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Lone Rogue posted:Ric Flair has been making poor decisions for pro wrestling for longer than most of us have lived. You don't stop that. You watch it burn out. Yeah but you don't exactly sit back and enjoy it. I bet HHH and HBK etc know better than any of us Ric isn't going to change but I bet that doesn't stop them trying to help once in a while.
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Lone Rogue posted:Ric Flair has been making poor decisions for pro wrestling for longer than most of us have lived. You don't stop that. You watch it burn out. Doesn't mean I have to like it, or even not wish it could be different.
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Lone Rogue posted:The way people act about Flair is just hilarious to me. There is a big difference between being unable to stop because they need to hear the crowd pop vs. needing to go out because you owe millions of dollars in back taxes and alimony payments. (See also: Hogan, Hulk)
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GoutPatrol posted:There is a big difference between being unable to stop because they need to hear the crowd pop vs. needing to go out because you owe millions of dollars in back taxes and alimony payments. (See also: Hogan, Hulk) Every report has said that Flair could pay the money back any time he wants to, he'd just have to sell the poo poo he doesn't want to sell. It would also mean a permanent end to Naitchin' it. Flair can't be that guy. He has to burn out.
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Yeah Flair earns [or has until recently earned] a lot of money it's just between ex wives and terrible business decisions and his lifestyle of pissing money away he's never been able to settle his debts and they keep piling up
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Formerly Creative has partially redeemed itself by teaching me that an actual person wrote 12 Rounds as a creative endeavor. I always assumed Vince McMahon saw Die Hard with a Vengeance and told Cena to remake it.
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Sep 19, 2011 04:47
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MassRayPer posted:Formerly Creative has partially redeemed itself by teaching me that an actual person wrote 12 Rounds as a creative endeavor. I always assumed Vince McMahon saw Die Hard with a Vengeance and told Cena to remake it. There's no way Vince has seen Die Hard with a Vengeance yet.
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CombineThresher posted:There's no way Vince has seen Die Hard yet.
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Dave talked about watching Misawa/Jumbo live in person. What a great moment. 
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Sep 19, 2011 10:29
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LordPants posted:Did anyone listen to their 9/11 podcast? I listened to about 2/3 of it but got bored.
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triplexpac posted:I listened to about 2/3 of it but got bored. Same here. I got tired of hearing Lagana talk softly and sadly, and the stories didn't really interest me at all. Kind of a bummer of a podcast, but not because it actually made me sad, just because it was pretty lame.
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I'm not interested in hearing anything JBL has to say about 9/11.
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I think I listened to about a minute of it. Not being American I wasn't sure where I just didn't "get it" but I guess that wasn't the case.
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Dave's story about the AWA booking around the Crusher quitting the company annually was great.
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LordPants posted:I think I listened to about a minute of it. Not being American I wasn't sure where I just didn't "get it" but I guess that wasn't the case. I'm glad you all felt the same way. I found it to be one of the dullest podcasts he's done. I listened to JBL's story, and then had to turn it off during the second guys. I can only imagine how lame it must have been for a non American.
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MassRayPer posted:Dave's story about the AWA booking around the Crusher quitting the company annually was great. Yeah, I loved the hell outta that. Much to my chagrin, however, my little break from F4W will have to go on hold, as they went and announced JIM CORNETTE is coming back on the show. Dammit!
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Just heard Bryan and Vinny literally say the following: Vinny: "With the obvious exception of The Great Khali I think it's fair to say CM Punk may be one of the worst athletes in the company. Right? Is that fair?" Bryan: "CM Punk? I'm afraid so." 
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Um, what? He doesn't have a great physique but he's pretty strong for a guy his size and doesn't get gassed five minutes into a match.
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Cardboard Box posted:Um, what? He doesn't have a great physique but he's pretty strong for a guy his size and doesn't get gassed five minutes into a match. The above was said because CM Punk apparently screwed up one flying elbow onto a table. That was the basis of the terrible point they were trying to make. Hear it for yourself, it's a free show: http://www.f4wonline.com/component/...shout-outs-more
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I might check it out later but are you taking it out of context or are they that dumb
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ZoDiAC_ posted:I might check it out later but are you taking it out of context or are they that dumb (recapping the CM Punk vs Triple H Match) quote:V: "They brawled all over the building, went into the crowd, went behind the video wall, Punk threw duffle bags at him. They went back to ringside, Punk set him up on a table and hit the scariest, most out of control tope rope elbow through a table ever. And with the obvious exception of the great Khali I think it's fair to say that CM Punk may be - he's one of the worst athletes in the company. Right? Is that fair?" The elbow drop that made CM Punk the worst athlete outside of The Great Khali: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmxDYsfHAp4 You know who else flailed his arms sometimes during the flying elbow drop? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UlD2SyGV68&feature=player_detailpage#t=123s
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The whole point was that he was doing the Macho Man elbow, and I can't believe they didn't grasp that.
