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Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

Psycho Society posted:

We're using a weight to hp ratio of 9.55 on the rx8 now.


So you should update your car if you haven't yet.

I will double check when I get home, but I have no power adders and weigh 3100lbs right now. So I should be good. Is my Pi vastly different than what you all are coming up with?

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LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!

I don't know why I didn't think to sign up to this thread earlier when the game came out, but now I'm reporting for duty. :patriot: Added my name to the spreadsheet and hoping to add/find some fellow Forza goons. Already part of a club that I don't really want to leave, and not terribly interested in Rivals mode so much anymore, so I'll probably just start adding folks at random who tend to have weekday evenings/Sunday evenings free as I scroll through the spreadsheet. I play with the MS wheel and am not too shabby on my own lapping or against the AI, but I tend to rely on the braking line and have little experience vs. real people, so I tend to bump folks on the corners if they brake earlier than I do. (especially since I prefer lightweight cars with good brakes)

ninja edit: #forzagoons on synIRC? I'm there.

Fortuitous Bumble
Jan 5, 2007

Irish Legend posted:

I will double check when I get home, but I have no power adders and weigh 3100lbs right now. So I should be good. Is my Pi vastly different than what you all are coming up with?

When I set up an RSX it came out around 550ish. I tried messing around with the Evo X with the same restrictions and the PI was around the same, maybe slightly higher. It sounds like you still have the stock power and weight configuration though, I believe the way this is set up you should have some room to add power or reduce weight a great deal.

My tuned RSX is kind of terrifying to drive. I didn't realize it was even possible to turn a FWD car into a barely controllable deathtrap. I think something's a bit off though, it's sliding out of control any time I dare to hit the brakes while I'm not going in a straight line.

Fortuitous Bumble fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 6, 2011

TannhauserGate
Nov 25, 2007

by garbage day

I said come in! posted:

I'm disappointed that I can't upgrade the Suzuki Monster to 998 or close. That doesn't seem to make it very competitive with the other R1's.

The lack of upgrades relegates the Monster to GT-esque one-offness. It starts out just over 900, and only has brakes and tires, taking it nowhere close to 998. It's a real waste of a car.

The Raptor can be modded with baja rally style tire in the trunk and floodlights up front. It looks way more badass than Forza actually has tracks for, unfortunately.

The Escort might be the star of the show. Freaking tape over the headlights. it just screams amateur racing league.

Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

Fortuitous Bumble posted:

When I set up an RSX it came out around 550ish. I tried messing around with the Evo X with the same restrictions and the PI was around the same, maybe slightly higher. It sounds like you still have the stock power and weight configuration though, I believe the way this is set up you should have some room to add power or reduce weight a great deal.

My tuned RSX is kind of terrifying to drive. I didn't realize it was even possible to turn a FWD car into a barely controllable deathtrap. I think something's a bit off though, it's sliding out of control any time I dare to hit the brakes while I'm not going in a straight line.

Ya so I guess I read through it way too quickly and have a lot of room left... So ill change it and see how crazy it feels. Ya for more tuning. Plus I may clean up my design a little tonight, although it is so tedious it drives me crazy.

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

Weird, the escort has a glitch where if you flip it you can't right it :(

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.

A5H posted:

Weird, the escort has a glitch where if you flip it you can't right it :(

Insanely fun to drive though, definitely my favorite in this pack and a perfect C/B class car.

TravBot
Oct 10, 2004

If we can hit that bullseye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards Checkmate
Request sent in to AUGR because, why not?

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

GhostDog posted:

Insanely fun to drive though, definitely my favorite in this pack and a perfect C/B class car.

Drifts well too, just like real life!

ANAmal.net
Mar 2, 2002


100% digital native web developer

A5H posted:

Weird, the escort has a glitch where if you flip it you can't right it :(

Are you using simulation damage? If so, that's not a glitch, that's how sim damage works now (it owns).

Bape Culture
Sep 13, 2006

ANAmal.net posted:

Are you using simulation damage? If so, that's not a glitch, that's how sim damage works now (it owns).

