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UltimoDragonQuest posted:What's great is that Eric could completely wash his hands of that mess and blame it on Hogan's creative control. He couldn't because Hogan's creative control couldn't change the match from a dark non title match (Hogan's idea) to a TV main event title match (Eric's idea.) I guess he could because he is an idiot, but that would piss off his buddy Hogan.
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MassRayPer posted:He couldn't because Hogan's creative control couldn't change the match from a dark non title match (Hogan's idea) to a TV main event title match (Eric's idea.) I guess he could because he is an idiot, but that would piss off his buddy Hogan. But yeah, he wouldn't criticize Hogan. 
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:I checked Death of WCW earlier and it's Hogan's idea to move the match to TV. That goes against what Meltzer has always reported and what is in his rebuke of Bischoff's book. Hogan wanted to do the dark match and put Goldberg over clean to get credit for the gate in front of the Turner brass. To do it on TV and for the title they had to promise him that he would be the guy who ended Goldberg's streak when it was all said and done. This decision was made by Bischoff as a response to Nitro losing to Raw 5.3 to 4.0. Hogan just wanted to take credit for an already huge gate and to impress the Turner brass, he never had any intention of dropping the title until Bischoff panicked. Hogan didn't have to worry about it being on TV because the Turner brass were all in the building. The idea was they would see him in the last match in front of this record crowd and go "Wow, that Hulk Hogan is something else" while not losing any of his heat on TV. This is all from the December 6th 2006 Observer, but whenever Dave talks about it and in older Observers it is the same story. Normally I'd say trust Dave over Bryan, but in this case Dave was talking to Zane Bresloff every week and Bischoff regularly as well, so he would know. The two main things they called him about were live event poo poo and TV where Bryan never had that level of access. It's no contest. I'd guess Bryan just forgot given what he's said about how insane it was to write that book. MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 7, 2012 |
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Did Dave ever finish reviewing that book?JoshVanValkenburg posted:Oh god the new B & V has that loving song as the intro. Take everything from an earthly plant from a skillet to a frying pan. If there ever was a devil born without any horns it must of been the furniture man
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HulkaMatt posted:Did Dave ever finish reviewing that book? No, he got up to the end of 98 and briefly touches on 99 and the near deal with NBC but never finished 
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It's crazy because he tore that book apart for like 3 or 4 issues.
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HulkaMatt posted:It's crazy because he tore that book apart for like 3 or 4 issues. I like that he does that when ever there is a new release. From memory he did great piece(s) on the History Of Wrestlemania and Rise and Fall of WCW DVDs where he goes through section by section correcting "facts". MassRayPer posted:That goes against what Meltzer has always reported and what is in his rebuke of Bischoff's book. Hogan wanted to do the dark match and put Goldberg over clean to get credit for the gate in front of the Turner brass. To do it on TV and for the title they had to promise him that he would be the guy who ended Goldberg's streak when it was all said and done. This decision was made by Bischoff as a response to Nitro losing to Raw 5.3 to 4.0. First off, does the math work that there was an average 9.3 rating for Wrestling on a monday night at one stage, and now it's at a 3? I presume that a 3 now is higher than a 3 then, but that's still a big audience they have driven away/lost. MassRayPer posted:Normally I'd say trust Dave over Bryan, but in this case Dave was talking to Zane Bresloff every week and Bischoff regularly as well, so he would know. The two main things they called him about were live event poo poo and TV where Bryan never had that level of access. It's no contest. I'd guess Bryan just forgot given what he's said about how insane it was to write that book. Whenever he talks about WCW he says that Bischoff "surrounded himself with smart people" and that "the guy that came up with the ideas in WCW isn't around anymore" was that Zane? If so what did he actually do?
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I don't think the math works out to quite the 9, because there was a LOT of switching back and forth, but I'd guess a 7 or 8, easily.
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LordPants posted:I like that he does that when ever there is a new release. From memory he did great piece(s) on the History Of Wrestlemania and Rise and Fall of WCW DVDs where he goes through section by section correcting "facts". Back in 98 I believe each 1.0 of rating for USA or TNT would mean 900,000 viewers (I may be wrong and it may be lower.) Today it seems to be what... 1.5 million? So the same number of people are watching Raw now as watched in 1998 but the ratio of people watching Raw to the overall cable audience is smaller. At their peak in 1999 and 2000 they were doing 7s on some weeks so overall viewership is down from the peak. As we all know, everyone watching Nitro died in early April of 2001. Zane is one of them. He came up with the Spring Break Out Nitro at the huge night club and a number of other ideas.
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Capsaicin posted:When does the awards issue of the Observer come out? I can't wait to see who wins the coveted "most disgusting promotional tactic" award. Google suggests the awards issue comes out mid to late January every year.
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Capsaicin posted:When does the awards issue of the Observer come out? I can't wait to see who wins the coveted "most disgusting promotional tactic" award. If it's not the Jeff Hardy thing it's the TWITTER HASHTAG TRENDING poo poo.
