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bich: Dec 18, 2009; by Ozmaugh

The battle between people who like old muscle cars (rednecks) boxy 80s cars (car nerds) and shiny new cars (douchebags) will never end

# ? Nov 30, 2011 19:02

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# ? May 23, 2024 22:39

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Pinky the Cube posted:

As further evidence of my naivety, I resume my anxious hope and waiting for a DLC pack that has a Plymouth Prowler in it. Quality of car unconsidered, I think they look neat and I want one.

On a related note, I saw my first Prowler ever yesterday. Broken down on a highway offramp - the natural habitat of any Chrysler product.

They are a LOT bigger than I thought they were.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 19:06

einTier: Sep 25, 2003; Charming, friendly, and possessed by demons.
Approach with caution.

Pinky the Cube posted:

Being new to the car world and thus relatively shallow in how and why I appreciate cars, I find myself bewildered by the excitement for that Ford Escort. I am excited because y'all are excited, but I can't say I "get it".

We're excited because it shows that the guys at Turn 10 are real car guys. Most people won't understand the inclusion of that car at all. But if you're a fan of cars, you find value in some of the strangest automobiles, particularly those that had inauspicious beginnings but went on to do amazing things when pressed into race duty. And that's exactly what that Escort is.

The whole car pack is exactly the kind of thing a real car guy would have come up with and that's why we love it so much. With the exception of the RX-8 (we already had one, we don't need this one), it's all stuff that's significant and unique.

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As further evidence of my naivety, I resume my anxious hope and waiting for a DLC pack that has a Plymouth Prowler in it. Quality of car unconsidered, I think they look neat and I want one.

No offense, but the Prowler is exactly the kind of car that car guys really don't like. It was literally all show and no go. I'll be the first to admit it looked cool and I applaud Plymouth for taking chances and not building something that looked like every other car on the road. But they did a terrible job on executing the car. Not nearly enough horsepower, too much weight, too unusable, poor handling, and an automatic transmission only.

It doesn't matter though, like someone else said, it has visible suspension and the game engine in Forza 4 can't model that. I understand though, I kept hoping for a Porsche 917 in Forza 3, which never came for the same reasons.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:05

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

bich posted:

The battle between people who like old muscle cars (rednecks) boxy 80s cars (car nerds) and shiny new cars (douchebags) will never end

Hey, gently caress you, car nerds can like muscle cars too. :c00lbert:

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:05

track day bro!: Feb 17, 2005; #essereFerrari; Grimey Drawer

Pinky the Cube posted:

Being new to the car world and thus relatively shallow in how and why I appreciate cars, I find myself bewildered by the excitement for that Ford Escort. I am excited because y'all are excited, but I can't say I "get it".

The european escort is a completely different car to the american one which is some sorta bastard mazda thing.

also heres a song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJn-glDSCDU

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:06

Fortuitous Bumble: Jan 5, 2007

einTier posted:

No offense, but the Prowler is exactly the kind of car that car guys really don't like. It was literally all show and no go. I'll be the first to admit it looked cool and I applaud Plymouth for taking chances and not building something that looked like every other car on the road. But they did a terrible job on executing the car. Not nearly enough horsepower, too much weight, too unusable, poor handling, and an automatic transmission only.

I remember thinking the Prowler looked pretty neat back in the day, but I wikipedia'd it, and maybe it's still fun to drive (I'll never know), but some of the design choices are really strange. Like how can it look small in the photos and have no usable space but still weigh 2800 pounds? And why does something so impractical only come with a 4 speed automatic? The power looks reasonable for something from 12 years ago though and it would still be fun to have in the game.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:48

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

I think they wanted to make a cool open wheeled car that was fun to drive, but noticed what Ariel was doing and said "gently caress it, no way we can top that", and as a compromise built a midlife crisis chick magnet style car. All bark, no bite.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:51

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

The drivetrain was straight out of the LH cars, so it actually has a rear-mounted transaxle, there was no manual to put in it. The Prowler was pure parts-bin engineering.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:52

Pinky the Cube: Jul 21, 2010

einTier posted:

No offense, but the Prowler is exactly the kind of car that car guys really don't like. It was literally all show and no go. I'll be the first to admit it looked cool and I applaud Plymouth for taking chances and not building something that looked like every other car on the road. But they did a terrible job on executing the car. Not nearly enough horsepower, too much weight, too unusable, poor handling, and an automatic transmission only.