No idea? I think so, but everything else lets me flip it back. The escort never stops moving so you can't.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.




Thanks. Turns out I was already on it.

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.

ANAmal.net posted:

Are you using simulation damage? If so, that's not a glitch, that's how sim damage works now (it owns).

I've been using sim damage since the beginning, and I could always flip back :confused:

I put the Escort on its side on Maple Valley and it just kept slowly sliding along.

ANAmal.net
Mar 2, 2002


100% digital native web developer

GhostDog posted:

I've been using sim damage since the beginning, and I could always flip back :confused:

I've flipped over in a number of GTCC races with sim damage on, and always had to wait for a tow. So I dunno what's going on there.

GhostDog posted:

I put the Escort on its side on Maple Valley and it just kept slowly sliding along.

A5H posted:

No idea? I think so, but everything else lets me flip it back. The escort never stops moving so you can't.

Definitely a bug then, but that owns.

EDIT: There were similar problems with the DLC cars in Forza 3. I remember trying to bump an out-of-gas "DLC Car" generic black sedan off of the racing line once, and even plowing into the sumbitch at 80 all I did was wreck my car without his moving an inch. Clearly Turn 10's QA department isn't malicious enough.

ANAmal.net fucked around with this message at 00:26 on Dec 7, 2011

TannhauserGate
Nov 25, 2007

by garbage day
The way the game works, sim damage should not let you roll over ever. Limited and cosmetic have magic flip mode on.

Lediur
Jul 16, 2007
The alternative to anything is nothing.
I'm starting to regret not jumping on the season pass before the November DLC came out.

Flesh Croissant
Apr 23, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Why is the RX8 in a class for front wheel drive vehicles? Also if it matters, most racing organizations m ultiply the displacement of the RX cars by 3 (from 1.3 to 3.9) when classifying them for performance. It really should be racing against the m3s and hyundai genesis.

Flesh Croissant fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 7, 2011

Rickets
Jul 21, 2006

Them's my dancin' knees!

Lediur posted:

I'm starting to regret not jumping on the season pass before the November DLC came out.

Can you not just buy it now? I just picked up the season pass last week and the November DLC showed up as free.


Also I applied to AUGR as RopeyRope. Never seem to be any LLJK peeps on when I'm on :(

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

mattdizzleZ28 posted:

Why is the RX8 in a class for front wheel drive vehicles? Also if it matters, most racing organizations m ultiply the displacement of the RX cars by 3 (from 1.3 to 3.9) when classifying them for performance. It really should be racing against the m3s and hyundai genesis.

Actual USTCC Rules posted:

A base minimum weight must be declared based on the following formula and the horsepower declared in 6.12.2. The minimum weight is calculated using the following formula:
FWD: 11.5 lbs/ stated hp
RWD: 12.0 lbs/ stated hp
AWD: 12.25 lbs/stated hp
1. Turbo or Supercharged vehicles will multiply their current displacement by 1.40 to calculate their effective displacement before applying steps 2-4.
2. Engines 1.9 liters or smaller subtract 0.2 lbs/hp to the above ratio.
3. Engines 2.5 liters or larger add 0.2 lbs/hp to the above ratio.
4. All calculated weights are then rounded down to the nearest 5.0 lbs.
We can't use those numbers exactly, because USTCC uses Wheel HP, and Forza reports Crank /Brake HP. It breaks some of the cars (they're underweight even with only Rollcage + Tires/wheels)

The modified rules account for guesstimated drivetrain losses:

GoonSpecUSTCC posted:

The minimum weight is calculated using the following formula:
FWD: 9.75 lbs/ stated hp (~15% drivetrain loss)
RWD: 10.0 lbs/ stated hp (~20% drivetrain loss)
AWD: 9.2 lbs/stated hp (~25% drivetrain loss)
1. Turbo or Supercharged vehicles will multiply their current displacement by 1.40 to calculate their effective displacement before applying steps 2-4.
2. Engines 1.9 liters or smaller subtract 0.2 lbs/hp to the above ratio.
3. Engines 2.5 liters or larger add 0.2 lbs/hp to the above ratio.
4. All calculated weights are then rounded down to the nearest 5.0 lbs.
And you're right...the RX8 should be 9.8x, not 9.55x. (RWD 10.0 minus 0.2 for the 1.3 liter engine)

This is why I shouldn't do this stuff at 4:30 in the morning.
Also, this is why I post it up, to get more eyes on it.