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Gotta be Jeff Hardy working Victory Road, or that promoter sending Scott Hall out to work, but iirc the award is "Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic by a Major Organization" so TNA has got this one in the bag
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Capsaicin posted:When does the awards issue of the Observer come out? I can't wait to see who wins the coveted "most disgusting promotional tactic" award. Award deadline is January 12 so prob sometime near/in February.
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HulkaMatt posted:Award deadline is January 12 so prob sometime near/in February. Usually the awards issue is 2 weeks after voting is over. And if Perro Aguayo Jr's "final show before chemo" doesn't win then there is no justice.
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I think MRP was saying it was interesting to hear the old WO near the purchase of WCW, was just wondering what would be a good date to start with for that stuff?
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Raeg posted:I think MRP was saying it was interesting to hear the old WO near the purchase of WCW, was just wondering what would be a good date to start with for that stuff? Check out the Bischoff interviews in January and February of 2001 first. After that I think all of the No Guest shows from March of 2001 deal with the death and purchase, with more WCW content the closer you get to the purchase. March 23rd and 27th are obviously vital. You should also check out the January 17th 2001 show because it features an interview with JOHN CENA. I believe that one is from when he was in UPW, and there is an interview in May a few days after he started in OVW.
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If you don't normally listen to Wrestling Weekly you may want to listen to the end of this week's show. Les has a great Luther Lindsay story. It's weird that with all the deaths in wrestling that he doesn't come up more these days as he is one of the few in ring deaths.
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MassRayPer posted:Check out the Bischoff interviews in January and February of 2001 first. After that I think all of the No Guest shows from March of 2001 deal with the death and purchase, with more WCW content the closer you get to the purchase. March 23rd and 27th are obviously vital. I CAN'T BELIEVE THOSE WOMEN POPPED FOR BUFF BAGWELL! 
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MassRayPer posted:If you don't normally listen to Wrestling Weekly you may want to listen to the end of this week's show. Les has a great Luther Lindsay story. It's weird that with all the deaths in wrestling that he doesn't come up more these days as he is one of the few in ring deaths. All y'all should be listening to Wrestling Weekly anyway. The other 2 or 3 guys are pretty forgettable but Les is the man.
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Fauxhawk Express posted:All y'all should be listening to Wrestling Weekly anyway. The other 2 or 3 guys are pretty forgettable but Les is the man. I can't. I tried, but I just can't. That whistling sound he does with his teeth just drives me up the wall and I have to turn it off.
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Return of the Jedi, Lance, RETURN OF THE JEDI
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Isn't Todd Martin just a dude who says what he feels and has no sources? That is pretty good if so to beat Meltzer with all his sources. E: and I know this is only tangentially related to podcasts, but since this is where a lot of observer chat happens anyway, a headline on f4wonline says "ROH star touring with WWE" but I couldn't find anywhere who that star was. Rick fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jan 8, 2012 |
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Rick posted:Isn't Todd Martin just a dude who says what he feels and has no sources? That is pretty good if so to beat Meltzer with all his sources.
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Perigryn posted:It's Antonio Cesaro (Claudio Castignoli). He teamed with McGillicutty against Alex Riley and Mason Ryan at a Raw house show. Are Alex Riley and Mason Ryan the least technically proficient and most generally unsafe tag team of all time ever employed by a major promotion?
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Oatgan posted:Are Alex Riley and Mason Ryan the least technically proficient and most generally unsafe tag team of all time ever employed by a major promotion?
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The most careful beatdowns.
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Oatgan posted:Are Alex Riley and Mason Ryan the least technically proficient and most generally unsafe tag team of all time ever employed by a major promotion? I've heard from a couple people that Alex Riley is actually getting better and working safer, but I haven't watched Superstars in ages so I can't confirm or deny this.
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Rick posted:E: and I know this is only tangentially related to podcasts, but since this is where a lot of observer chat happens anyway, a headline on f4wonline says "ROH star touring with WWE" but I couldn't find anywhere who that star was. Daily updates are literally like three pages of poo poo and then three paragraphs of gold. Just skip all the crap until the very end, that's where all the good stuff is.
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Rick posted:Isn't Todd Martin just a dude who says what he feels and has no sources? That is pretty good if so to beat Meltzer with all his sources.
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:For what it's worth, Mason Ryan reportedly knows about his limited skills and ability. I wasn't trying to be insulting in any way. I love Mason Ryan.
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Dave hated the ending of the TNA PPV so much, he watched the Tokyo Dome show afterward.
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Strenuous Manflurry posted:Dave hated the ending of the TNA PPV so much. he watched the Tokyo Dome show afterward. On a better note, Bull Nakano's retirement ceremony sounds amazing.
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Oatgan posted:Are Alex Riley and Mason Ryan the least technically proficient and most generally unsafe tag team of all time ever employed by a major promotion? Not in a world where Kronik existed, I don't think.
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