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Hungry Gerbil posted:But the right wing extremists can always count on the support of their friends in the judicial branch. What.
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There is a reason why this phrase exists: 'auf dem rechten Auge blind' - 'blind in the right eye' I'm exaggerating a bit, but basically every crime by leftwing extremists is seen as politically motivated and every crime by rightwing extremists is seen as not politically motivated. Oftentimes violence against foreigners and immigrants is blamed on other immigrants. Rightwing criminals are always lone nuts and not organized. Downplaying everything is common. And so on and so on. Edit: Just one exmple of the many you can find: A court allows a neonazi demonstration in Bad Nenndorf and bans the counterdemonstration organized by the German Federation of Trade Unions (DGB). quote:Urteil zu Neonazi-Aufmarsch empört Antifa-Aktivisten http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0,1518,711734,00.html The counterdemonstration was allowed by a higher instance at the last moment, but just because the political pressure was so high. Hungry Gerbil fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 20, 2011 |
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Nov 20, 2011 15:06
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Hungry Gerbil posted:Oftentimes violence against foreigners and immigrants is blamed on other immigrants. Rightwing criminals are always lone nuts and not organized. Downplaying everything is common. And so on and so on. That's the impression I had from reading the SPIEGEL-article posted earlier, as well. Investigations into the Döner-Morde looked into possible connections to Turkish mafia or possibly honor killings and seemed to have dismissed completely that it could have been done by Neo-Nazis. Well, the murders were committed by Neo-Nazis after all, so now the question becomes: How many crimes have been brushed off by the police as "eh, that's the immigrants sorting things out among themselves", but were committed by right-wing extremists? At least now some of the downplaying seems to have stopped. There is simply no denying that active terror motivated by right-wing ideology exists, and there is no denying that those responsible for persecuting crimes have gone and hosed up by ignoring it for so long.
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Nov 20, 2011 15:59
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The term Döner-Morde in itself is racist as poo poo. I'ma go on a killing spree against mexicans and see if they call it the Taco-Murders.
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Nov 20, 2011 16:13
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AFAIK the establishment of the Verfassungsschutz was from the start strongly linked to fear of threats to the state coming from the extreme left, which was of course highly relevant during the time (cold war). Appearantly that is why the organization still seems to "specialize" in monitoring leftist activity, to this day. Hopefully, the current events will help broaden their horizon a little.Grendels Dad posted:The bit about V-Männer basically being government-funded Neo-Nazis sounds pretty bad, but from what I've read I had the impression a sizable part of them actually were government spies and since there were so many of them in the NPD it couldn't be banned. All V-Männer are government spies on paper, while also being Nazis. :iamafag: Since too many of the accused turned out to be on Verfassungsschutz payroll, the court appearantly found it difficult to assess who had acted on what motivation, and closed the proceedings. At least, that's how I understood it. I'm also dumbfounded the media in this country is getting away with the term "Döner-Morde".
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Nov 20, 2011 16:33
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Not that I've been following the whole ordeal too closely, but I assumed one of the initial killings/attacks involved an actual owner of a döner stand or a döner restaurant getting blown up or at least some remote connection to the actual dish. Because if not...wow.
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Nov 20, 2011 16:50
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Ententod posted:All V-Männer are government spies on paper, while also being Nazis. :iamafag: Since too many of the accused turned out to be on Verfassungsschutz payroll, the court appearantly found it difficult to assess who had acted on what motivation, and closed the proceedings. At least, that's how I understood it. That was pretty much it. I see where you are coming from, but on the other hand, the government practically bribing half the leadership of a party to make extremist statements is also a possible way of interpretating it. Banning a party in a democracy should always be done on absolutely watertight evidence. quote:I'm also dumbfounded the media in this country is getting away with the term "Döner-Morde". As I understand it, most if not all of the murders happened to Döner cooks. Naming them after the connecting element seems reasonable - would you prefer the term "Türkenmorde"?
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Nov 20, 2011 16:59
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ArchangeI posted:
Only two of the vics worked at a dönerbude.
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Nov 20, 2011 17:05
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ArchangeI posted:That was pretty much it. I see where you are coming from, but on the other hand, the government practically bribing half the leadership of a party to make extremist statements is also a possible way of interpretating it. Banning a party in a democracy should always be done on absolutely watertight evidence. I always assumed they were men joining the party as inconspiciously as they could but kind of floated to the top by virtue of being from a higher education than most other members of the NPD. This way around sounds much more plausible, and a lot more depressing.
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Nov 20, 2011 17:18
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Is German pornography really as gross as people say or is that just an internet myth?
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Nov 20, 2011 18:24
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HighClassSwankyTime posted:Is German pornography really as gross as people say or is that just an internet myth?
