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ComfyPants
Mar 20, 2002

einTier posted:

No offense, but the Prowler is exactly the kind of car that car guys really don't like. It was literally all show and no go. I'll be the first to admit it looked cool and I applaud Plymouth for taking chances and not building something that looked like every other car on the road. But they did a terrible job on executing the car.

I'd seen Prowlers here and there, but never up close until one fateful day at the Auburn-Cord-Duesenberg museum in Auburn, Indiana. I'd been walking through the place for an hour or two, drinking in all the history, just stunned at all of these beautiful old machines. Most of them were ACD's, but they had a few other makes in the collection as well. Then I went into this one room and sitting in the middle of it was a Prowler. And while it looked snazzy on the outside, it looked like absolute poo poo inside. After looking at several decades of ornate early-20th Century craftsmanship, all of that parts-bin late-90's Chrysler plastic was just awful in comparison. I then understood why that car was so maligned.

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Humerus
Jul 7, 2009

Rule of acquisition #111:
Treat people in your debt like family...exploit them.


In highschool, like freshman or sophomore year, this kid got picked up every day in a Prowler. I was pretty jealous back in those days, but now...not so much. Was the Prowler better than the Cherokee I got picked up in? Yeah, maybe, but at least the Cherokee was what it was trying to be.

Also I think there's a Prowler in GT5, but you know...standard model and good luck getting it to show up in the Used Car lot.

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.
What a race...

Less than three minutes into the hour long Enduro, Crow T. Macbot had an unfortunate off that spun him into the dirt and back on to the track...right on the racing line. Two cars missed him, but Freelance Socialist? Not so lucky. One place I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to view a racetrack from is *above*.



Results:
code:
Minimaul AK                              20
Freelance Socialist                      17 (Incl. 5 points for "Gooniest Paint" DUCK TAPE?)
Popehoist                                16
Crow T. Macbot                           15 (Incl. 5 points for "Best Paint")
UnheardWar                               13
Jabs                                     11
Bentron The Altruist DNF (Too Much Milk)  5
Season Standings after 3 Events:
30 Crow T Macbot
28 JabsTheGoon
25 Freelance Socialist
20 Minimaul AK
17 Turb0Snail
16 Irish Legend
16 Popehoist
15 Logue 1
13 UnheardWar
12 Boaz McPherson
10 Krautastic
9 Matybara
8 Fryskate
7 I Said Come In!
5 Asmodai_0
5 Bentron

Duct Tape! Freelance, you sly dog you!

Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Dec 1, 2011

Sunday Punch
Mar 4, 2009

There you are in your home, and the soldiers smash down the door and tell you you're in the middle of World War III. Something's gone wrong with time.

Jabs posted:

What a race...

I hope you have photos and video from this.

Southpaw
Mar 9, 2006

burtonos posted:

Dice racing anyone?

gt: bentron

Why don't you run this at an acceptable time, like, such as, 8pm PST? :smuggo:

Cute as heck
Nov 6, 2011

:h:Cutie Pie Swag~:h:
Thanks to a little more help from a kiwi, Com Truise car is done!







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMjCxV7u8OA&hd=1

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

Sunday Punch posted:

I hope you have photos and video from this.
I put the whole replay in my storefront.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
I bet he is wishing that ctrl Z worked in Forza after that wreck.

Popehoist
Feb 5, 2008

There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!
Watch that replay and try to pinpoint the exact moment I run out of talent.

Flint Ironstag
Apr 2, 2004

Bob Johnson...oh, wait

Jabs posted:

What a race...

Less than three minutes into the hour long Enduro, Crow T. Macbot had an unfortunate off that spun him into the dirt and back on to the track...right on the racing line. Two cars missed him, but Freelance Socialist? Not so lucky. One place I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to view a racetrack from is *above*.


I hearby publicly apologize to Freelance, again. I hit a curb, spun, ended up completely sideways and stopped in the middle of the track. A couple of guys missed by an inch or less, but Freelance couldn't see through all the dust and center punched me head on.

I made one pit stop for repairs, then another for my black flag on lap 2. Meanwhile, Bentron ruined his aero while pushing Freelance (broken engine) into the pits.