No offense taken at all. A buddy at work, a "car guy", said the exact same thing.

I won't pretend that I'm a car guy or know what half this stuff means. I am finding it interesting though, and this game has been a great tool for learning more. It also happens to be a lot of fun.

I hope some of the future car packs include more cars to play with in autovista mode. I've really enjoyed mucking around in there.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 20:56

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

xzzy posted:

I think they wanted to make a cool open wheeled car that was fun to drive, but noticed what Ariel was doing and said "gently caress it, no way we can top that", and as a compromise built a midlife crisis chick magnet style car. All bark, no bite.

There isn't a :lol:

big enough...

The Ariel Atom had exactly jack and poo poo to do with it. The Prowler was meant to evoke old hot rods like the 32 Ford Highboy or Plymouth Shovelnose. They built a car to appeal to the Boyd Coddington crowd as cheaply as they could, and managed to sell people a $60k LH car. Kinda of impressive really.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 21:02

Acky: Sep 30, 2004; <img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

xzzy posted:

I think they wanted to make a cool open wheeled car that was fun to drive, but noticed what Ariel was doing and said "gently caress it, no way we can top that", and as a compromise built a midlife crisis chick magnet style car. All bark, no bite.

Other than it came out 8 years before the Atom, and stopped production 3 years before too.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 21:08

xzzy: Mar 5, 2009

Acky posted:

Other than it came out 8 years before the Atom, and stopped production 3 years before too.

Except both cars were in the concept stage in the mid 90's, years before the Prowler ever actually hit the street.

Not that factual accuracy matters, as I was trying to make a joke that apparently everyone around here is too serious to see.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 21:18

FreelanceSocialist: Nov 19, 2002

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2007-03-01-chip-foose_N.htm

ctrl+f prowler

# ? Nov 30, 2011 22:00

Kenny Rogers: Sep 7, 2007; Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

My take on the Prowler is that it was a loving *brilliant* piece of niche marketing - aimed squarely at the peers of my dad.

Born in '37.
Graduated High School the year James Dean died. Probably drove some 1930's clapped out Dodge.
Spent some time being a car guy in the golden age of the '50's. Maybe built what would be a 'rat rod' today out of an old model T.
Met this girl along the way, and married her in the early to middle 60's. Traded the Rat Rod for maybe a Ford Coupe or Olds Holiday 88.
First kid comes along in '68.
Second one in '70.
1974 brings a third kid, and an AMC Hornet or Chevy Impala station wagon.
In 1984, the station wagon goes away, and now there's a Dodge Caravan in the driveway. His soul is crushed.
In 1992, the youngest child goes off to college.
In 1996, the youngest child graduates college.
In 1997, Dear old Dad has a mid-life crisis, returns to his T-bucket roots, and buys a loving Prowler, because he's officially Too Old For This poo poo.

See? Brilliant.

=)

# ? Nov 30, 2011 22:07

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

And they did it all with parts-bin engineering, that car was pure genius. There's a reason Chrysler had the largest cash reserves or any car company prior to the Daimler-Benz merger. If we hadn't let the Germans literally rob Chrysler blind, rape them, and leave the corpse burning in a ditch we'd probably have never needed to bail them out.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 22:11

captainOrbital: Jan 23, 2003; Wrathchild!
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I liked the Prowler at the time, because Chrysler was being all crazy and releasing concept cars left and right, like the Crossfire, the PT Cruiser and whatnot, starting with the Viper a few years before.

Growing up as a car nerd in the 80's and seeing all these cool concepts like the Banshee and that crazy Olds Aerotech or whatever it was called and the GT90, it was nice to see "concept cars" that didn't just end up as nothing after the autoshow circuit for the year.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 22:38

Kenny Rogers: Sep 7, 2007; Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

Welp.

Tonight I'm pussing out - because I got 2 hours of sleep last night (gently caress loving insomnia. She is a cruel mistress.) and because I'm working on something loving EXCELLENT for next week.

