfaliyah and asked if I had any chicken. they have not had chicken here since March. Piers Scholfield of the BBC, in Ras Jdir on the Tunisian-Libyan border quote:At Ras Jdir border crossing. Quiet, some Libyan families queuing to go home, children hanging revolutionary flags out the car windows. There were also protests in Misrata last night quote:Misrata rebels defy Libya's new regime Andrew Simmons of AJE tweeted about the protest: quote:Last night's Misrata protest New Faces New Libya peaceful. No celebratory gunfire. Mainly civilians.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:What's the point of extraditing a comatose and dying man? I am one of those who think he shouldn't have been released from Scotland but what's done is done now and it genuinely looks like he's living out his very last days now. I'm sure its all just bluster. The prospect of extraditing a guy who is basically already a corpse to face questioning and charges for crimes he has already been convicted and served his entire sentence for? It's ridiculous.
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Slave posted:I'm sure its all just bluster. The prospect of extraditing a guy who is basically already a corpse to face questioning and charges for crimes he has already been convicted and served his entire sentence for? It's ridiculous. He was sentenced to life in prison.
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http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/a-qaddafi-family-photo-album/ This is just amazing. Gaddafi's family photos. Xandu fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Aug 29, 2011 |
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CeeJee posted:He was sentenced to life in prison. And life means life huh? He was let go on humanitarian grounds, and diplomatic grounds. The only reason to want him behind bars is for purposes of revenge. Beside it's a moot point, the NTC said no.
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The whole thing with his release was pretty dodgy. I agree with the Scottish Government releasing him on compassion grounds, but not with the UK Gov helping the Libyans to get him released for purely diplomatic reasons.
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Xmas Pterodactyl posted:The whole thing with his release was pretty dodgy. I agree with the Scottish Government releasing him on compassion grounds, but not with the UK Gov helping the Libyans to get him released for purely diplomatic reasons. Releasing a terminally ill fall guy in exchange for diplomatic favours (read: business deals) at least puts him to use. The other option would be to leave him inside for two years on the taxpayers dime for revenge sake. He wasn't a threat to anybody anymore.
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Jut posted:Releasing a terminally ill fall guy in exchange for diplomatic favours (read: business deals) at least puts him to use. The other option would be to leave him inside for two years on the taxpayers dime for revenge sake. He wasn't a threat to anybody anymore. Justice should never involve any considerations to business deals, or to diplomatic favours (unless under strict circumstances, i.e. not just economic gain). It is an unfortunate success of capitalism if we're including economic gain in the judicial system. Also, there are reports that he's only lived longer due to some kind of expensive treatment not available in Scotland. So he may have died within 3 months or so if he remained in prison.
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Xandu posted:http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/a-qaddafi-family-photo-album/ #6 "Who wants this baby?"
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Xmas Pterodactyl posted:Justice should never involve any considerations to business deals, or to diplomatic favours (unless under strict circumstances, i.e. not just economic gain). It is an unfortunate success of capitalism if we're including economic gain in the judicial system. Don't confuse justice with vengeance. Keeping a man in prison until he dies is not justice. There was no reason to keep him there given his condition, and considering the opportunity there for some benefit to come from him, taking it wasn't a bad call. I think his release was a mixture of compassion, the BP deal and not wanting to have egg on face during his appeal if he was found innocent given the SCCRC evidence against his conviction.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 15:41 |
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He killed three hundred people in a terror attack and did barely ten years in prison. Fucker should have been lynched.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 16:26 |
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^^^ Lynching is never justice. People were calling him a scapegoat. In what sense was he a scapegoat? Not trolling, just ignorant of the issue at hand.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 16:30 |
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There are claims that he wasn't actually responsible for the bombing.
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VanSandman posted:^^^ Lynching is never justice. The SCCRC looked at the evidence and concluded that there may have been a miscarriage in justice, just before his second appeal. That appeal was never concluded as they decided to release him on grounds of his health.
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Some updates from Twitter, nothing exciting is going on, possibly Eid related: Gavin Lee of the BBC in Tripoli quote:Only 20 per cent of medical staff are still working in #Tripoli hospitals acc latest from NTC health dept. Urgent call for more staff Paul Danahar of the BBC in Tripoli quote:NTC says it's going to start process of collecting guns from civilians in the coming days now the fighting is dying down Sue Turton of AJE in Nafusa quote:Rebel plane landed in Zintan of military officials from Benghazi and Misrata here to set up military op in Tripoli had rebel flag on tailfin Jonny Hallam of the BBC in the east quote:What impact will the coming of Eid have on the fighting in Libya? Mary Fitzgerald of the Irish Times in Tripoli quote:Just as in Benghazi, there are lots of Libyan Boy Scouts helping out in Tripoli's hospitals these days
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VanSandman posted:^^^ Lynching is never justice. There is a lot of stuff out there but the gist of it is that the trial is widely regarded as a total fuckup.
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Ticker on AJE saying that Gaddafi's wife, daughter, and 2 of his sons are in Algeria.
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Xmas Pterodactyl posted:Ticker on AJE saying that Gaddafi's wife, daughter, and 2 of his sons are in Algeria. For clarification: Muammar Gaddafi's wife and three of his children are in Algeria, an Algerian official told the AFP. Al Jazeera sources said the individuals were: his second wife Safia, his sons Muhmmad and Hannibal, and his daughter Ayesha
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But where is HANNA!? Has she really been alive all these years, working as a doctor or some medical official telling the hospital staff not to heal the wounded rebels?
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Tortilla Maker posted:For clarification: Muammar Gaddafi's wife and three of his children are in Algeria, an Algerian official told the AFP. I thought they were out of the country months ago. Ayesha has been making statements from Belarus, IIRC. Of course, this hints that Qaddafi may be hiding out there.
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ugh... just saw CNN's interview with the nanny who says Hannibal's wife tortured her. (one of the son's who fled to Algeria). The video is super NMS NMS http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/29/cnn-exclusive-luxury-horror-lurked-in-gadhafi-compound/?iref=allsearch NMS NMS Really really sad. Just awful. Wish I could somehow donate to her cause.
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 19:13 |
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So, assuming Algeria's telling the truth, what are the odds of them extraditing Gaddafi to the ICC?
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# ? Aug 29, 2011 19:38 |
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Unsurprisingly, the NTC isn't very happy with Algeria:quote:Rebels to seek return of Gaddafi family from Algeria
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Some good news from the AJE Live blog:quote:A Maltese-chartered tanker carrying 340 tons of drinking water as well as food supplies left Malta for the Libyan capital Tripoli Monday amid fears of a humanitarian crisis in the city. Small update on Zawiyah from Paul Scholfield of the BBC via twitter quote:Passed through Zawiyah on our way in. Lots of shops open, people going about their business one week after serious fighting there. Brown Moses fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Aug 29, 2011 |
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