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It looks like Peer Steinbrück is basically channeling him at this point, so I'd risk voting for Steinbrück if he were to run for office. It's not like there are a lot of other great candidates to chose from, anyway.
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hankor posted:Schmidt is pretty much the most amazing person to ever go into politics even if I hate his wife with a passion. I shudder to think what would happen if Merkel or Schröder should have to manage a situation like the fall of 1977. Also, you hated his wife. Past tense.
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az posted:Interrupting Guttenberg chat to say that you shan't read the spiegel online or otherwise. Bad journalism is bad. Could you explain this non-german goon what's so bad with dem Spiegel?
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Hip Flask posted:Could you explain this non-german goon what's so bad with dem Spiegel? "Der Spiegel" as a weekly print magazine is bearable. "Spiegel Online" is a bad excuse for people who feel themselves superior to people reading the "BILD" but still want their dosis of scandal. Spiegel Online is badly written, even more badly researched and has a strong spin to it - not necessarily to the left or to the right, but according to what will get them the most comments. I would classify them as a Troll-Blog disguising as a newspaper.
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Einbauschrank posted:[...] Spiegel Online [..] has a strong spin to it - not necessarily to the left or to the right, but according to what will get them the most comments. [...] Exactly. If you have followed the coverage of the Euro crisis you might have noticed it's not exactly clear what SPON's opinion is on the whole debacle. That's because they pretty much have all of them, sometimes even on the same day. I don't think they try to be neutral, mind you. Instead they post as many populist pieces as they possibly can in order to garner the most attention.
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ZeitGeits posted:Exactly. If you have followed the coverage of the Euro crisis you might have noticed it's not exactly clear what SPON's opinion is on the whole debacle. That's because they pretty much have all of them, sometimes even on the same day. I don't think they try to be neutral, mind you. Instead they post as many populist pieces as they possibly can in order to garner the most attention. The ZEIT does much the same, but at least calls them Editorials and puts them side by side. The comment section on both sites are about equally bad, though.
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so which german publications should i read?
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Hip Flask posted:so which german publications should i read? Arguably the best news source for educated upstanding intellectuals is "Die Zeit". However just about every German news source with the exception of like Bild,FAZ or Süddeutsche Zeitung is still much better than what is available in North America.
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DerDestroyer posted:Arguably the best news source for educated upstanding intellectuals is "Die Zeit". However just about every German news source with the exception of like Bild,FAZ or Süddeutsche Zeitung is still much better than what is available in North America. How are the FAZ and the SZ anything but good newspapers? You might not agree with the editorials but besides that I can't think of anything bad about them.
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hankor posted:How are the FAZ and the SZ anything but good newspapers? You might not agree with the editorials but besides that I can't think of anything bad about them. You got me there. But yeah overall I've found German news services to be way way way better than anything I've seen in North America. Hell just the way they handle the typeface and the paper itself and how the text is clearly organized is very nice.
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Hip Flask posted:so which german publications should i read? For a quick overview of what's in the news here https://www.tagesschau.de is quite nice.
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hankor posted:How are the FAZ and the SZ anything but good newspapers? You might not agree with the editorials but besides that I can't think of anything bad about them. The FAZ made my head spin the last time I read it with its smug conservative ideals and pseudo intellectual bullshit. Has been a long time since I read it however.
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DerDestroyer posted:You got me there. But yeah overall I've found German news services to be way way way better than anything I've seen in North America. Hell just the way they handle the typeface and the paper itself and how the text is clearly organized is very nice. "The grass is always greener on the other side". I haven't found a German paper that's comparable to the New York Times, but to each their own.
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Back in the 90s I had the impression that "Der Spiegel" was seen as some sort of bible for current affairs among germans. I'm using "bible" because there was almost an unquestioned reverence of its agenda setting and news prioritization. Is this still the case?
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Hip Flask posted:so which german publications should i read? Comedy option: http://www.bildblog.de/
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ArchangeI posted:The ZEIT does much the same, but at least calls them Editorials and puts them side by side. The comment section on both sites are about equally bad, though. The ZEIT left a rather unfortunate impression on me with their covering of the state debt crisis. They blatantly promote Euro Bonds, which is fine by me, if they do it on their spare time in their blogs. I want to be informed about matters that are not my expertise rather than to be manipulated into supporting the journalist's opinion. Edit: Answer to Hip Flask Hip Flask posted:so which german publications should i read? The FAZ offers to my opinion the best blend of all big papers, but I am biased as I live in the Rhein-Main area. Main exception: They have a noticeable Christian slant on embryonic use for research etc. The Süddeutsche is more green-liberal. I don't read it because I don't live in the South and don't bother about news from Munich. The ZEIT is petty much the same as the SZ in their green-liberal stance and is more or less the house paper of the SPD intellectual wing, Helmut Schmidt is a co-publisher and it shows. The FAS (the sunday journal of the FAZ) is less filled with Weltschmerz than the ZEIT and makes for a more enjoyable read to my opinion. You can pick according to your political taste from any of these newspaper without doing anything wrong. For the more courageous: If you want a decidedly left paper, I would recommend the "taz" if you feel a bit more hipster or the Frankfurter Rundschau if you prefer old-fashioned leftism. On the right fringe of the acceptable you might find the Junge Freiheit, which is full with nationalists but also the paper of choice for many eccentrics who are shunned by the mainstream media and not necessarily right-wing themselves. Einbauschrank fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Dec 6, 2011 |
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midnightclimax posted:Back in the 90s I had the impression that "Der Spiegel" was seen as some sort of bible for current affairs among germans. While it's probably not seen as the epitome of german journalism it's still pretty influential. They cover a wide range of topics in relatively good depth with pretty good exclusive sources. You'll hardly find a single waiting room that doesn't at least have a current Spiegel. Their online version receives mixed appreciation, while they are pretty fast and cover anything that could even be remotely interesting to someone, the writing itself is of a much poorer quality and some of the editorials will make you cry. As with any form of news outlet the comment section and forum are full of assholes.