Spec Miata at Infineon tonight.
Rules Here

Also, I'm pulling in people from SA, the Rocky Mountain SCCA Autocross forums (RMSOLO.org), and the word's filtering out to other groups from there by word of mouth.

Starting this week, you'll be able to find the rules du jour at:
http://www.jonathonbarton.net/index.php/tag/forza/

I'm going to try to get ahead of the curve this week, and have both the results updated, and the rules for next week posted within 24 hours.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 22:55

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

Q_res posted:

And they did it all with parts-bin engineering, that car was pure genius. There's a reason Chrysler had the largest cash reserves or any car company prior to the Daimler-Benz merger. If we hadn't let the Germans literally rob Chrysler blind, rape them, and leave the corpse burning in a ditch we'd probably have never needed to bail them out.

This is exactly what happened, by the way, in case anyone didn't know. Speaking of the bailouts, too, this is probably a good time to say that only one car company failed due to SUV sales directly.

Porsche. :laugh:

I wouldn't mind a Prowler in game, though, if you could swap the SRT-4 engine into it, or a Hemi.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 23:10

Q_res: Oct 29, 2005; We're fucking built for this shit!

I want more 80s "performance" cars. Where's my Daytona Turbo Z, Citation X-11 and Olds Calais 4-4-2?

# ? Nov 30, 2011 23:15

einTier: Sep 25, 2003; Charming, friendly, and possessed by demons.
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VikingSkull posted:

This is exactly what happened, by the way, in case anyone didn't know. Speaking of the bailouts, too, this is probably a good time to say that only one car company failed due to SUV sales directly.

Porsche.

How do you figure? The Cayenne is what really loaded up Porsche's profits after their near bankruptcy in the 90's. Even their recent acquisition by Volkswagen was not a result of the Cayenne, but Porsche's hubris in trying to buy up Volkswagen. Had they not reached so high and leveraged themselves so hard to land VW, they wouldn't have been in a place where VW could have bought them.

# ? Nov 30, 2011 23:52

Falken: Jan 26, 2004; Do you feel like a hero yet?

Q_res posted:

I want more 80s "performance" cars. Where's my Daytona Turbo Z, Citation X-11 and Olds Calais 4-4-2?

I've never heard of any of these cars.

Also, the Mk1 Escort is superior to the Mk2. :colbert:

They also picked the wrong Alfa, how about the Sud Sprint Cloverleaf or the SZ

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:00

j3rkstore: Jan 28, 2009; L'esprit d'escalier

Q_res posted:

Citation X-11

An X-11 was my first car, and first wreck :swoon:

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:06

Kenny Rogers: Sep 7, 2007; Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 3) Wednesday Endurance Races!

WHO: YOU!!!
WHEN: Wednesday, 30 November 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier.
WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!! NO, WAIT! TO INFINEON! AND BEYOND!

WHAT?
This week will be a one hour "Showroom Spec Miata" sprint at Laguna Seca. The car modification and setup rules are adapted as closely as possible from the NASA 'Showroom Spec Miata' rulebook. Warmup will be several 5 or 10 minute sessions.

Patience and accuracy count!
Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor's car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory 'Drive-through' penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps.

CAR: 1994 Mazda Miata
PAINT: All cars shall have a 'quickie' custom Design applied consisting of at least the following.
* A clearly visible one or two digit number between 00 and 99 on each door, and the hood. The Car Class (SM) is optional.
* Toyo Tire sponsor decals.
* Mazda and or Mazdaspeed sponsor decals.
* (optional) I'll have a Something Awful 'sponsor sticker' available in my Storefront. It's there now, but I'll post it up as a freebie when I get home after work.

ALLOWED MODIFICATIONS
Car shall use stock parts in all locations EXCEPT:

ENGINE
Exhaust: Stock (OEM) or Street (Mazda Comp Exhaust) allowed
Radiator and Oil Cooling: Stock, Sport, or Race

PLATFORM AND HANDLING
Brakes: Stock or Sport (Stainless brake lines)
Shocks: Race
Springs and Dampers: Race
Anti-Roll Bars:
F: Race
R: Stock
Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race
Weight Reduction: Race

DRIVELINE
Transmission: Race (See gear ratio requirements below)
Clutch: Sport (ACT pressure plate) allowed
Differential: Stock or Race: Final Drive ratio must be set to 4.30:1, Accel and Decel set to 50%.

