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Ziploc posted:This. They seemed to do a good job toning down the problem areas though.. the curbs on Maple Valley doesn't send cars into instant barrel rolls anymore, and the bumpy section on Sebring is actually drivable.
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Best improvements to the series: Tire squeal is even more progressive than it was in previous games (where it was already fantastic), you can tell exactly how much more grip you have left. And weight transfer - You could always correct the back end with your right foot but at last you can really help correct the front end with your left. Rivals mode is automotive crack.
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Xbox updates updated, dlc installed, Forza......Forza'ed. Sent an invite to LLJK, GT: Hypercats. I'll see ya on the track! Also, please post more photos of rigs. The 2x4 one looks a lot better than I expected 2x4s to look. Is it stable? I was also thinking of going to the local boneyard and grabbing the cheapest auto seat I could find, probably a neon or ford escort or something. Does anyone know what used pricing on seats is, or does it vary wildly? I would think stuff like Honda and Lexus seats would be higher demand and probably more expensive, but is this a part I can expect to get for under $150, or are seats, frames, and slides $150+ regardless of make/model? The reason I ask is that you can buy "racing gamer seats" new for the house for $150-180 and up.
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:This is great advice. In GT4 goons were posting times in a shitbox and I wasn't getting close even though I felt I was driving pretty good laps. I decided to turn the traction control and assists off, and after a small learning curve, I was right in the thick of the posted times. Probably won't take more than a few hours to get used to it, and your times and skill will improve by a good margin. It's worth noting that particularly traction control slows you down like mad in a lot of cars. I forgot to set up my difficulty before the first F class race and got about 3/4 of a lap in before I quit out and disabled the poo poo. I could barely pass anyone with how much it was cutting my throttle in corners, where without it I had a half lap lead by the end of the race. Wheelspin can be a good thing. I've been a whore for the braking line since the original game, but I'm finally turning it off in F4 when on the wheel. The improved force feedback and simulation steering mode make it much easier to get a feel for how close I am to getting it right. On controller I still run with normal steering and a braking line, but once I get to know the new tracks the line is going away.
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Infineon is really too much fun. Sorry to any goons trying to get me in a race last night, I was on Forza, but I was showing it off to my mom and sister.
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xzzy posted:They seemed to do a good job toning down the problem areas though.. the curbs on Maple Valley doesn't send cars into instant barrel rolls anymore, and the bumpy section on Sebring is actually drivable. Cars have soft suspensions now.  I think 3 having people rollover so much was due to pretty much every car having no body roll to soak up a curb.
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j3rkstore posted:I'll keep that in mind while they pick your flaming remains out of the retaining wall.  But yeah, I guess it comes down to how serious you are about it. In a lot of cases just doing sport upgrades all around won't ruin a car, though it'll definitely be more of a bitch to drive without practice.
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Asnorban posted:
Hope this isn't too too late, but here are some tips that I have learned. 1) Shift right when you are about to hit the rev limiter. This keeps you in the powerband longer, and thus, more speed. 2) If you are going up hill, and you can downshift without it popping off on the rev limiter, do it. You will be in a higher powerband, and thus be faster up the hill, just be ready to upshift right at the crest. 3) When entering turns, brake first, then downshift to avoid damaging your car. 4) Start slow, in a low class car. It will help you learn shifting for corners easier. 5) The lower the gear, the more oversteer you will have, generally. 6) Just a personal preference, but make sure you get your controller set up to how you like it with the shifter buttons. I have mine set up so that X is downshift, and A is upshift. It allows me to shift without moving my thumb which is useful. Hopefully this helps a bit. (I too recently made the switch to manual transmission. It shaved more time off of my laps than I expected.)
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I play with everything off except for ABS and the braking line. I feel like the braking line really helps me since it's hard for me to judge how much I'm breaking without actually feeling the G's.
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Oct 12, 2011 19:54
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A5H posted:How wide tyres can we get on the AE86? Wider than in 3? This but about the S13/14, the SW20 and the FC3S and a bunch of other fun cars that had 225's as the widest tyre possible. Hell there was a drat renault megane that you could put 265's under but a 69 camaro, yeah you only get 245 on the rear. Just add a minigame where you can do this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDTK9IjKIYU edit: yeah i know thats the dumbest way to roll fenders track day bro! fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Oct 12, 2011 |
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I try to leave off everything except the braking line and the auto transmission until I get up to S class. I tried running a Zonda in FM3 with no traction control and couldn't get past the first corner of any track. I need more practice.
