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I guess I'm biased by already having an '11. I don't think I care for most of the changes on the '13. The taillights look kinda gimmicky and I also could take or leave the GT500 style nose. I do like the reduction in black plastic lower body cladding.
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oRenj9 posted:New; there are quite a few links a few pages back of brand new GTs going for well under $30k. I think the cheapest in my area was in the $25k range. I've never really looked at the market for them, but yeah I guess you're right. If I were getting a 2011+ at this point it seems like buying new would actually be the best route.
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Number_6 posted:I guess I'm biased by already having an '11. I don't think I care for most of the changes on the '13. The taillights look kinda gimmicky and I also could take or leave the GT500 style nose. I do like the reduction in black plastic lower body cladding. I like the pinched look of the front of the 2011, to me it looks more modern. The 2013 is nice but I think the back looks kinda cheap. It's just too much for me. Not to say that if I were in the market in the next few months I wouldn't be 100% down with it but I'm happy to own the one I have.
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hayden. posted:I've never really looked at the market for them, but yeah I guess you're right. If I were getting a 2011+ at this point it seems like buying new would actually be the best route. Why? What would be wrong with a used 2011?
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HiddenReplaced posted:Why? What would be wrong with a used 2011? They are more expensive than a new 2012 in many cases (or close enough that a new car wins out).
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I don't even understand the logic behind it. In many states you still have to pay sales tax on used cars, even when you buy them from private parties.
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oRenj9 posted:They are more expensive than a new 2012 in many cases (or close enough that a new car wins out). Wow. I'd heard the used car market was lovely, but I didn't realize how lovely.
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This is a cross-post from the new cars thread, but it looks like a turbo Mustang has been confirmed. http://blog.caranddriver.com/ford-c...r+and+Driver%29
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Return of the SVO. It's a good time to like cars.
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oRenj9 posted:This is a cross-post from the new cars thread, but it looks like a turbo Mustang has been confirmed. Ford Australia are about to release the 2.0lt Ecoboost motor in the Falcon, which has the same north/south engine orientation as the Mustang, so makes sense. So far the previews for the Ecoboost Falcon have been pretty favourable.
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IOwnCalculus posted:Return of the SVO. It's a good time to like cars. Yeah this is awesome. I'm curious though, what kind of mileage should we be expecting out of this thing? That said turbo Mustangs are loving sweet.
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I wonder if, when that thing is tweaked up to 400hp or so, if it'll have a very narrow torque peak. I like the idea of a 4, with possibly even more balance than the V6, but if getting more power out of it makes the motor less fun, that'd suck. And it's still gotta be more expensive to buy the Ecoboost and tune it up to GT levels than buying the GT, right? Can't see just a tune getting it to foh hunnert.
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kimbo305 posted:And it's still gotta be more expensive to buy the Ecoboost and tune it up to GT levels than buying the GT, right? Can't see just a tune getting it to foh hunnert. That all depends on the internals. If they build these engines with good parts you are going to see some nutty numbers. The turbo 4banger guys are doing ridiculous stuff with those little Ford engines and they have some of the most garbage intakes, electronic systems, fuel injection, and heads.
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Anyone know how much the ecoboost 4 weighs? I wonder how much lighter it is compared to the NA V6. I doubt it's a huge number, but I'm wondering if it would have an effect. That and I think I read somewhere (correct me if I'm wrong), but isn't the 5.0 getting a bump up to 420 hp in 2013? That would leave a bit more room between an ecoboost V6 and the V8.
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kimbo305 posted:I wonder if, when that thing is tweaked up to 400hp or so, if it'll have a very narrow torque peak. I like the idea of a 4, with possibly even more balance than the V6, but if getting more power out of it makes the motor less fun, that'd suck. Hasn't it been hypothesized for the past couple of years that probably the 2015 GT will be a turboed V6? Maybe then they can add AWD and call it a Mustang GT-ARRRRG  ?
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As Nero Danced posted:Anyone know how much the ecoboost 4 weighs? I wonder how much lighter it is compared to the NA V6. I doubt it's a huge number, but I'm wondering if it would have an effect. Yeah it's getting 420 horsepower. The V6 in the F150 makes like 365 so it's right in the middle of the V6 now and the V8. With 365 horsepower you're talking about a car that's a good tune away from the GT. It's just too close.
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As Nero Danced posted:Anyone know how much the ecoboost 4 weighs? I wonder how much lighter it is compared to the NA V6. I doubt it's a huge number, but I'm wondering if it would have an effect.