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General: Süddeutsche/Faz combo plus local paper Economic: Wirtschaftswoche and ökonomenstimme Net: Gulli Comedy option: Fefe I get ManagerMagazin for free and it is surprisingly passable, don't know too much about the online version but it seems alright.
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hankor posted:While it's probably not seen as the epitome of german journalism it's still pretty influential. They cover a wide range of topics in relatively good depth with pretty good exclusive sources. You'll hardly find a single waiting room that doesn't at least have a current Spiegel. Not waiting room material, but what about konkret? The few times I picked it up, I thought the topics were interesting and probably not featured in any of the bigger magazines. But that Gremliza dude is definitely one smug condescending bastard.
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Basically the best paper is the paper from the region you live in  .
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^^^I think the people that have to rely on the "Münsteraner Stadtanzeiger" or the "Rostocker Rundschau" will find it rather lacking in the international news section.  midnightclimax posted:Konkret I've seen about 5 Konkret magazines in my life and have read two of them so I really can't comment on it. But it's existence shows what I like about german publications, they don't try to claim neutrality, usually they are upfront about their bias. While this can lead to an echo-chamber effect, every remotely sane world-view is represented in one or more major publications. I think the only paper that claims to be completely unbiased is the "Bild". I find it rather interesting that the lower class seems to be the only group that is targeted in that way, on the other hand they also use nationalist and fringe-fascist claims and promotions so it's better not to think about it. hankor fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Dec 7, 2011 |
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hankor posted:^^^I think the people that have to rely on the "Münsteraner Stadtanzeiger" or the "Rostocker Rundschau" will find it rather lacking in the international news section. Hamburger Abendblatt is larger and not bad.
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There is no Münsteraner Stadtanzeiger =-(
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That's what I get for making an offhand joke.
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Did somebody say konkret? Konkret Kongreß 1993, deluded poetry and hardcore MG-communist Karl Held railing against it. Amongst others, Sarah Wagenknecht on the panel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwItwS2bG2s part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GHARtSbGRw part 2
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KingaSlipek posted:There is no Rostocker Rundschau =-( It would make for a nice alliteration title, though. And the Osteseezeitung or the Norddeutsche Neuste Nachrichten are not exactly known for their indepth reporting on international issues, either.
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Serendipitaet posted:Did somebody say konkret? Wow, what a lot of fun! Not sure it made me any smarter though. Must've been right after Solingen, otherwise I don't know what Held is referring to when he says "foreigners get burned alive every day". In short, it's just a bunch of primadonnas getting huffy at each other. Also, Sarah, why u no speak up?!
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ArchangeI posted:Norddeutsche Neuste Nachrichten This is a thing of beauty.  E: Thinking about it, it would be perfect if it were "Neueste" so that is has 3 syllables in each word. hankor fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Dec 8, 2011 |
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ArchangeI posted:It would make for a nice alliteration title, though. And the Osteseezeitung or the Norddeutsche Neuste Nachrichten are not exactly known for their indepth reporting on international issues, either. That's what I get for making an offhand joke.! (Are you from there or what? Besides, NNN is already the perfect alliteration)
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hankor posted:E: Thinking about it, it would be perfect if it were "Neueste" so that is has 3 syllables in each word. It is. Really it's just the Rostock edition of the more generically named Schweriner Volkszeitung, though.
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http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/home/10808950,10808950.html :is an alright daily newspaper. It may not, strictly speaking, be the best, but it is from Berlin and by that alone has the edge over provincial competition. http://jungle-world.com/ : weekly leftist newspaper, varies in quality but is mostly worth reading and ideologically correct.
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midnightclimax posted:Wow, what a lot of fun! Not sure it made me any smarter though. Must've been right after Solingen, otherwise I don't know what Held is referring to when he says "foreigners get burned alive every day". In short, it's just a bunch of primadonnas getting huffy at each other. Also, Sarah, why u no speak up?! Some years back that video was the height of comedy for my left-leaning friends and me. You just don't get that kind of mad rage and indignation at any other kind of event than a leftist convention. But yes, there were quite a few incidents like Solingen from 1990 to 1993: Hoyerswerda, Mölln, Rostock-Lichtenhagen. This blog post has some more of Held's speech and reading it makes it sound that much more reasonable: http://normalzustandrot.blogsport.de/2010/11/04/neue-ausschnitte-vom-konkret-kongress-held-vs-antideutsche-dichter/ His choice of words might be provocative, but he has a point in saying that these actions were not a result of Hitler but of the reality of a capitalist, democratic Germany.
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Einbauschrank posted:If you want a decidedly left paper, I would recommend the "taz" if you feel a bit more hipster The 'taz' did this recently:  Caption Of The Year  Oh and if you're living in Bavaria and are interested in politics and sports from there, you might want to pick up the 'Passauer Neue Presse' (pnp.de). A very underrated paper in my opinion. If you keep an eye open, you will see how often other papers quote the PNP, especially if it's related to the CSU or local politics.
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ephex posted:
Hadn't seen that yet, bloody brilliant.
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ephex posted:The 'taz' did this recently:
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OK, now I've learned which newspapers to read. Next challenge: Any good/interesting/funny/enlightening german podcasts? I've lived in Germany and know the language, so I'm not looking for any podcasts teaching German, which is all I've managed to find. I guess I'm kinda looking for the German equivalent to WTF with Marc Maron, if something like that could exist.
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