Jabs posted:


Results:
code:
Minimaul AK                              20
Freelance Socialist                      17 (Incl. 5 points for "Gooniest Paint" DUCK TAPE?)
Popehoist                                16
Crow T. Macbot                           15 (Incl. 5 points for "Best Paint")
UnheardWar                               13
Jabs                                     11
Bentron The Altruist DNF (Too Much Milk)  5
Season Standings after 3 Events:
30 Crow T Macbot
28 JabsTheGoon
25 Freelance Socialist


Our 3 slowest racers are at the top of the points, and our most inconsistent (me) is #1? Only because our fast guys (Logue, Minimal, Pope) haven't been there for every race, but I do try to keep them in sight when they lap me, to learn where I'm going wrong.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Humerus posted:

Also I think there's a Prowler in GT5, but you know...standard model and good luck getting it to show up in the Used Car lot.

If there's ever a GT6, I hope they copy a lot of Forzas accessibility. That's one of my favorite things about FM4, is being able to drive any car at any time and once I can actually afford to have it in my garage, not having to wait to purchase it. The standard cars really ruined GT5, since they made up so much of the car list.

Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

I said come in! posted:

If there's ever a GT6, I hope they copy a lot of Forzas accessibility. That's one of my favorite things about FM4, is being able to drive any car at any time and once I can actually afford to have it in my garage, not having to wait to purchase it. The standard cars really ruined GT5, since they made up so much of the car list.

By the time there is a GT6, we are going to be on Forza 6 squared. There are definitely things about both games that would make the opposite better, but I got tired of playing the same game(GT) over and over again. The Multiplayer and customization parts of Forza make it the game for me, and I do not see anything changing that in the near or even far future.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Irish Legend posted:

By the time there is a GT6, we are going to be on Forza 6 squared. There are definitely things about both games that would make the opposite better, but I got tired of playing the same game(GT) over and over again. The Multiplayer and customization parts of Forza make it the game for me, and I do not see anything changing that in the near or even far future.

That's true. After playing Forza 4, I don't see myself even caring about GT6 if it ever comes out.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

We'll all be in retirement homes before GT6 is available, so I think a better way to phrase it is "maybe they'll patch this stuff into a GT5 re-release".

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.
GT6 Prologue Preview Version Demo Release Candidate 1

$49,99

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

xzzy posted:

We'll all be in retirement homes before GT6 is available, so I think a better way to phrase it is "maybe they'll patch this stuff into a GT5 re-release".

It's funny you say this because this is actually happening for real. Next year there will be a re-release of the game with all of the updates and DLC up to this point.

TannhauserGate
Nov 25, 2007

by garbage day

I said come in! posted:

If there's ever a GT6, I hope they copy a lot of Forzas accessibility. That's one of my favorite things about FM4, is being able to drive any car at any time and once I can actually afford to have it in my garage, not having to wait to purchase it. The standard cars really ruined GT5, since they made up so much of the car list.

GT5 with spec 2.0 update, and weather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoGpkZpry_w

In case you need a refresher, here's a TVR in Forza4 from a Let's Play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKw7lPGxhPo&t=2m0s

Forza hit the nail on the head with the Top Gear partnership and the Endangered Species trailer. That's what I want from my racing game. GT's MSPaint weather? Not as much.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

TannhauserGate posted:

GT5 with spec 2.0 update, and weather.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoGpkZpry_w

In case you need a refresher, here's a TVR in Forza4 from a Let's Play:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKw7lPGxhPo&t=2m0s

Forza hit the nail on the head with the Top Gear partnership and the Endangered Species trailer. That's what I want from my racing game. GT's MSPaint weather? Not as much.

I've played GT5 pretty extensively, put hundreds of hours into it in fact. But most of that time spent was doing the same few races over and over again, either because I had to, or they were the only viable options for making money. Imagine Forza 4's leveling and experience system, but you get absolutely no rewards for doing it, it takes hundreds of hours more to reach the cap, and leveling up is required to access cars and content, that is GT5 in a nutshell.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

TannhauserGate posted:

Forza hit the nail on the head with the Top Gear partnership and the Endangered Species trailer. That's what I want from my racing game. GT's MSPaint weather? Not as much.

I applaud them for getting weather into the game (though, frankly, I have no idea why anyone would choose to race on a wet track), but it pretty much looks like rear end. What the hell is going on with the side windows.. giant drops of water constantly flickering past?