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Nov 20, 2011 18:29
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niethan posted:Only two of the vics worked at a dönerbude. If there was a number of bavarians being killed while on holiday in turkey and the turkish police would form a special investigation group called "donau" and investigate the "Sauerkraut-Morde" the BILD would have been raising hell. If this was a number of italians being killed the German press would never have gotten away with calling it "Spaghettimorde", no matter if two out of 9 victims were restaurant owners. But it's turks who are our current redheaded stepchildren (no matter one of them was actually greek) so you cannot only call it "Döner-Morde" but you can also talk about "Döner-Opfer" (döner victim) when speaking about the victims even now. Kraut couple found dead in tourist hotel, imagine that in a paper. "The last döner victim" can be found in an article published 3 days ago on spiegel 
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Nov 20, 2011 20:31
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dreamin' posted:If there was a number of bavarians being killed while on holiday in turkey and the turkish police would form a special investigation group called "donau" and Wait, what is the german investigation team called?
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Nov 20, 2011 20:37
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Stuhlmajor posted:Wait, what is the german investigation team called? Bosporus
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Nov 20, 2011 20:38
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niethan posted:Bosporus Hahahahah owns
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Nov 20, 2011 20:48
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Are there enough French goons to warrant a France thread?
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Cjones posted:Are there enough French goons to warrant a France thread? We will invade  But I for one would love to know more about developments in France, since most of the German political/ecomomic scene is sort of staring wild-eyed at France, hoping that you guys hold out and don't have to be rescued as well. Because if you do...Seriously, "Döner-opfer"? Outside of BILD? And no one read that and went "Hang on, that's a stupid way of calling murder victims"? It sounded reasonable to call them Dönermorde when I thought that being döner cooks was the connecting element, but calling the victims Döneropfer is such a tremendously terrible idea.
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Nov 20, 2011 22:38
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Spiegel and especially spiegel online are crap anyway. They're the populist bullshit for people who are too cool to read BILD. And seriously gently caress them for making me ashamed to say Döner in the future. It was the one German word I thought stood best for the new multi-cultural identity I thought everybody shared. Back to Bratwurst and Sauerkraut for all of us. gently caress
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Nov 20, 2011 23:38
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xf86enodev posted:Spiegel and especially spiegel online are crap anyway. They're the populist bullshit for people who are too cool to read BILD. "See this? It's called a Döner, it's based on a vaguely Turkish dish and we put it inside Fladenbrot, truly the best of two worlds. What do you mean the Hot-Dog-Pizza is basically the same thing and that Italians are a much better example for successful integration?" You shouldn't be ashamed to say Döner, you should be ashamed if you actually eat it on a regular basis. While we are at it, is the name türkische Pizza also a shining example of the new multi-cultural identity that you assume for a reason I can't quite grasp?
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Nov 21, 2011 00:53
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hankor posted:"See this? It's called a Döner, it's based on a vaguely Turkish dish and we put it inside Fladenbrot, truly the best of two worlds. What do you mean the Hot-Dog-Pizza is basically the same thing and that Italians are a much better example for successful integration?" Wow, are you serious? First of all, türkische Pizza, is what people who can't be bothered call Lahmacun. So, this is more a shining example for many Germans inability to adapt to modern times. And what are you on about anyway? Are you angry with me because I like Döner and that I'm unhappy about people using the word to degrade the Turkish?
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Nov 21, 2011 01:12
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Lahmacun with döner meat inside all rolled up into a wrap is out of this world amazing.
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Nov 21, 2011 02:26
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Broken Dictionary posted:Lahmacun with döner meat inside all rolled up into a wrap is out of this world amazing. Wait, I thought that was a "Dürum"?
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Nov 21, 2011 10:11
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Order a döner with köfte, seasoned ground lamb beef, best thing.
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Nov 21, 2011 11:17
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xf86enodev posted:Wow, are you serious? First of all, türkische Pizza, is what people who can't be bothered call Lahmacun. So, this is more a shining example for many Germans inability to adapt to modern times. He's angry because his friends just got arrested, show some sympathy man.
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Nov 21, 2011 13:47
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xf86enodev posted:Wow, are you serious? First of all, türkische Pizza, is what people who can't be bothered call Lahmacun. So, this is more a shining example for many Germans inability to adapt to modern times. I'm not angry, I just think it's stupid to think that the acceptance of Döner has anything to do with multi-culturalism when especially in the last couple of years there is a strong tendency among part of the turkish community towards a parallel society (I'm not talking about crazy religious people). One of my local restaurants offers sushi with beelitzer Spargel when it's in season, by your logic this is because we have assimilated the japanese culture.
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Nov 21, 2011 17:32
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Stuhlmajor posted:Wait, I thought that was a "Dürum"? Dürüm is basically döner wrapped up in a tortilla. Lahmacun is basically a Turkish pizza. But wrap that döner meat up in a Lahmacun and it's the best thing ever.