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To continue the shift talk, a lot of the higher end cars have visual indicators when it's time to shift.. usually mounted in the steering wheel. Most of them will flash the LED's once when it's time to shift. Some of those cars have pretty short gears, and you'll find the car telling you to shift before you think you need to. But if the car is stock, those shift points will be tuned for the engine's power band, so you should do it anyways. The only reason not to shift is that most of those cars sound their best when near redline, and sometimes you just gotta let the car sing.
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Is there an overabundance of Buggati Veyron/SS out there or is it just me.
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Oct 12, 2011 20:00
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Does anyone know if it's possible to roughly reproduce pantone shades in the livery editor, or shoudl I just try and eyeball the shade I'm going for?
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Oct 12, 2011 20:05
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xzzy posted:To continue the shift talk, a lot of the higher end cars have visual indicators when it's time to shift.. usually mounted in the steering wheel. Most of them will flash the LED's once when it's time to shift. After getting used to a car for a while, I can shift just by listening to the sound of the engine.
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Bentai posted:Does anyone know if it's possible to roughly reproduce pantone shades in the livery editor, or shoudl I just try and eyeball the shade I'm going for? You can do HSV with the "color fine tune" option, so if you find a way to convert pantone to HSV, you should be good to go. Eyeballing it is probably good enough though. Most people gently caress around with their TV settings so there's no guarantee they're ever seeing the same color you are.
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Oct 12, 2011 20:08
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I'm going to take the threads advice and just bite the bullet to turn off TCS. The new physics engine really is fantastic. I'm not even using a wheel, but I can just "feel" my way through a race with an rear end slidin' Javelin. It's so much fun.
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So I have a question about the Fanatec stuff. I'm considering dropping the ~$500 on them, but I want to hear from folks who actually own them before I do it. I'd be getting: Forza Motorsport CSR Wheel CSR Elite Pedals CSR Shifter Set Do people really feel like it adds to the game? I've used the MS wheel before, it seemed like it could be a lot of fun once I got used to it, but the proper setup seems awesome. This is the first time I've played a racing game where I can tell the controller and lack of fine control is forcing me off the lines I really want to be on. For example, in the demo while lapping with the Zonda, in the right hander before the tunnel, I always wanted to hug the outside and follow the curve in for a bit before really committing to the corner properly, in order to get the proper late turn in. With the controller, I always seemed to drift wide a bit on the brakes, rather than being able to modulate the steering and braking to really hug the outside before I committed. While it's no problem to manage the fast turn in corners as the controller makes that trivial, I have difficulty consistently pulling the lines I want in the corners where you need a gentle turn in. Does it seem like the wheel will help with these things? Or am I just hitting the limits of what's reasonable to expect from a racing videogame?
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xzzy posted:You can do HSV with the "color fine tune" option, so if you find a way to convert pantone to HSV, you should be good to go.
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Which game is better. Forza 4 or GT5? My friend is lending me his PS3 for a while, so I have access to either game, and I want the best one.
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Z3n posted:So I have a question about the Fanatec stuff. I absolutely love my GT2 wheel. It definitely adds a ton to the game. The force feedback is great and really lets you feel when your tires start to slip. Plus it just makes the whole game a lot more fun. Right now I have some pretty crappy pedals but I plan on upgrading to the clubsport soon. Personally though I'd get the GT2 instead of the new forza wheel... alcantara rocks.
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Hepnotic posted:Which game is better. Forza 4 or GT5? My friend is lending me his PS3 for a while, so I have access to either game, and I want the best one. Forza 4, and it's not even close IMO.