The rain on the windshield looks kind of cool, though it doesn't behave like water should (not that I'm suggesting the PS3 should be running a fluid simulation for each drop).

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

xzzy posted:

I applaud them for getting weather into the game (though, frankly, I have no idea why anyone would choose to race on a wet track), but it pretty much looks like rear end. What the hell is going on with the side windows.. giant drops of water constantly flickering past?

The rain on the windshield looks kind of cool, though it doesn't behave like water should (not that I'm suggesting the PS3 should be running a fluid simulation for each drop).

All of the weather and dynamic weather too came at a really steep cost to the games performance. It screen tears like mad, and the frame rate drops quite a bit. I would rather have FM4s always 60fps gameplay, over weather and dynamic day/night cycles.

Robawesome
Jul 22, 2005

I said come in! posted:

I've played GT5 pretty extensively, put hundreds of hours into it in fact. But most of that time spent was doing the same few races over and over again, either because I had to, or they were the only viable options for making money. Imagine Forza 4's leveling and experience system, but you get absolutely no rewards for doing it, it takes hundreds of hours more to reach the cap, and leveling up is required to access cars and content, that is GT5 in a nutshell.

Yeah, in comparison to Forza, the GT games aren't fun at all. Do the same Sunday Cup(or whatever) races over and over and over until you can afford a car, then over and over again until you can afford the upgrades. It's just repetitive garbage compared to the "sandbox-tuning" gameplay that Forza offers.

I was a huge GT fan as a kid, put hundreds of hours into GT1-3. Forza has killed any will I had to play that series.

Popehoist
Feb 5, 2008

There you go rubens, all your fault! You went on the wrong side of the car!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RhPinAsH2o

Everyone's favourite series is back!

einTier
Sep 25, 2003

Charming, friendly, and possessed by demons.
Approach with caution.

I said come in! posted:

All of the weather and dynamic weather too came at a really steep cost to the games performance. It screen tears like mad, and the frame rate drops quite a bit. I would rather have FM4s always 60fps gameplay, over weather and dynamic day/night cycles.
That was pretty much why Turn 10 didn't do it. I've posted the article several times, but here it is again and it's a great insight into how they consistently deliver quality products. Basically, at any time the game is in a playable, performant (meaning that the game doesn't lag/tear/etc) state. If they can't implement a feature without causing performance or playability issues, then it doesn't get added. They never add something thinking "we can optimize later".

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002

Flint Ironstag posted:

I hearby publicly apologize to Freelance, again. I hit a curb, spun, ended up completely sideways and stopped in the middle of the track. A couple of guys missed by an inch or less, but Freelance couldn't see through all the dust and center punched me head on.

I made one pit stop for repairs, then another for my black flag on lap 2. Meanwhile, Bentron ruined his aero while pushing Freelance (broken engine) into the pits.

I just saw dust up high, figured you were staying up there, and didn't react fast enough to avoid the hit. No worries - I had a lot of fun that race. Sorry about your aero, Ben - after you got me (slightly) up to speed, there wasn't enough of my front running gear left to make that turn into pit lane :(

At the end of that race, I had just under $50k in damages. For a car that is, what, $15k? :)

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.
We're stepping up our game here a GoonSpec Laboratories!
I think there will be a few issues to hammer out with this, so:
A) I'm posting it as early as I can.
B) I'm planning on running this series for the next several weeks to address issues/questions/misunderstandings, etc.



Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 4) Wednesday GoonSpec Endurance Races!

WHO: YOU!!!
WHEN: Wednesday, 7 December 2011, 3AM GMT (7PM PST/10PM EST), with warmup/practice starting 1 hour earlier.
WHERE: Your Friendly Local XBOX Live Account!!

WHAT?
A RACE THAT WILL LIIIIIVE IN INFAAAAMY!

This week, we step it up a notch and visit the NASA US Touring Car Championship!
Remember: Patience and accuracy count!

Non-incidental contact that results in upsetting a competitor’s car (moves them off their racing line, requires corrective steering input to remain in control, etc.) will require a mandatory ‘Drive-through’ penalty on pit lane. Multiple contacts in the same lap will require multiple drive-throughs on consecutive laps.

