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Waltman has always had pretty solid fundamentals at the least. I remember watching a 123 Kid match ages ago before I knew Waltman was the 123 Kid (although I'd figured it out by the end of the match) and wondering what the hell happened to such a good performer who had seemingly dissapeared. I don't think you can ever really say Waltman was bad, just not overly motived. I've never seen an X-pac match where I thought his performance was particularly unwatchable.
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Hell, in Jericho's book, when he was coming into the WWE at the time, Waltman was the measuring stick to see if you were good enough. If even Waltman couldn't carry you to a good match, you were poo poo.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:11
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Sue Denim posted:Waltman has always had pretty solid fundamentals at the least. X-Pac is basically every functional pothead you know. Good enough to get by and even be noticed sometimes, but probably not working to their potential.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:15
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Waltman was a smart worker who had a pretty decent style and such, but what really was his ceiling that he never achieved?
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Nov 14, 2011 20:27
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Lone Rogue posted:Waltman was a smart worker who had a pretty decent style and such, but what really was his ceiling that he never achieved? He had a MOTYC with Bret Hart on Raw once. He was probably the Rey Mysterio of the early - mid 90s in that he was too small to be taken seriously as a world champ due to booking predilections of that era.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:34
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Moose Bigelow posted:He had a MOTYC with Bret Hart on Raw once. He was probably the Rey Mysterio of the early - mid 90s in that he was too small to be taken seriously as a world champ due to booking predilections of that era. And so, so many lighter weight wrestlers cite him as the reason they got into wrestling. He was a trailblazer.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:37
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Lone Rogue posted:Waltman was a smart worker who had a pretty decent style and such, but what really was his ceiling that he never achieved? With some dedication and let's be honest, HGH, he probably could've been in line for a World Title feud (not a run though) while Michaels and Bret were on top based on workrate alone. If TNA has made hay of Bubba as a singles talent, I don't know why Pac couldn't be one.
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flashy_mcflash posted:With some dedication and let's be honest, HGH, he probably could've been in line for a World Title feud (not a run though) while Michaels and Bret were on top based on workrate alone. If TNA has made hay of Bubba as a singles talent, I don't know why Pac couldn't be one. Waltman was in TNA at a few points. It never worked out.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:53
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Cardboard Box posted:Waltman was in TNA at a few points. It never worked out. It was the same problem as the Hardys, really. He'd show up, put on some good matches, get a decent response, then fall apart, no-show and finally they'd shitcan him, only to bring him back a year later.
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flashy_mcflash posted:With some dedication and let's be honest, HGH, he probably could've been in line for a World Title feud (not a run though) while Michaels and Bret were on top based on workrate alone. If TNA has made hay of Bubba as a singles talent, I don't know why Pac couldn't be one. I guess I'm looking at it based on the era he was in. When 1-2-3 Kidd was in the WWF, he stood out as the only real Cruiserweight style wrestler. Once he went to WCW, he once again was allowed to stand out as the only Cruiserweight in the nWo. However, he was easily overshadowed in WCW by better cruiserweights with better offence and character. Waltman couldn't compete with a heel Eddie or Jericho. Now in the WWF again, X-Pac stayed out of the Light Heavyweight Division and was pushed quite well in the European Title and Tag Title divisions despite being quite limited on the mic and already getting stale. They didn't put him in a Cruiserweight type division until 2001 when the WWF side was lacking in those guys to take on the likes of Billy Kidman. And he flopped bad for being incredibly stale, unlikeable and again, not good on the mic. Again, I just don't see where his ceiling would have been. An Intercontinental Title contender? ECW World Champion? Either way, Waltman didn't do very much to re-invent himself and even today he sort of relies on who he used to be, it's just he's cleaned up and he doesn't seem so stale anymore because we haven't seen him really "go" in years. I just don't see where Waltman would have fit in the late 90s, early 2000s main event scene. Sure, better than Bulldog did, but is that an endorsement really? Gaz-L posted:It was the same problem as the Hardys, really. He'd show up, put on some good matches, get a decent response, then fall apart, no-show and finally they'd shitcan him, only to bring him back a year later. Waltman is one of the few guys who actually quit once Vince Russo went back to TNA and for that I always had respect for him.
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Nov 14, 2011 20:57
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Dave's analysis on why the TNA PPV was such a failure was really interesting.
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The new episode is taking an eternity to come up. Bryan probably just fell asleep and forgot to post it, but I'd like to think it's because DM is ranting about RAW.  edit: I ended up Re-upping for the UWF review. Goddamn love UWF.