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Partial Octopus posted:I absolutely love my GT2 wheel. It definitely adds a ton to the game. The force feedback is great and really lets you feel when your tires start to slip. Plus it just makes the whole game a lot more fun. Right now I have some pretty crappy pedals but I plan on upgrading to the clubsport soon. Personally though I'd get the GT2 instead of the new forza wheel... alcantara rocks. The Fanatec-wheels adds absurd amounts of feel (and joy), at least I felt that going from the MS-wheel to the 911 Turbo S (now old and dead). You can just play so much more with the limits of your grip and weight-transfers. Also, I suspect the new CSR-E-pedals are just fantastic. Using G27-pedals for now, but I hear great things about the newer pedals. I also think it's mentioned, but the CSR-E-pedals are apparently more or less just as good as the clubsports, but cheaper. The CSR-wheel is apparently not that far away from the GT2-wheel. I guess they added just a few new bits and bobs, and I just went for that instead of the GT2. They're equally expensive, and apparently the CSR is just a tiny bit more flashy and nifty, but I wouldn't bother with an upgrade if I had the GT2. All in all, go for a fanatec-wheel if you can afford it. They are pretty drat good.
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They weren't kidding when they said the AI would use upgraded cars in 4. I just ran into my first really noticable one, the AI was running a B457 Mitsubishi Colt. 
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The Fanatec CSR wheel is allegedly better than the GT2 as the wheel rim itself is lighter and 'faster' than the porsche wheel, however it does look very toy-like and doesn't have alcantara all over it, only at parts of 3 and 9 on the wheel. I drive the race room one (F1 2010 style car) in race 07 and can go lock to lock very fast with my GT2 so I dunno what else that'd bring to the table.
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 Well, I think Project Blundervolt (shown above in my high tech tuning shop in Circleville, Ohio) went a fair amount better than I expected. Turns out the Volt is actually not a horrible little slug like the Prius, the stock electric motor actually has a bit of grunt to it and combined with the CVT that keeps humming along at a constant 4,200 or so RPMs (with none of those clunky fake shift points, I might add), it seems to pull itself along fairly decently and didn't lose too much speed when going through corners. For a high-end F-class car, it's rather adequate. But of course, in Forza words like "adequate", "economical" and "not ridiculous" are considered profane, so I went and started shoving things into it to see what happened. Upgrading the electric motor and batteries ended up being the biggest difference maker, adding 30 horsepower and almost 60 more torques. It also replaced the dead silence of the stock unit with a funny low-pitched "vwurrrrrrrr" that makes you feel like you're piloting a spaceship from 1950's sci-fi. After widening the tires a bit, upgrading the brakes and putting on new wheels and tires to accommodate them, I started in on the gas engine up front... but honestly I don't know how that engine does its thing since I guess it's actually a gas-powered generator, so that might have been for naught aside from shaving some weight off the front and raising the car's PI arbitrarily. Still, it's got a supercharger on it now. Somehow. A little weight reduction, and minor reinforcement to bring it up to the top of D-class, and how well did it do? Here, have some sloppily formatted statistics. code:The Blundervolt is in the LLJK club garage if anyone else wants to play around with it. Just remember that it is front wheel drive, so don't miss your braking points. And please, be considerate and plug it back in when you're done with it.
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Maybe someone here can help me. I just got the Microsoft wheel. I am now terrible at everything. It feels like the cars don't have power steering in the cars. I'm spinning out constantly. I feel like a significantly worse driver. Is there some way to dial this back a bit or what? I'm quite disappointed as it stands.
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Hepnotic posted:Which game is better. Forza 4 or GT5? My friend is lending me his PS3 for a while, so I have access to either game, and I want the best one. Forza, no contest. I never felt like there was any connection to the cars in GT5. hreple posted:The Fanatec-wheels adds absurd amounts of feel (and joy), at least I felt that going from the MS-wheel to the 911 Turbo S (now old and dead). Partial Octopus posted:I absolutely love my GT2 wheel. It definitely adds a ton to the game. The force feedback is great and really lets you feel when your tires start to slip. Plus it just makes the whole game a lot more fun. Right now I have some pretty crappy pedals but I plan on upgrading to the clubsport soon. Personally though I'd get the GT2 instead of the new forza wheel... alcantara rocks. Hrm, ok. So is there anyone who's not happy with the Fanatec stuff? AlmightyPants posted:Maybe someone here can help me. I just got the Microsoft wheel. I am now terrible at everything. It feels like the cars don't have power steering in the cars. I'm spinning out constantly. I feel like a significantly worse driver. Is there some way to dial this back a bit or what? I'm quite disappointed as it stands. I had the same issue with the MS Wheel, which is why I'm leery of dropping $500 on the Fanatec stuff.