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Sep 21, 2011 19:21
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Cardboard Box posted:The whole point was that he was doing the Macho Man elbow, and I can't believe they didn't grasp that. Have you seen a Macho Man elbow vs a CM Punk elbow? CM Punk does it so awkwardly and gets no height on it. Macho's was a thing of beauty. CM Punk is a really great wrestler, but he's a very awkward athlete who sometimes has two left feet.
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Yeah, I'm not saying he did it particularly well, but I wouldn't say he's a bad athlete over that--definitely not one of the worst in the company.
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Cardboard Box posted:Yeah, I'm not saying he did it particularly well, but I wouldn't say he's a bad athlete over that--definitely not one of the worst in the company. They have said he's a bad athlete for years and from Punk's shoots I don't think he'd entirely disagree.
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Maybe I'm not entirely sure what constitutes a good athlete or not.
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I like that their basis on who is a good athlete and who isn't is on a loving table spot. Impressive to see, yes, but probably one of the least athletic things you can actually do in wrestling - jump off a high thing through a table. Christ.
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Sep 21, 2011 19:56
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Maybe by athletic they mean graceful, smooth, etc?
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MassRayPer posted:Have you seen a Macho Man elbow vs a CM Punk elbow? CM Punk does it so awkwardly and gets no height on it. Macho's was a thing of beauty. CM Punk is a really great wrestler, but he's a very awkward athlete who sometimes has two left feet. Agreed 1000%. Macho Man's is the Platonic Ideal of what a flying elbow should be. His dropkick was also the best in the business as well.
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Punk is definitely not the best athlete in WWE, but in no way is he the second worst in the company. That's ludicrous. If they had simply said Punk isn't the most stellar athlete, that would be something, but to say he's only superior to Khali isn't so much a stretch as it is patently silly.
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triplexpac posted:Maybe by athletic they mean graceful, smooth, etc? That's how I interpreted it, which is odd to me. Has anyone ever said Ric Flair is one of the worst athletes in the business? Because he was never really smooth. I understand the point they were trying to make but I also understand they were using the wrong word simply so they could make a different point. Punk is not naturally athletic. He's much more like the guys who get into wrestling because they love wrestling and understand it before they learn how to execute it instead of someone who is an athlete who gets into wrestling and uses their athleticism to come into the understanding of wrestling.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Punk is definitely not the best athlete in WWE, but in no way is he the second worst in the company. That's ludicrous. If you look at the actual quotes it is "one of the worst" besides Khali. So he's not second worst, they are just saying he's one of the worst other than the obvious. It is still hyperbole, but Punk is pretty unathletic for a high level wrestler.
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MassRayPer posted:If you look at the actual quotes it is "one of the worst" besides Khali. So he's not second worst, they are just saying he's one of the worst other than the obvious. It is still hyperbole, but Punk is pretty unathletic for a high level wrestler. There is a specific pointedness to referencing Khali, and that's to draw the analogy that Punk is in that league. While I would expect they were being hyperbolic, it's silly to compare the two in any light. If they had said what you said, that "Punk is pretty unathletic for a high level wrestler", then sure, that's fine. Punk is decidedly middle of the pack, maybe even low-middle of the pack, as far as athletic ability goes.
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MassRayPer posted:If you look at the actual quotes it is "one of the worst" besides Khali. So he's not second worst, they are just saying he's one of the worst other than the obvious. It is still hyperbole, but Punk is pretty unathletic for a high level wrestler. It seems doubly strange because he's not unathletic in a lumbering hoss way. He's someone that looks like he should be pulling off Jericho-level poo poo.
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I'm behind on podcasts and I'm listening to the B and V with the Haikus. Good god that was awesome.
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I think this is the first mention of this particular wrestler in the Observer. How newsworthy.quote:For those who listen to the WWF radio show, the regular caller who goes by the name Disco Inferno is Glen Gilburnetti, the Georgia indie wrestler who used the Disco Inferno name in Memphis. He's friends with Johnny Polo.
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Dave actually sounded a bit emotional when he said that TNA creative "hosed the company."
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Arbite posted:Dave actually sounded a bit emotional when he said that TNA creative "hosed the company."
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