TIRES AND RIMS
Wheels: Any 15" wheel EXCEPT: Stock Mazda wheels, Buddy Club P1 Racing QF, Dymag 9 Spoke, Holeshot (ALL), Konig After Burner, RS Watanabe Cyclone, TSW Trackstar 4, Volk RE30, Weld Magnum III.
Tires: Race compound in 205/50R15 size.

AERO AND APPEARANCE
Aerodynamic Mods: Forza-branded Front Spoiler allowed.

TUNING
Alignment Limits - Do Not Exceed
F: Camber -3.0*, Toe-in +0.2* (out), Caster +Max*
R: Camber -2.5*, Toe-in -0.2* (in)

Race Transmission Gear Ratio Requirements:
1st: 3.136
2nd: 1.888
3rd: 1.333
4th: 1.000
5th: 0.814
6th: 0.814

Required Springs
F: 700#
R: 300#

ALSO:
Did a little cleaning up on the scoring:

GoonSPEC Current Season 1 Points Standings
Current Points Standings

code:

Points - Driver (Forum Name)
22 - Turb0Snail (SA)
21 - Logue 1 (SA)
17 - JabsTheGoon (SA Jabs)
17 - Boaz McPherson (SA)
16 - Irish Legend (SA)
15 - Crow T Macbot (SA)
14 - Krautastic (RMSOLO Dan Gerdon)
12 - Matybara (RMSOLO Matt )
10 - Fryskate (SA)
 7 - Freelance Socialist (SA)
 5 - I Said Come In! (SA)
 5 - Asmodai_0 (SA Asmodai0)
 5 - Atticus Eishurr (SA Jadebullet)

11/10/10 Results

code:

Entry List        Points
1. Logue 1	  +21
2. Turb0Snail	  +17
3. Krautastic	  +14
4. Matybara	  +12
5. Fryskate	  +10
6. JabsTheGoon	  + 8
7. Crow T Macbot  + 6
8. Asmodai 0	  + 5

11/17/10 Results

code:

Entry List      Points
1. Irish Legend           +16
2. Boaz McPherson         +15 (Incl. +5 for Best Paint)
3. JabsTheGoon DNF         +9
4. Crow T Macbot DNF       +8
5. Freelance Socialist DNF +7
6. I Said Come In! DNF     +5
7. Turb0Snail DNF          +5
8. Atticus Eishurr DNF     +5

Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 00:25 on Dec 1, 2011

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:14

Seizure Meat: Jul 23, 2008; by Smythe

einTier posted:

How do you figure? The Cayenne is what really loaded up Porsche's profits after their near bankruptcy in the 90's. Even their recent acquisition by Volkswagen was not a result of the Cayenne, but Porsche's hubris in trying to buy up Volkswagen. Had they not reached so high and leveraged themselves so hard to land VW, they wouldn't have been in a place where VW could have bought them.

You said it exactly in your post. The Cayenne made them so profit blinded that they thought they could acquire a large automaker in a precarious economic environment based solely on SUV sales in America. It was entirely short sighted and would not have happened without them building an SUV.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:15

Puddin: Apr 9, 2004; Leave it to Brak

Falken posted:

Also, the Mk1 Escort is superior to the Mk2.

Mk1 RS1600 with bubble arches is my dream car.

There was one painted orange getting around my town and it was glorious.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:18

Ether Frenzy: Dec 22, 2006; Nap Ghost

einTier posted:

Oh poo poo, Google Books is the most amazing thing ever.

Mind, blown. Welp, sorry work, gonna be checking 0-60 times on Opel Kadetts from the mid 70's (a blistering 18.9 seconds), reading about build-it-yourself helicopters from 1964 and generally exploring all the other catastrophes in the making that the old Popular Mechanics mag was so fond of for the next 20 work days or so.