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AlmightyPants posted:Maybe someone here can help me. I just got the Microsoft wheel. I am now terrible at everything. It feels like the cars don't have power steering in the cars. I'm spinning out constantly. I feel like a significantly worse driver. Is there some way to dial this back a bit or what? I'm quite disappointed as it stands. Try turning on some assists for a while? There is an acclimation period to using the wheel. It's not like jumping in a real car, you have to learn what the FF is telling you and how sensitive the steering action is. But once you get over that hump, you'll have a ton of fun.
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xzzy posted:Try turning on some assists for a while? What assists would you recommend? Right now I'm just flat out not having a good time with the wheel. I feel like a bumbling idiot. I drove my car in the game. Then I drove my real car in the real world. Then back to the game. The game feels nothing like the real car. Should I unplug it so there's no FF, just rumble? I'm keen on playing with a wheel but if it's a chore then I'm just gonna get rid of this thing.
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AlmightyPants posted:Maybe someone here can help me. I just got the Microsoft wheel. I am now terrible at everything. It feels like the cars don't have power steering in the cars. I'm spinning out constantly. I feel like a significantly worse driver. Is there some way to dial this back a bit or what? I'm quite disappointed as it stands. Well, assuming your wheel isn't broken, I'd say you should just spend more time with it until you're comfortable. You probably weren't an ace at using a controller the first time you picked one up, and changing to using 4 limbs for input instead of just 2 thumbs will take a little adjustment period (That is, if you are talking about the Microsoft Wireless Wheel, and not the Speed Wheel) When I first got the MS WW for PGR3, I also had the same "What the gently caress is wrong here" feeling for my first couple hours, but then it clicked and I haven't looked back. I wouldn't advise turning on assists because then you'll just learn how to drive for the assists, not how you'll drive the car in general. More practice, basically, and keep in mind that gentle and gradual inputs are the key with a wheel. Also, put an inch or so thick piece of dense foam rubber (think the consistency of a Nerf football) behind the brake pedal's pivot and you will immediately have a shedload more brake feel. Z3N - you will definitely enjoy driving games (Forza) more with the full Fanatec setup and it's worth every penny, but the MS Wireless Wheel is the best bang for the buck out there if you can find a good one. If you enjoy driving cars in real life, you will enjoy driving Forza with a Fanatec. Here's Inside Sim Racing's newest video, "A Buyer's guide to Forza 4 Wheels": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ZXIqe8Psg&feature=feedu
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xzzy posted:Try turning on some assists for a while? Yeah, this. There are built in controller assists that try to make up for the fact that you have like 4mm of movement mapped to 900 degrees of steering. Now you actually have full control of the car and have to do that yourself. It takes time to learn.
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Bought this bad boy, installing game, getting everything dialed in. Add me on Live to compare times, gift cars, be rivals. I'm not very fast on the tracks, so my lap times will have you feelin' good about yours. GT: Hepnotik
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AlmightyPants posted:What assists would you recommend? Right now I'm just flat out not having a good time with the wheel. I feel like a bumbling idiot. I drove my car in the game. Then I drove my real car in the real world. Then back to the game. The game feels nothing like the real car. Should I unplug it so there's no FF, just rumble? I'm keen on playing with a wheel but if it's a chore then I'm just gonna get rid of this thing. I actually don't know what to try.. I haven't even looked at the list of assists and just blind-fire turned everything off. Isn't there a steering assist this time around? Like simulation steering or something? Try turning that one on, it might help. It'll still feel a little wonky, but if you stick with it for a few hours you should start to get comfortable. Also, avoid driving S class cars at this point. Stick to the slow ones, where you have a greater margin of error. Enabling TCS might help too. I've been playing Forza with a wheel for so long now, I couldn't imagine going back. I probably wouldn't even have bought the game if for some reason I couldn't use a wheel.
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DoctoRadox posted:Is there an overabundance of Buggati Veyron/SS out there or is it just me. Naaaah, unless its the lljk club where I sneak in a mustang and almost win. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTugzfoGIcQ This game is the best game.
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Z3n posted:Hrm, ok. So is there anyone who's not happy with the Fanatec stuff? I own the original MS wheel and have played with a Fanatec extensively. It's just my personal opinion but I decided just to stick with the MS wheel. The Fanatec is definitely BETTER, but I really didn't feel like it was so much better that it was worth dropping all that cash on. Obviously there are many people here and elsewhere who don't agree, so as I said, just my opinion.
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