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It's up now. The stuff about Vince deliberately booking humiliating segments so that he could show the tapes at the WWE Xmas party while everyone awkwardly laughs just because Vince laughs has me convinced, if more proof were needed, that Vince has serious mental and emotional problems
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ZoDiAC_ posted:Bryan and Dave arguing over if you can predict the dumb booking was hilarious Dave going on and on with his running into a wall analogy was great
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TomWaitsForNoMan posted:It's up now. The stuff about Vince deliberately booking humiliating segments so that he could show the tapes at the WWE Xmas party while everyone awkwardly laughs just because Vince laughs has me convinced, if more proof were needed, that Vince has serious mental and emotional problems Christ, it's like Vince is the concentrate version of what Occupy Wall Street is rallying against.
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CombineThresher posted:Christ, it's like Vince is the concentrate version of what Occupy Wall Street is rallying against. Vince is the only man in Pro wrestling who has to play down his real life persona.
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WWE promoting Neptune would be so much better than WWE promoting their twitter.
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Nov 16, 2011 00:08
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Dave says 'like' more than a high school cheerleader from the 80's
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Mr. Carlisle posted:Dave says 'like' more than a high school cheerleader from the 80's You know?
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He is from, like, SoCal, y'know?
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Dave has been on fire in recent observers.quote:Khali is opening a wrestling school in India. There are so many possibilities for humor there I don’t know where to start. Well I found that funny. But this in the most recent retro observer cracked me up quote:TCI of South Maine, the cable company in Biddford, ME, accidentally aired an adult movie in place of SummerSlam on 8/29. Even though only 30 or 40 homes in the cable system had ordered SS, the company received about 300 complaining calls. The funniest thing in a newspaper article about the incident was the caller who said his two children, ages eight and 11, watched the movie for 15 minutes before they realized it wasn't the wrestling show. I'm not sure if those kids need to be watching more wrestling, or less wrestling, if it took that long to figure out they weren't watching SummerSlam. Also, quote:Johnny Polo quit the WWF. The leaving was amicable. He was working in the office producing segments for the various television shows, but wanted to wrestle and Titan had no plans to use him in that role. He'll probably go to indies and use the name Scotty the Body once again. Or will he? *dramatic music*
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I listened to some Dave shows from back in 2000/2001 and he didn't say you know and like every other word. I think the lovely wrestling of the past 10 years has damaged Dave's brain.
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Cactus Jack posted:I listened to some Dave shows from back in 2000/2001 and he didn't say you know and like every other word. I think the lovely wrestling of the past 10 years has damaged Dave's brain.
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Very good Smart Wrestling Fan this week I thought, lots of in-depth discussion of Rock/Cena which I really enjoyed being apart of. Question though, are any of the SWF listeners on here subscribers to Extra? What would get you to subscribe if you're not/what's your favourite part if you are?
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Bryan and Vinny reviewed among others the Chikara iPPV, and compares Crossbones to Humpty Dumpty.
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dshban posted:Very good Smart Wrestling Fan this week I thought, lots of in-depth discussion of Rock/Cena which I really enjoyed being apart of. Question though, are any of the SWF listeners on here subscribers to Extra? What would get you to subscribe if you're not/what's your favourite part if you are? I've started listening to SWF more regularly and I'm really enjoying it, but not too sure about plonking down for extra when I pretty much just want the podcast for work. Forgive my ignorance but isn't Extra just the ability to grab those fan made songs and some extra pre-and-post-podcast chat to listen to?
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Semiru posted:I've started listening to SWF more regularly and I'm really enjoying it, but not too sure about plonking down for extra when I pretty much just want the podcast for work. Those are the main things, but then you get things like what we just uploaded (which I guess counts as post-podcast chat) which was a 100+ minute discussion between Larry, Baddie and myself of just about anything - there's also a 3-hour one between just Larry and I in the archives - plus a 50+ minute review/discussion of the HBK/Bret rivalry DVD between Larry and I. Also back episodes and news updates from Joe every few days.
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Every part of the Chikara recap is gold.
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dshban posted:Extra stuff Hmmm, sounds interesting. I'll give it a look since it's pretty cheap anyway.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Every part of the Chikara recap is gold. Vinnie proves my theory that no matter if you've seen him before you will immediately fall in love with Archibald Peck.
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Lance Storm continues to be a self-righteous know-it-all on The Board. Film at 11. Oh, and Dave defends him.
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ChampRamp posted:Lance Storm continues to be a self-righteous know-it-all on The Board. Film at 11. Oh, and Dave defends him. More info please for non board members?
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ChampRamp posted:Lance Storm continues to be a self-righteous know-it-all on The Board. Film at 11. Oh, and Dave defends him. I see one post in the last few days and it seems very reasonable.
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It's just Lance saying that he only gained 15lbs in his entire career? And Dave saying that he didn't' say what the person said he said. Or am I missing something?
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