I updated the USTCC page. Thanks!

Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Dec 7, 2011

The Science Goy
Mar 27, 2007

Where did you learn to drive?
...and you say GTCC is spergy...

Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011
Even with the 9.55 multiplier I only have 324 horsepower and a pi of 517 or something around there. Maybe im doing something wrong, but I am in the 1:14.xxx range for lap times. Maybe thats a better scale? I dont know what the answer is, but im sure as heck no where near 550 pi, unless I try adding weight back in and adding hp.

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.
I've got three cars that are modified, but not necessarily perfect.
One at 543PI / 227 HP / 2169 pounds
One at 579PI / 461 HP / 4406 pounds
One at 532PI / 318 HP / 3244 pounds

All of them run about 3:15ish on the Camino Viejo Extreme track (the one with the switchbacks)

Day Man
Jul 30, 2007

Champion of the Sun!

Master of karate and friendship...
for everyone!


Why don't you guys just bombard the leaders of LLJK and GISH asking then to transfer leadership to someone who is more active?

Fortuitous Bumble
Jan 5, 2007

Irish Legend posted:

Even with the 9.55 multiplier I only have 324 horsepower and a pi of 517 or something around there. Maybe im doing something wrong, but I am in the 1:14.xxx range for lap times. Maybe thats a better scale? I dont know what the answer is, but im sure as heck no where near 550 pi, unless I try adding weight back in and adding hp.

I was getting lap times around 1:16-1:17 when I tried, but I'm pretty bad at this game. I have no clue how accurate PI is when you're adding in a bunch of arbitrary restrictions tho ugh

Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

Jabs posted:

I've got three cars that are modified, but not necessarily perfect.
One at 543PI / 227 HP / 2169 pounds
One at 579PI / 461 HP / 4406 pounds
One at 532PI / 318 HP / 3244 pounds

All of them run about 3:15ish on the Camino Viejo Extreme track (the one with the switchbacks)

So are we doing extreme or full reverse?

Edit: Right now im at 506/314/3102 and im running good enough lap times on both configurations. So ima leave it at that and be done tuning. If there are any other changes ill check with you tomorrow of course.

Irish Legend fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Dec 7, 2011

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Running a solid 1:14:XXX most laps so you should be good Irish.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
I'm terrible at math so I hope my VW R32 is good.

AFewBricksShy
Jun 19, 2003

of a full load.



Sorry about dropping out, but my Xbox crashed and I figured I should hit the sack anyway.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
So my Xbox forced me to update and now, the loving thing can't connect to live so I might be hosed for the race for tomarrow, as well as hosed until I go home for winter break in a week and a half.

Also, the dashboard looks like poo poo now. Thanks a lot Microsoft.


In other news, thank God I got the DLC downloaded before this.

Edit: And by the great Goon Gods, my connection has magically been restored not 5 seconds after posting this. That's the power of bitching and moaning about something beyond your control on a forum.

jadebullet fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Dec 7, 2011

FreelanceSocialist
Nov 19, 2002
I had the same issue after the dashboard upgrade. Couldn't connect for a minute or two.

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Mine was a good hour and a half, with a second update that took forever after the first. Then it wouldn't connect, but now it seems to be fine.

Also, just noticed that Xbox has added a cloud drive server for saving. Gotta say, pretty win.

Shame it didn't come a few days earlier so that goon that had his 360 stolen wouldn't have lost his saves, assuming he would have transferred them over that is. He probably wouldn't.