CAR:
Pick an eligible car off of this list:
http://www.ustcc.com/pdf_doc/2011_VSS.pdf

Minimum Weight = HP * 11.3
2001 Acura/Honda Integra
Mazdaspeed RX-8
Mini Cooper S
2003 Toyota Celica

Minimum Weight = HP * 11.5
Acura RSX
Honda Prelude SiR

Minimum Weight = HP * 11.7
Chevy Cobalt SS
Dodge SRT-4
Mazdaspeed 3

Minimum Weight = HP * 12.2
BMW E36 M3
Hyundai Genesis Coupe

Minimum Weight = HP * 12.45
Ford Taurus SHO
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO VIII
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X
Subaru Legacy
2003 VW R32

If you'd like to refer to the NASA published rules, they are here:

PAINT:
The car should have an overall appearance of a dedicated-use non-street legal racecar being entered into a relatively high profile race series.
Some samples include:
http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_08_pir/images/ustcc_22.jpg
http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_08_pir/images/ustcc_07.jpg
http://www.ustcc.com/photos/05_sema/images/ustcc_01.jpg
http://blogs.cobbtuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DOBSON.jpg
http://www.ustcc.com/photos/06_06_pir/images/ustcc_22.jpg
etc.
A clearly visible number on all 4 sides of the car.
Manufacturer's Logo
Driver's Name
Nitto Tire
Assorted other sponsor decals, including NASA and/or USTCC.

RESTRICTED MODIFICATIONS
Car shall use ANY part in ANY location EXCEPT:

ENGINE
Turbocharger: Stock
Supercharger: Stock
Intercooler: Stock
Pistons: Stock
Displacement Modification: Stock

PLATFORM AND HANDLING
Chassis Reinforcement and Roll Cage: Race
Weight Reduction: Any1

DRIVELINE
Transmission: Race2
Differential: Any3

TIRES AND RIMS
Wheels: Any 17 inch wheel
Tires:
Race Compound in 225/45-17 size4,

TUNING
1 - Calculate your HP/weight ratio, and adjust Weight Reduction components to meet your power to weight ratio.
2 - Consult the linked PDF for your required transmission and final drive gear ratios.
3 - Center Differentials must remain stock torque split.
4 - 225/40-18 may be used as an alternate in cases where there is no 17″ rim available.

Scoring
5 points for taking the green flag.

10 points for first place.
7 points for second place.
5 points for third place.
4 points for fourth place.
3 points for fifth place.
2 points for sixth place.
1 point for seventh place.

1 bonus point for each car behind you that does not DNF.
5 bonus points for "Best Paint" (realistic/believable/reproduction)
5 bonus points for "best" Paint (whimiscal or goony)
1 bonus point for posting your favorite screenshot from the event.
1-5 discretionary bonus points for posting a 15-30 second YouTube video of your favorite moment from the event.

Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Dec 1, 2011

Pinky the Cube
Jul 21, 2010
I propose that Turn10 considers the following DLC goldmine:

Forza 4 "This is your Life, Pinky the Cube" Speed Pack

1988 Ford F150
The two fuel tanks will be useful on the tracks where you have to work on an oil rig in the North Dakotan tundra.


1988 Plymouth Voyager
Drive carefully or you may lose the sliding door. My parents were endlessly proud that theirs had the silver stripe along the running boards.


1992 Toyota Camry
Mom's car, learned how to drive in it. Boring car but it's still running today. Good option if a mall parking lot endurance track is released.


1992 GMC Sonoma
Hand-me-down from my sister to become my first car. Forza already has a little truck though so the community may complain.


1992 Isuzu Trooper
Hell yeah, company car. I'm not sure the tires of this car ever touched dirt. Good thing though I guess, since didn't the Troopers tip over all the time?


1993 Toyota Celica
Borrowed this from my friend's brother to drive to prom. I still love this car. I'd genuinely be excited if it ever showed up. Long live flip-up headlights.


1999 Hyundai Accent WITH NO OPTIONS WHATSOEVER
Replaced the Sonoma after it died of neglect. Pregnant roller-skate of a car, but it worked. Curious if even Forza could make it fun to drive, though.


Goddamn U-Haul Truck
Moved me cross-country from Virginia to Austin. Just...c'mon, just do it. Put it in the game.


1966 Pontiac GTO
Dad's midlife crisis car. I was pleasantly surprised by the '65 already in the game, but it'd be cool if this one was in there too.