And Popular Science goes back to the 1870's!

# ? Dec 1, 2011 00:51

FreelanceSocialist: Nov 19, 2002

Endurance Miata? Yes please.

edit: I have C383 on that setup, Jabs

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Dec 1, 2011

# ? Dec 1, 2011 01:22

Popehoist: Feb 5, 2008; There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!

Why don't you just post a loving setup file on storefront for the spec you want for your endurance race instead of that massive list of specific upgrades?

# ? Dec 1, 2011 01:29

FreelanceSocialist: Nov 19, 2002

Dude. It took all of 5 minutes to spec out. Relax. He'd also have to gift it to each one of us so we can tune the unrestricted bits.

FreelanceSocialist fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Dec 1, 2011

# ? Dec 1, 2011 01:31

burtonos: Aug 17, 2004; ...and the angel did say, "go forth, and lay waste to all who oppose you"

Dice racing anyone?

gt: bentron

burtonos fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Dec 1, 2011

# ? Dec 1, 2011 01:39

Popehoist: Feb 5, 2008; There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!

Yeah we're doing casual races in a public lobby right now. Add GT Popehoist or bentron and get in on this bitch.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 01:43

Boaz MacPhereson: Jul 11, 2006; Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
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Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
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Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

Thought I'd pop in and say that I won't be able to make it this week. Thanks for the paint bonus for 11/17, though

. Have fun.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 02:12

Kenny Rogers: Sep 7, 2007; Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

FreelanceSocialist posted:

Dude. It took all of 5 minutes to spec out. Relax. He'd also have to gift it to each one of us so we can tune the unrestricted bits.

This.

You can spec the car in 5-7 minutes, and spend 2-3 hours squeezing the last bit of performance out of it, if you want.

I'm going to have to post the rules for next week later on tonight - We're movin' on up to a proper series - Not only will you have to tune your setup, you'll have to pick a car from a list first.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 02:45

wolrah: May 8, 2006; what?

Ffffuuuuuu.....

The inevitable happened and the shift paddles on my Microsoft wheel are acting up. The upshift side is making nasty noises when clicked and occasionally it randomly downshifts.

I'm going to take the wheel apart this weekend, hopefully whatever's wrong is fixable.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 03:13

Popehoist: Feb 5, 2008; There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!

How about multi-class racing on tuesday night? around say, 11pm GMT? So we can all get in some racing with all of the new DLC cars. We can alternate between F/E/D/C and C/B/A/S and stuff. It should be pretty fun!

# ? Dec 1, 2011 03:50

TotallyGreen: Jun 30, 2002; REMIND ME AGAIN, HOW
THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED
ONES MOVE.

Popehoist posted:

How about multi-class racing on tuesday night? around say, 11pm GMT? So we can all get in some racing with all of the new DLC cars. We can alternate between F/E/D/C and C/B/A/S and stuff. It should be pretty fun!

How does multiclass racing work? Do the lower ranked cars get an advantage of some sort?

# ? Dec 1, 2011 04:59

ColdPie: Jun 9, 2006

TotallyGreen posted:

How does multiclass racing work? Do the lower ranked cars get an advantage of some sort?

It's just two (or more) races happening on the same course at the same time. The faster cars ~~collide horribly with~~ avoid the slower cars.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 05:08

Popehoist: Feb 5, 2008; There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!

I just suggested multiclass because Goons tend to have wildly varying tastes on what are the most fun classes of cars and while some people might want to drive the C and D class stuff, others might not, etc.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 05:24

GentlemanofLeisure: Aug 27, 2008

Aww man the cars from the December DLC pack showed up in my "Buy Cars" screen and I was like whoa, this is early! Alas, they are not yet available for purchase...

# ? Dec 1, 2011 05:32

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# ? May 23, 2024 22:39

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

GentlemanofLeisure posted:

Aww man the cars from the December DLC pack showed up in my "Buy Cars" screen and I was like whoa, this is early! Alas, they are not yet available for purchase...

They'll probably do what they did last month, have a contest on their Facebook. Sucks that Season Pass users can't get the DLC early, yet people can get it early for free.

# ? Dec 1, 2011 06:15

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