Kenny Rogers
Sep 7, 2007

Chapter One:
When I first saw Sparky, he reminded me of my favorite comb. He was missing a lot of teeth.

Irish Legend posted:

So are we doing extreme or full reverse?

Edit: Right now im at 506/314/3102 and im running good enough lap times on both configurations. So ima leave it at that and be done tuning. If there are any other changes ill check with you tomorrow of course.
I put the list together while I was at work, and it apparently didn't have all the track configurations, or something. I was hoping for Extreme Reverse, but there is no such beast. Cubivore hit us with a SEAT Cupra on Camino Full Reverse last night, and it was pretty fun, so...Full Reverse is OK by me hosed up.

Full Reverse has two corners that you just absolutely CANNOT make a mistake on (and neither can anyone around you) 48 times (1:15 pace for an hour) in a row, or you're 2/3 lap away from the pit, and your car can be totally broken. That sounds horrible.

I'm open to suggestions on an alternate, or whoever shows up can vote then and there, either way...

Kenny Rogers fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Dec 7, 2011

jadebullet
Mar 25, 2011


MY LIFE FOR YOU!
Maserati 300 is so much fun. I had the scariest launch ever today in a pubbie lobby with it. I was on the ring, 16th position at start. By the time we reached the first bend I was in 2nd.

MaNiAk
Jan 1, 2005

Hi my name is Doxylamine Succinate, I will be serving you tonight
So, I haven't played in a long while, LLJK is self destructing, and I get to drive this pile of poo poo.

Kidding, shits hilarious to drive, its almost like driving a hummer. I really like driving the Suzuki they put in but by default it caps out at 160 but I don't have the time right now to tune it to anything useful for anything other sprint tracks.

ps i need to quit driving the awful cars

PopeOnARope
Jul 23, 2007

Hey! Quit touching my junk!

MaNiAk posted:

So, I haven't played in a long while, LLJK is self destructing, and I get to drive this pile of poo poo.

Kidding, shits hilarious to drive, its almost like driving a hummer. I really like driving the Suzuki they put in but by default it caps out at 160 but I don't have the time right now to tune it to anything useful for anything other sprint tracks.

ps i need to quit driving the awful cars

Yep, I did the exact same thing on Maple Valley earlier. The raptor really loves going on two wheels off of kerbs.

General Probe
Dec 28, 2004
Has this been done before?
Soiled Meat
Kinda of a shame about the clubs thing but at least (hopefully) AUGR will be comprised of the active members of GISH and LLJK. Unfortunately I (GT: AdamH1mself) won't be able to transfer until January since I'm in Germany all month long. This means I'll be missing out on a whole month of Rivals :smith: Anyone care to tell me what they have lined up for December?
Also lol at the loving my club your club drama, I guess we are just a bunch of children. All I want is a club with active membership,

djfooboo
Oct 16, 2004




General Probe posted:

All I want is a club with active membership,

This so much

Falken
Jan 26, 2004

Do you feel like a hero yet?
SAEG is still active. There was alot of SAEG/AUGR racing last night.

Also alot of complaining from me because I couldn't drive fast due to the new wheel settings. I seem to have fixed that though.

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

General Probe posted:

Kinda of a shame about the clubs thing but at least (hopefully) AUGR will be comprised of the active members of GISH and LLJK. Unfortunately I (GT: AdamH1mself) won't be able to transfer until January since I'm in Germany all month long. This means I'll be missing out on a whole month of Rivals :smith: Anyone care to tell me what they have lined up for December?
Also lol at the loving my club your club drama, I guess we are just a bunch of children. All I want is a club with active membership,

What drama? AUGR is where the most active members are. Join it and be happy.

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Irish Legend
Aug 12, 2011

Jabs posted:


I'm open to suggestions on an alternate, or whoever shows up can vote then and there, either way...

I dont mind extreme, but depending on attendance, it's so big it's just going to turn into everyone hot lapping by themselves. The main turn I have problems with, especially with cold tires is the last cresting left hander before the finish line. The two downhill rights I do not really have to many concerns with.

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