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You Am I posted:I don't know how heavy the Mustang V6 is, but Ford reports that the Ecoboost is 60kg lighter than the standard alloy head/cast iron block straight six in the Falcon With the Genesis Coupe, the difference is right around 100 lbs between the V6 and I4t. Judging from these two cars, I suspect that a 50-60kg in the Mustang is close enough to bank on. What's that make the Mustang, around 3300lbs, give or take? That's about the weight of an STI, which moves along just fine with 305HP. kronix posted:Yeah it's getting 420 horsepower. Don't forget pricing as well. Adding the TTV6 would likely result in the GT moving up in price to around 33-35k starting. That would give the sixxer some breathing room at the GT entry price of 29k. Of course, they could just call the TTV6 an SVO and offer it only with the track pack and Recaros for $35k and not offer the premium pack, much like they do with the BOSS vs. GT500. I'm sure that the sixxer probably appeals more to the younger, core motoring crowd than it does the traditional GT buyer, since people like my father would never own a V6 Mustang if there was the option for a V8. Edit: I don't remember where I read this, but I do remember some market research saying that a V8 appealed more to the 35+ crowd and a six appealing more to the under 30 crowd. oRenj9 fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Jan 12, 2012 |
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oRenj9 posted:Edit: I don't remember where I read this, but I do remember some market research saying that a V8 appealed more to the 35+ crowd and a six appealing more to the under 30 crowd. You might have read it here, I heard that from the sales manager at the Ford dealership on I bought my Mustang at on one of my trips to check out how the order was going. I believe it was market research Ford had done before the 2011 Mustang that showed a very sharp cutoff somewhere in the late 20s. The younger generation hears V8 and think's dad's tech, the older generation hears V6 and thinks crap. I think Ford is going to have to try and have it both ways. I personally think we're going to see the Mustang move upmarket anyway.
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I just bit the bullet and bought a fully loaded '12 GT with 4000 miles for $26,500.
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Comrade Flynn posted:I just bit the bullet and bought a fully loaded '12 GT with 4000 miles for $26,500. This is as well and good, but we still need pics.
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Comrade Flynn posted:I just bit the bullet and bought a fully loaded '12 GT with 4000 miles for $26,500. Where, if you don't mind my asking? Also, has anybody here driven a new GT in the snow with proper snow tires, etc? I'm just curious how good the traction control works, etc. Not because I think I'd rely on it, but more because some TC is so terrible it's worse than having nothing at all (like the GTO).
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mungtor posted:Where, if you don't mind my asking? Not the GT, but I've driven the 2011 V6 on snow and ice with proper tires, and it's just fine unless you're a moron with the throttle inputs. It's never taken control away from me when I want it, but it's always there if I have a brain fart. The clearance is obviously an issue depending on what conditions you plan to drive in, but if that's not a problem it's not too difficult to drive in the winter. I didn't even throw any extra weight in the trunk.
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PT6A posted:Not the GT, but I've driven the 2011 V6 on snow and ice with proper tires, and it's just fine unless you're a moron with the throttle inputs. It's never taken control away from me when I want it, but it's always there if I have a brain fart. The clearance is obviously an issue depending on what conditions you plan to drive in, but if that's not a problem it's not too difficult to drive in the winter. I didn't even throw any extra weight in the trunk. My '11 GT has been on the road exactly once in the snow on the Pirelli all seasons and it was surprisingly well behaved. The only problems it's ever has is getting up my iced over driveway. It's certainly no worse than anything else with RWD and I would say it did a lot better than the 335 I drove in the snow. I would put winter tires on it if you plan on doing any amount of regular winter driving though.
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mungtor posted:Where, if you don't mind my asking? Haven't driven in snow, but my Pirelli P Zeros (Brembo Pkg) get noticably less grip any time the temp goes below 50'. It's amazing how much of a difference the temp makes on summer tires. Never owned these tires before my 11 GT. Anyone get really low life on their P Zeros? I went in for my 18,000 mile oil change and had to replace my rear brake pads already. They guy told me my tires were almost shot as well. No more burnouts for me. $ 1,600 for a set of tires is rear end.
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kronix posted:You might have read it here, I heard that from the sales manager at the Ford dealership on I bought my Mustang at on one of my trips to check out how the order was going. I believe it was market research Ford had done before the 2011 Mustang that showed a very sharp cutoff somewhere in the late 20s. The younger generation hears V8 and think's dad's tech, the older generation hears V6 and thinks crap. I think Ford is going to have to try and have it both ways. I have an alternate theory where people under 30 have less money than people over 30.
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That's exactly what I was going to say. The cars were/are in the low to mid 30s which is a bit much for most young car buyers. At least the v8 models. That was what was so great about the new v6 for 11. You get 3/4 the performance for pricing in the mid 20s.