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Nov 21, 2011 17:58
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Broken Dictionary posted:Dürüm is basically döner wrapped up in a tortilla. No that's a yufka
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Nov 21, 2011 19:20
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niethan posted:No that's a yufka I noticed that what your swabian turks call yufka our bavarian turks call dürüm. Explain! Edit: Ok, found the answer: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yufka bronin fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Nov 21, 2011 |
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Nov 21, 2011 20:55
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Amazing how quickly this thread turned from  Nazis to GWS
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Nov 21, 2011 21:06
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To get back on track (seriouspost: had Dürüm for lunch, poo poo was scrumptious), today's newscycle reinforced me in my belief that I haven't been watching enough news lately. So this trio of terrorist-nazis is somehow connected to the killing of a cop? I'm still trying to read up on the details since I know jacksquat about the timeline of events at this point, but I'm surprised the killing of a cop didn't stir up more of a media shitstorm to begin with. edit: Okay, so that cop was killed in 2007, so I'm completely at a loss now. Duzzy Funlop fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Nov 22, 2011 |
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Stuhlmajor posted:To get back on track (seriouspost: had Dürüm for lunch, poo poo was scrumptious), today's newscycle reinforced me in my belief that I haven't been watching enough news lately. Yeah, two of them killed a cop and severly injured her partner and stole their weapons. For the longest time the police was searching for a phantom. DNA evidence left behind on the scene was matched to DNA left on scenes all over Germany. Hence, the "Phantom" was born. Turns out, the phantom was an employee at the company that produced the cotton swabs that were used to pick up the DNA traces  Anyhow, when the terrorist duo commited suicide and their partner blew up their apartment to destroy all evidence they found the weapons of the cops in the rubble (or maybe in the caravan?). But it doesn't end there. The media is reporting it may not have been a simple case of "kill a cop, get a weapon". Somehow the killed cop and the nazis may be connected through some pub they frequented, that they might have known each other. I haven't followed the case too closely in the last days. All in all the german police and intelligence services look like a bunch of loving amateurs throughout this whole mess. It's ridiculous.
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ZeitGeits posted:Yeah, two of them killed a cop and severly injured her partner and stole their weapons. For the longest time the police was searching for a phantom. DNA evidence left behind on the scene was matched to DNA left on scenes all over Germany. Hence, the "Phantom" was born. Turns out, the phantom was an employee at the company that produced the cotton swabs that were used to pick up the DNA traces And they only realized that when someone asked the obvious question: Why the gently caress would a cold-blooded killer and bank robber start breaking into garden shacks? quote:Anyhow, when the terrorist duo commited suicide and their partner blew up their apartment to destroy all evidence they found the weapons of the cops in the rubble (or maybe in the caravan?). They found the weapon in the caravan, but, yeah. ZEIT Online has a writeup, unfortunately in German only: http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2011-11/neonazi-trio-kiesewetter Apprently, the step father of the murdered policewoman rented out his pub to the woman now charged with conspiracy. She used it to hold meetings in the neo-nazi scene while the cop lived upstairs. Now they are speculating that the father pissed them off somehow and they shot the cop to make a point. Even more facepalm-worthy: Apparently, the trio got its new identities by filling out the correct forms. They had a supporter hand in an application for a passport with a new name and a photo showing one of the men undercover. It was approved. Really shows you why all these fancy new biometric identification measures are really necessary, right?
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Any Germans reading this thread. You have no idea what you have done, the force you have unleashed. News of your booming economy has reaches the shores of Britain via many a political comedian's routine, and now, as we all consider heading for your shores to look forward to subsidised football in the terraces and a good kebab (like in the old days)...We know that yet another series of Auf Wiedersehen Pet will be in the works. 
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The Saurus posted:Any Germans reading this thread. You have no idea what you have done, the force you have unleashed. News of your booming economy has reaches the shores of Britain via many a political comedian's routine, and now, as we all consider heading for your shores to look forward to subsidised football in the terraces and a good kebab (like in the old days)...We know that yet another series of Auf Wiedersehen Pet will be in the works. Don't bother, we will merely be the last to sink. And what the hell is "Auf Wiedersehen Pet"?
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Nov 23, 2011 18:01
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Its funny that "collapsing slower than the rest" is the new "booming". Or maybe depressing, I get the two confused all the time.
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Nov 23, 2011 18:09
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At least the german media will stop to be condescending and smug as gently caress as soon as our economy goes down the shitter (I'm looking at you Spiegel Online). On the other hand a new depression will only mean another cut to purchasing power for the vast majority of working and middle class germans.
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Nov 23, 2011 18:17
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Is there difference in which magazines and periodicals Germans read based on where they live (West vs. East, North vs. South, etc.)?
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Nov 23, 2011 18:39
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Broken Dictionary posted:Is there difference in which magazines and periodicals Germans read based on where they live (West vs. East, North vs. South, etc.)? I'd say there's more of a difference based on socioeconomic status rather than location. The average impression is that Berlin is very liberal and Munich is more conservative (as is the "business" city of Frankfurt) so I'd guess there's general trends in certain directions that way as well.
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Nov 23, 2011 20:55
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One would assume that Neues Deutschland (the old official GDR paper) does better in the East...
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Former defense minister dodges prosecution with charitable donation http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15550956,00.html gently caress Guttenberg and gently caress the public prosecutor's office. And gently caress politicians and nobles always getting off easy. One more example why the Union (CDU/CSU) is full of scum. "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
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