2005 Subaru Baja Turbo
There is already an El Camino and a bunch of Legacy's in the game, just mash them together to give me my current car. That's how development works, right? It'd be a great option for any future tracks requiring the transport of a small table from one end to the other.


Who wouldn't want to pay $7 for this?

Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

Jabs posted:

Come one, come all to the first of (N >= 4) Wednesday GoonSpec Endurance Races!

Count me in! Going with the RX8, only because I own one and I will accept the challenge of making it competitive, and I lay claim to 31. Also im guessing just general tuning for the weekend as we dont have a track listed yet, dont know if that omission was intentional or not.

See everyone there!

PopeOnARope
Jul 23, 2007

Hey! Quit touching my junk!

Pinky the Cube posted:

I propose that Turn10 considers the following DLC goldmine:

Technically you already have the Sonoma. Just deturbo the Syclone.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

They really do need a Top Gear car pack, which includes the Reliant Robin, some random motorhome (sorry, caravan), a Mercedes Sprinter, and a school bus.

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

xzzy posted:

They really do need a Top Gear car pack, which includes the Reliant Robin, some random motorhome (sorry, caravan), a Mercedes Sprinter, and a school bus.

There was another car they got hatemail for ragging on. Morris?

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

Yeah, they've taken some flak for trashing on the Morris Marina.

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
So how do you go about getting videos onto Youtube?

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

FreelanceSocialist posted:

So how do you go about getting videos onto Youtube?

You can upload one replay at a time (30 seconds max) to your Forzamotorsport.net account, download it from there, and then upload to Youtube.

Flint Ironstag
Apr 2, 2004

Bob Johnson...oh, wait

Jabs posted:

We're stepping up our game here a GoonSpec Laboratories!


My sister has a Mini and my brother in law has a Mazdaspeed 3, so I flipped a coin.

The gods of chance have determined that I will use the Mini, staying w/ #73.

TannhauserGate
Nov 25, 2007

by garbage day

I said come in! posted:

You can upload one replay at a time (30 seconds max) to your Forzamotorsport.net account, download it from there, and then upload to Youtube.

This, and Windows Movie Maker has a YouTube button. It works.

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

Day 12045 Ht10hands 180lbs
No Name
No lumps No Bumps Full life Clean
Two good eyes No Busted Limbs
Piss OK Genitals intact
Multiple scars Heals fast
O NEGATIVE HI OCTANE
UNIVERSAL DONOR
Lone Road Warrior Rundown
on the Powder Lakes V8
No guzzoline No supplies
ISOLATE PSYCHOTIC
Keep muzzled...

Jabs posted:

YAAAY

Yay NASA love! I'll definitely try to make it next week. Hopefully I can get my headset working too.

speedtek
Nov 26, 2004

Let's make it out, baby.

Jabs posted:

awesomeness

Arrghhhh drat you 2nd shift for existing and consuming my life. All your races sound like so much fun :(

nogic
Jul 6, 2002
I was looking at using the Genesis for the NASA spec race, but even at stock it doesn't meet the power/weight limitations? In Forza the weight is listed as 3549 lbs., and 306 hp. That means it needs to be 306 * 12.2 = 3733.2 lbs. Is there any way to add weight or cut power aside from upgrading parts? Or is that car just not going to be usable?

edit:
VVVVVVVV that's too funny. In the NASA rules they say it includes driver weight, so for the Genesis you could feasibly have someone who is 184 lbs. be driving. But in the BMW M3, there's no way, it's 3219 lbs. stock vs. 3916 lbs. needed (321 hp). You'd need three extra passengers at that rate.

nogic fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Dec 1, 2011

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
Jabs, can you double-check your Power-to-Weight methodology? The Genesis Coupe I am trying to tune cannot meet the 12.2 ratio. That would mean at 306hp, my minimum weight would be over 3700 pounds. What am I supposed to do, put a Datsun in the trunk?

edit: holy gently caress nogic give me my goddamn brain back - I forgot to refresh the thread and am doing the same drat thing

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Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

xzzy posted:

They really do need a Top Gear car pack, which includes the Reliant Robin, some random motorhome (sorry, caravan), a Mercedes Sprinter, and a school bus.
don't forget the Dacia Sandero!

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