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Radiohead71 posted:That's exactly what I was going to say. The cars were/are in the low to mid 30s which is a bit much for most young car buyers. At least the v8 models. That was what was so great about the new v6 for 11. You get 3/4 the performance for pricing in the mid 20s. The market for new car buyers under age 30 is not big at all; most people buy perhaps one car under the age of 30 because they have comparably miniscule salaries. Speaking in general, I feel fairly confident in saying the V6 models popularity has a lot to do with it being $8,000 less than the GT. As for whether Ford is going to move the GT or the Mustang in general "upmarket," I really doubt that. Moving a car with mass working class popularity (there are a lot of Mustangs on the road, and the vast majority of them aren't the same people buying BMWs) upmarket in the middle of a recession makes no sense at all. I don't see people paying 33K for a base model GT any time soon. The fact that people pay that much for the Boss has a lot to do with rarity and its racing spec. It certainly isn't because people are willing to pay 40K for Mustangs in general. Let's also not forget that the Ecoboost V6 option is a $2000 option on the F150, and the Coyote is a $1000 option.
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Radiohead71 posted:Haven't driven in snow, but my Pirelli P Zeros (Brembo Pkg) get noticably less grip any time the temp goes below 50'. It's amazing how much of a difference the temp makes on summer tires. Never owned these tires before my 11 GT. Why would you expect summer tires to last you 18,000 miles? P-zeros are only slightly better than hankook ventus V12s, no reason to spend $1600
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Well the Ford guy said they should have lasted 40,000 miles. They are treadware 220, whatever that means. I've never owned a car before with summer tires so I didn't know they wear out faster, OK?
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Radiohead71 posted:Well the Ford guy said they should have lasted 40,000 miles. They are treadware 220, whatever that means. That means that they might last 40,000 miles if you drive like a grandma and then some. "The Ford guy" was probably just talking out his rear end.
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That ford guys handing out dangerous advice. If i knew i was driving a 412hp coupe on summer tires with 40k miles i would be driving it like it was a UPS truck to the nearest tire shop, i imagine the tires would have lost all tread and would expect .1g of lateral grip into the corners (might be an exaggeration, but still). When you have the cash and hankook has mail in rebates then buy hankook ventus V12s all around, the p-zeros are probably already gone if you drive spirited at all. coolskillrex remix fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 14, 2012 |
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frozenphil posted:This is as well and good, but we still need pics. Sorry, was waiting until the deal officially closed.  GT Premium with the Brembos and 3.73s. Also has the Rousch catback. Thinking of ordering this: http://www.stranoparts.com/partdetails.php?PartID=724&CategoryID=225&ModelID=35 but listening for other suspension recommendations.
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Comrade Flynn posted:Sorry, was waiting until the deal officially closed. How about investing that into a driving course to maximize your skills instead of messing up the stock suspension geometry?
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coolskillrex remix posted:That ford guys handing out dangerous advice. Thank you. I checked these out on tirerack and they seem decent. Will consider.
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bowling 4 buttcoins posted:How about investing that into a driving course to maximize your skills instead of messing up the stock suspension geometry? I've done that, and the stock suspension geometry leaves something to be desired.
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bowling 4 buttcoins posted:How about investing that into a driving course to maximize your skills instead of messing up the stock suspension geometry? How about you stop crashing your lovely GTI into things before YOU go messing up your suspension geometry? Comrade Flynn posted:I've done that, and the stock suspension geometry leaves something to be desired. I've been told that the progressive-rate springs are what contribute to the car feeling a lot heavier than it is. Certain people will rage til he's blue in the face about it but I agree with you on needing something to fix the wallowy feel and wheel hop. Lighter wheels might help too.
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Das Volk posted:How about you stop crashing your lovely GTI into things before YOU go messing up your suspension geometry? Oh, that's lovebread? Literally the last person to be giving driving advice to anyone. Das Volk posted:I've been told that the progressive-rate springs are what contribute to the car feeling a lot heavier than it is. Certain people will rage til he's blue in the face about it but I agree with you on needing something to fix the wallowy feel and wheel hop. Lighter wheels might help too. Yeah, supposedly this combo adds quite a bit to the feeling. I do agree that the car is a bit floaty stock, but I think it's quicker than it feels.
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I just got my 2012 V6 (base package everything, kona blue.) Still a fun upgrade from my 2007 Focus ST. Just in time for 2 inches of snow on the side streets in Michigan... Thank God I learned to drive in the winter in a 2 wheel drive truck. Also, now I'm kinda glad I didn't get the performance package with the 19" Summer only tires. The original plan was to get some winter tires and wheels but the temperature fluctuates so oddly in Michigan and I'm way too worried about driving a $600 set of Blizzaks when it's a few degrees too warm out and ruining them.
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